Need help! I am 21, male, Middle Eastern

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Hi.

I am kind of new to these pheromones, so i need some advice. That is why I searched the net, and found this site.
I have already tried Pheroline, but it did not help. It also contains a lot of alcohol, so the scent lasts only for a short time.
Anyway, I am 21, male, Middle Eastern.
My problem is that i met this girl about 5 months ago and she is so sweet and perfect. We met each other on the Internet and talked a lot on MSN before we met. We both liked each other and went out a few times. We laugh at the same thing, share the same interests and there has been a lot of times where she opened up to me, even though she did not know me very well. We even went on vacation to the same country(but not together) and text messaged each other every day on vacation. When we came back we had a last date where we kissed, but after that we began to argue a lot because of something about her past. She tried to convince me for a week that we should be together and that her past did not matter, but it was hard for me to accept her past.
Shortly after our arguments she told me that she did not have any feelings for me after all and that she wants to be my friend. She thought I was controlling, jealous and narrow-minded. Se also told me that she had met this other guy at this party New Year’s Eve and she had not seen him for a while. Then, she sees the guy again at a party shortly after breaking things up with me and she tells me that she still has some feelings for him, but she is not sure. The guy does not even contact her in any way. She even claimed once that she is in love with the guy. But when I ask her if he has done anything for her or been nice to her, the answer is no. It has almost a year since she met him and she still thinks of him. The guy has told her many times that she wants to be with her, but changes his mind every time. But she still thinks of him. I think that she is interested in this guy because he is not interested in her. I think she would lose interest in him if he showed interest, and I think she knows this, but she is not able to admit it. She told me a lot of times that I should forget her and she is not worth it, but I cannot.
So, this girl is very confused and her mood changes A LOT. From week to week. She also changes her mind all the time.
After all this, we went out a few times to see a movie, but she is not convinced that I want to be her friend(which I do not). She is afraid that she will give me the wrong impression if we continue to see each other. I tell her that i want to help her with her misery and that she can count on me whenever she needs me etc.
I wanna win her trust, get out of the friend zone, make her feel attracted to me. I want to show her that I am not controlling, jealous and narrow-minded. What kind of perhomones should I use? I really need help!!!

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Hi Kopo welcome to the forum!

Reading the mens stickies will give you a good idea of the products and what they can do for you.

Instant honesty, instant openness are great products for encouraging conversation while instant shine gives you and those around you a feel good vibe. I think these would be great for you because you need to re-establish trust in my opinion. Instant female magic and Ammunition might also be useful.

There are many possibilities with the products, but they won’t work miracles or repair a damaged and hurting relationship. If this has been dragging on for a year already perhaps it is time for you to move on.

Good luck!

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Hi. Thank you for your reply.

The whole thing has been going on for 5 months. Lately we have been talking on the phone a few times and both today and yesterday we talked. She told me that she thinks we are soulmates. We tell each other a lot of things which is great, and last saturday we talked for more than 3 hours. Hour conversations have always lasted long even before we began arguing. We both enjoy talking to each other and make each other laugh, and I even make her laugh even though I am not trying to. She thinks that it is a shame that we can not be with each other because we seem so right for each other. The only thing missing is feelings.
Right now it is freezing outside in Denmark and because of the dark, cold weather she is very sad and depressed most of the time. But she is also depressed because of the guy that she claims to be in love with. They live at the same dorm, but they do not see each other.
I hope this information helped. If you or anyone else have more suggestions then please reply. I need all the help I can get. I really want this girl.

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Oops, I assumed it had been almost a year when you mentioned New Years eve.

Ammunition and instant openness would be my choice, but I am a woman and haven’t used ammunition. Ammunition is a well reported product that will have her seeing you in a new light. As I said before instant openness encourages fun conversation and is one of my favorite products.

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Hi and welcome to the forum.

Inking is dead on with her advice, but I think there may be something else going on that needs to be addressed: You mentioned that there was something in her past that you had a hard time accepting and that caused a lot of arguing. It seems to me that she may have shared something about herself that she may not have done with many people, and maybe was either embarrassed or ashamed of. At the very least it sound like she made herself vulnerable, and instead of accepting and comforting her, you reacted in a way that made her feel bad.

I think you need to address and overcome that issue before you can ever expect her to trust you and consider progressing toward any kind of initmacy with you.

The Instant products mentioned by Inkling can help her open up, accept and trust that you are being sincere and have let go of whatever it was that was bothering you ---- But, you have to take the first step and let her know that you can accept her and her past, and mean it!

Good luck,

Mark

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So I should use ammunition, instant opennes and what more? Should I use all of the products at the same time? Do you know how long the shipping takes to Denmark?

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So I should use instant opennes, ammunition and what else?
‘‘the art of approaching women’’ by joseph matthews - is it any good? How long will it take for the pheromones to work?

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Kopo, It sounds to me like this girl really liked you, but you stepped on her feelings, and she shut down.

Inkling’s suggestions were great advice, and can definitely give you the boost you are looking for, but you need to overcome the issues that pushed her away first. The quote below tells me that she senses deceit in your saying that you want to be her friend, which will make it all that much harder to win her trust. I think that you are going to have to show her that you really and sincerely want her friendship and realize that it may never go beyond that, before you can truly expect her to fully you, and have a chance at moving things forward.

I don’t mean to sound harsh, but didn’t want to sugarcoat the deeper issues either. Pheromones can definately help in persuading this girl to see you in a different light. But, they cannot magically erase the problems that caused the relationship to falter.

As to how fast they work, the effects are immediate, but also depend on several factors, such as: finding the right dosage and how willing you are to accept the effects and subtle changes that pheromones can instill in yourelf and your behavior.

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Mark, the thing is, she says that she does not have any feelings for me anymore and that she was confused the time we were together. She believes that her feelings for me have always been friendly, but it took a while for her to realise. She says she only wants to be friends, even though I think that deep down inside she feels that we suit each other very well and are alike. She also says that two persons can be too alike - what does she mean ? is that a bad thing that she and I are alike? She is always very confused and I do not know what to do. The other guy, who is not interested in her, is the only ‘‘threat’’ right know. Should I try to convince her that she should forget him even though it might be useless because she says thinks of him all the time, or should I just leave her thinking of him so she will not become interested in other guys who also might be interested in her and thereby only have the other guy as the only ‘‘threat’’ ? I am not sure, but time might be short!
But is ‘‘the art of approaching women’’ by joseph matthews worth reading?
I just saw that ammunition went out of stock. Can I order it somewhere else?

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Kopo,

Ammunition is an Androtics product and I am not aware of anywhere else you can order it.

On the girl front, as I metnioned you did something to really hurt, scare or upset her, and she built a wall around herself. She may have never really felt more than a friendship for you, but from what you said in your first posting, I suspect that she did at one point, or at least felt she did. As to the other guy who reappeared right after your falling out, I suspect that she told you about him more to hurt you (get back) for having hurt her. While it is true that people tend to want what they can’t have, or is at least hard to get, I am having a little trouble wrapping myself around the idea of her being that into him.

What I would do at this point would be to find somebody else, or at least make her believe that you have. I would not act like I wanted anything more than a friendship from her, and would probably tell her something like: It’s to bad we couldn’t have made things work, because we probably could have had something really special. I would also let her know that she’s obviously really hung up on this other guy, and that you know you deserve more than being second choice.

Then I would not pursue her! Let me repaet that: I would not pursue her!, And when you do talk to her, I would’n’t stay on the phone for hours, but would instead either tell her that you can only talk for a minute, or let her think that you have another girl there.

This could backfire on you, but I don’t think you have anything to lose. You need to make here feel that you have moved on, and the loss is hers, before she starts looking at you differently.

Please don’t take offense, but I think you turned into the lost puppy, wussy kind of guy with her, and women do not find that attractive. You also gave her all the power, and she’s not likely to voluntarilly give it back.

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mark, the thing is, she had made her decision about us before she saw the other guy again. She did not tell me about him to get back. She told me that just before she had made the decision about us, she had tried to ask herself if she really felt anything for me. And in the end she found out that she did not. In the week we argued just before things ended she told me several times that she lost feelings for me when I told her my opinion about her past. But you can not lose feelings, can you?
When I ask her about the other guy, she tells me that she does not know why she likes him and thinks of him all the time. He has promised her several times that they were going to be together, but ever time he has changed his mind. He has not even been very nice to her. They do not even share the same interests, unlike I and her. She says that there is an certain chemistry when they are together. But she says she knows me better than the other guy. I think she is interested in him becuase she can not have him. Something tells me that it would never work out between them and the other guy even told her that he could not have a relationship to her when they met new year’s eve and were both drunk (or she was, I know) and they also kissed. She has also told me that she is becomes very easy influenced by others when she is drunk -
would it be a good idea if we both got drunk together AND I used pheromones at the same time? Do you think the pheromone effect would increase ?
She sometimes tend to do some strange things, e.g. last friday she got totally drunk at a party at her dorm and she wrote the other guy asking him how he was. He, of course, was suprised and asked her: ‘‘why?’’ So he does not care about her. And it is not like her to get drunk randomly, especially when her grandfather recently died. But I think she is drinking to drown her misery and get away from her problems. Within the past two weeks she has skipped both school and dancing lessons. She blames the weather. Is this information useful?
She likes to travel and see the world, she loves France and has been there several times. She is also very open-minded, but she tends to keep a distance to me. She does not have so many guy friends except those in her class and her dorm, but she does not really hang out with them. I think I am they only guy friend she is hanging out with right know. Another thing is that in march she met another guy who also lived at her dorm. They dated for a month and then one day he told her that he was admitted to a mental institution, so they broke up. And then she met me in may and we began seeing each other. And she told me that she did not think of the other guy from new year’s eve while she was with me. In the autumn break she went to France to visit some friends and she told me that she had not thought of him the whole week, so there have been times where she does not think of the other guy. She tells me that she feels that she falls for the wrong guys all the time. I think she must have been very confused the past year and that she dated me and the guy from march to get over the guy she met new year’s eve and thinks of all the time. She asked me yesterday, when I had made it clear to her that I wanted to be her friend, if I could help her find out why she is so interested in this guy, now that she was sure I wanted to be friends. Should I help her with this ? Would it not be a good opportunity to influence her now when she so confused and sometimes lonely? E.g. yesterday she left messenger for 5 minutes and she also told me, and then I said I have to go, but she did not see the message. When she came back and saw I had logged of, she asked me why I had left and told me that she missed me and that I should come back on messenger. I called her and told her that I might be online later and I wanted to make the conversation short, but we talked for more than half an hour. At one point I wanted to hang up, but she asked why and wanted me to talk to her because she felt lonely. But I do not think that it would have made her that sad if I had hung up because she felt so lonely that it would not have mattered who had called her at that time.
I do not know if I should tell her that I have moved on. She has no interest in me and she is so caught up i her own misery that she does not even appreciate me. I do not think she would care if I found someone else. She even encouraged me to. She told me that there is not going to happen anything between us and she has reapeated this the last two months, ever since she stopped things between us. Since then she has been trying to avoid me because she thought I wanted more than friendship.

Just to sum up some of the questions asked in the above (but please consider all of the things mentioned):

would it be a good idea if we both got drunk together AND I used pheromones at the same time, when I know that she is easily influenced when she is drunk? Do you think the pheromone effect would increase ?

is it useful info that she skips school and dancing lessons because of the weather?

Should I help her with finding out why she is so interested in the other guy? Would it not be a good opportunity to influence her now when she so confused and sometimes lonely? But I have told her many times that he does not want her and that she should forget him, but she does not know how. It is like she is not able to get down to the root of her problems.

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Kopo, back to here:

You seem so totally and completely hung up on this girl that you are not thinking clearly. You could get her drunk and maybe for a couple of hours or the night have her seeing you differently, but that would wear off and she could very likely hold that against you once she sobered up.

Go to this site and subscribe to the newsletter, David DeAngelo’s Video And Audio Programs, then read every word David D says and apply his techniques. I would also highly recommend getting the Double Your Dating e-book. He also has some other great material, but it may be cost prohibitive for you.

Your post reminds me somewhat of Habibs post: Ladies, a lost gentleman needs your help.. He and I discussed his issue at length too, and he also received ALOT of advise from others as well. Take a look at his post and see if his experience is not somewhat paralleling yours. I also related a story about a girl and a guy that I knew, in which guy liked girl, girl was somewhat interested in guy, guy became a needy, clingy wussy and girl lost interest!

You have to lose the wussy lost puppy personna, and let her see the guy that she initially liked. I would be willing to bet dimes to dollars that if you really think about it, you are not acting like you did when you first met and were dating her!

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I read some of the posts in the link, but in his case the girl IS interested. But almost every time we went out, even after things went wrong, i payed for everything, so maybe i should stop doing that ?
The reason for me getting drunk with her is to become close to her, creating a a different atmosphere. But i should not get drunk with her while wearing pheromones?
When will ammo come into stock again? which pheromones should I order for now? And how much?
What about ‘‘the art of approaching’’ by joseph matthews?

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Kopo, Yes the girl WAS interested! That is the key word - WAS! He became the lost puppy and the girl lost interest. Same with the sotry I told about my friends.

And, paying for everything was a huge mistake. You cannot buy attraction, EVER!

Getting drunk with her to create a different atmosphere would be a huge mistake. She would sober up and the only change that would remain would be her feeling that you did it to take advantage of her.

I don’t know about “the art of approaching women”, by Joseph Matthews - Anybody reading this, feel free to contribute. You really need to subscribe to David D’s newsletter though, and again, I highly recommend the Double Your Dating e-book.

As for the pheromones, Ammo is good for attracting female attention (New Female Attention, you need to straighten your game out before trying for your girl again). I would also recommend Instant Shine for you.

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Hello Kopo

Welcome to the forum. pheromones are used to enhance and influence but they will not create feeling that are not already there. If this girl is dead set on just being friends, if she dosnt have a bit of a attraction to you then pheromones wont change that.

All you can do right now is be a good friend to her without putting pressure for something else. If it was ment to work out it will. I do believe you anwsered your own question though right here…

Yes you can lose feelings that you have for someone especially if you were unsure of those feelings to begin with.

I am not going to tell you how to live your life or what you should do because hell I dont know the exact situation your in but this is what I suggest.

Ammo will be in stock soon. Get some of that and some socials like Instant shine and Instant Honesty.

Back off this girl a bit. Still be friends and hang out but dont pay for her, dont get drunk with her, dont stay on the phone for hours and pretty much say what Mark told you. “Its to bad we couldnt have worked things out” Girls tend to go for the Alpha male, its nothing to do with size or looks its a aura that they give off. The one that says “I am the man and I know exactly what I want and how to get it” This could be why she likes this other guy. These products wont change you but can give you that aura of Alpha male.

Use your products to get out and meet people. Let her see there is more to you then her. She just may take a second look and say hey if I dont do something I will lose him. If she dosnt do that then prehaps she really is not the one for you. You may be surprised yourself while going out and meeting new people YOU may find She is not the one for you.

Also for when your out meeting new people or with her I am going to try to explain how attraction works. Its like a dance…

Let me explain a little to how the “courting dance works” without getting to far into it. (I have a long post about it somewhere) Hope this metaphor dosnt confuse you.

Girls will attract, flirt and pursue to gain your interest then pull back. Then its the guys turn to pursue show interest and pull back and this dance gos on for a while back and forth until finally you both pursue at the same time and Bang it happens. Problem here is your not pulling back your chasing and she is running. Pull back and let her pursue a little. If she dosnt then this dance is not yours.

Tisha

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Is new female attention a pheromone? Should I order to-go bottles ?
Yesterday I talked to the girl and she told me that the other guy is not phsyically attractive, so it seems like she thinks it is fun to chase him. She changes her mind all the time regarding if she wants a boyfriends or not. Maybe it is because she is so confused and sad? I am afraid to lose this girl if I try to back off. I have never met anyone like her.

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Hey Tisha, thanks for stepping by and providing your as usual awesome advice!

Kopo, Do you mean Instant Female Magic? I don’t know of a New Female Attention? If so it is a pheromone, which can help relax women and put them more at ease.

I sent Tisha a PM asking her to step in and give her advice because:

1, She is a women and I thought her perspective would be helpful to you.
2, She always has just the right advice to give.
3, I started feeling like I was banging my head against a wall.

Her definition of how attraction works was right on the money, it’s kind of a 2 step forward 1 step back process.

Women are not attracted me men solely on looks, and in fact looks usually play a very small role in female attraction. How many great looking women have you seen with dufas looking guys? For women attraction is a mental process, based more on personaility and attitude, and about how you make her FEEL Tisha’s statment about women liking the alpha male is not only true, but also probably based on evolution. Think about it, in ancient times, when the female was looking for a mate, she needed one that would be able to protect her from danger and make her feel safe. It’s where the sayings “Survival of the fittest” and “Only the strong survive” came from. It was and still is an instinct to want to propogate our species, and women still seek the alpha male who will be able to protect the family, albeit on an unconscious level. We no longer have to protect our women, and men have lost those primal instincts and many have become pamperers instead of protectors, but evolution and instinct are hard to fight. Humour can also play a huge role. Make them laugh and their heart is yours. But, become a needy, clingy wuss, and they will lose interest almost every time, seeking a better protector and someone to make them FEEL the attraction.

Worse yet, the women that don’t run from wussys are probably very insecure with themselves, or just using the guy. Eventually they either build their self confidence and lose interest, or find another wussy who will do more for them.

You said that you are afraid to lose her if you back off, and there’s your quandry, you don’t have her now and never really did actually have her, but if you don’t back off you will surely lose any possibility of ever having her.

So, there you have it. You can either take the advice of a sharp lady who has given you an excellent description of how women think and how the attraction process works, and the advice of a 45 year old guy who has been in your shoes more times than I care to admit and used to be the ultimate wussy, untill I got tired of being rejected, took the time to figure out what I was doing wrong and reprogrammed myself and my attitude.

Dating and courting is actually a lot more fun and does wonders for self confidence when it’s a 2 way dance, as Tisha put it.

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This is why I asked about New Female Attention. So what you mention in your quotation is not an pheromone?

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I emphasized New Female Attention, to stress that you should get the Ammo and use it to attract attention from other women (New), and not try pushing further with the girl we’ve been talking about.

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So i should order the following: Instant honesty (Instant Honesty – Deep Relational Communication Pheromone – You Won’t Believe Your Ears! - Alpha A314), instant openness (Instant Openness – Ice Breaker Pheromone for Men - Alpha A314), instant shine (Instant Shine Spray — Mood Enhancing Pheromone For Men - Alpha A314), Instant female magic (Instant Female Magic Pheromone For Men – Comfort and Excite Her – Contains Androstadienone - Alpha A314) and Ammunition (AMMO – Sexual Attraction Pheromone Cologne For Men - Alpha A314) ? What about a314 and turn up the heat? Should I buy to-go bottles?