A314, Disturbing News

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I’m really liking rev 32, in stark contrast to rev 31 which was just plain horrible. I think many people feel the same way. With the proceeding news in mind, I sincerely hope we are not somehow back to the prior failed iteration.

Going into more detail, I just encountered a thread on another board wherein some users who recently purchased A314 are reporting that their bottles have not 1 but 2 identifying labels, one of which states “rev 32” and the other, “rev 31”.

This could be a simple mix-up (or just AD using the older rev 31 bottles), however a user who has the aforementioned confusingly labeled bottle is reporting self-effects (anger etc..) from a low dose (1 drop) which is pretty much what I personally experienced from rev 31. Sounds like the good ol rone induced irritation/agitation from rev 31 some users complained of. Of course, results reported by 1 user do not a trend make.

Could AD please clarify the labeling situation? If there are any users who recently purchased A314 (and have a confusingly labeled bottle) could you please leave some feedback?

I was actually going to purchase several bottles but I am in a wait and see mode right now.

Thank you,

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Thanks for asking.

It’s recently come across my desk, and I’m as confused as you.

I haven’t yet seen a photo of this bottle, so I wouldn’t be able to accurately comment on it. I’d appreciate if that user would go ahead and send it along to me, so we can eliminate any mistakes on our end. brian@androtics.com

I checked with our fulfillment team on this the other day, and we don’t have any A314 Rev 31 in stock, whatsoever. There aren’t even bottles in an unlabeled box somewhere. They’ve been long gone. There’s just no way any recent shipments of A314 can possibly be Rev 31.

If anything, it is a labeling mistake. A mention of this was brought to our attention privately a few days ago. We’ve updated our files so similar mistakes can’t happen again, and we ask that whoever has an oddly labeled bottle can send us a snapshot with a clear view of the batch/lot number. I can give much more information to you with those specifics in hand. brian@androtics.com Of course, results reported by 1 user do not a trend make.

Thank you. We appreciate this. I don’t want to ignite a hysteria based on a scattered report here and there.

This, I’m perplexed, and would definitely want to take a look at batch numbering.

I would also like to talk to the user to suss out any other cross contamination issues, application points on skin, application environment, other products used, and so forth. There are a lot of variables involved, and I want to take a balanced look at everything before I draw any conclusions.

Thanks for bringing this up. It gives me an opportunity to identify any weak points and make sure they don’t happen again in the future.

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last fall I was disappointed with the rev 31, find my posts and see what happened. But that’s history I hope.

I purchased some rev32 batched 8/20/13, compared to my rev 29 and could tell no difference.

I subsequently ordered 4 more bottles, one rev32 batched 7/30/13 and 3 rev batched 9/11/13.

I’m assuming that all the rev32 have the exact same ingredients and hope that there is no difference between the batched. Doubt there is unless there is some human error involved.

I have never seen dual stickers on the bottom of the bottle.

I always give any oils a good shake before using. Ever see salad oil settle out into its different constituents in just one day. If there is no shake then you may be getting the lightest molecule that settled on top, what ever that may be.

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My latest A314 bottles have the new-style silver label - simple, similar to the Put/MX labels but no Rev/Version sticker on the bottom. Instead, the Rev is clearly printed on the main label.

I’ve got a feeling this one could be as simple as somebody forgot to check the bottom of the bottles they were using for the new Rev32 and completely missed that they were already stickered-up for Rev31 - After all, just how often do we see someone here who had never noticed the old stickers on the bottom of an A314 bottle before! :open_mouth:

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I would assume that the stickers go on when they are filled? There could be many reasons why. It could be rev31 and they just slapped the new sticker on or they could of forgot to remove the rev31

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I received a bottle like this from a friend, she started a return request and got no reply. Shame really.

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The main difference I see is that it doesn’t die rapidly on the skin like Rev 31 did!

I seriously doubt any consumer product would be labelled individually when filled - More like a load of bottles would be done in one batch, before or after filling, then stored for sale.

And the new labels have all the info in one place, negating the need for a second sticker altogether - I’m still leaning towards someone simply not checking.

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Just had to test my rev 32 out of the office on peeps that don’t know me. Just 3 drops and some io and IH 1 spray. Went to Home Depot and tones of positive hits. Buying some blinds, this ~23 year old blond helping me was very submissive and her voice weak and subdued. Could be bad since that’s what happens when you wear a bad mix. But, a few times when I held eye contact with her , her pupils exploded. Hence major attraction.

Groceries later and women in isle and check out were overly helpful and friendly.

The checkout girl, Indian, bout 23 also over bagged my goods. Double bags for everything that weighed more than 2 kilos, unnecessary since she asked me how many bags I would need, 2 , and she used 4 and charged me for 2. She was very turned on.

Now, I don’t work with any young women so never noticed this with A314. Seems to be more attractive to young and older women even at 3 drops. At work I don’t pay much personal attention to the women though they can be flirty. I just ignore it.

Hence I’m happy with rev32. I have a full bottle of rev29 and it’s very similar , perhaps a tad more aggresive.

Rev 31 had cost me two professional relationships were peeps became defensive and felt I was against them and I lost their trust.

I don’t believe the double posting of labels myself. I checked my records and have ordered over $5000 from AD and never a double label. Also , I feel that the labels would be put on by hand. They are a science and research company, according to Tisha, so why have an automated bottle facility.

And why did that not happen 100 times , double label with A314? Everyone that bought some would write in about it.

FD

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Fish Dude, I have two labels on my bottle. Guarantee it. I was the first to post about it else where I believe.

If that is news to its efficacy I do not know. This is my first double label bottle from any vendor, or on any product for anything I have ever purchased. Weird times indeed.

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Take a pic of it and let them know. AD will take care of it. Back In The day when meo-est at AD was selling for $300 per bottle, I got half a bottle ; leakage; no evidence of that. Took a pic the same day I got it taken care of .
You got some over stamp and may have a freak A314 .

It should be obvious after a weeks use if it’s the real mckoy.

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Here is the thing FD, the person who purchased it opened a return request the day they got it, three weeks ago if I recall correctly. I attempted to post pics here on the forum, but the image file is too large from my phone.

Compared to old A314? Revision 29? It has same self effects, but I do not get the ‘sir’ respect. I can tell it is not as respectful and has a bit of fear added in. It does not have the same attraction properties as older stuff. Young women, old women, multiple nationalities and races.

Is it in my own mind? Maybe. I do not get the same reactions and I can be to blame, but with my bottle saying Revision 31 on the bottom, as well as me noticing a difference, I spoke up. I tried to keep it to myself and not post a thread on here and let the customer service/return system handle it. But after that taking weeks, I had to comment.

Pic taken, ready to send, if my return ticket get’s replied too. I would post here and can email to someone if really desired. But emailing them to Androtic’s when I can’t get the return request answered sounds loopy to me.

I do not want this solved because I am vocal or I post on the forum. I want it taken care of if it is a mistake.

I am more than willing to just keep this bottle, and use it for the purpose I found. I like the self effects, I like the bit of respect I get. But I for one will nor order again, or advise it to others because of this. After my two Rev 31 bottle issues which I ate the cost of (I ordered from the other website, so it is not exactly easy to return) and Rev 32 not being Rev 32, and all three under preforming to the Rev 23 and Rev 29 I purchased second hand for quite the fee to compare, I do not exactly feel compelled to just say I got a third freak bottle of A314 I have ordered. Not when each bottle is different.

I am not full on disgruntled customer. I bought three bottles of MX 353 the moment I heard they came out again. But I do know in this industry it would be easy to just discredit my posts and not sell to me.

That is about all I have to say on this one guys. I appreciate Brian trying to get us to email him about this, but I will wait for my customer return ticket to get replied too, if ever. Pic’s can then be sent. And this can be resolved. I just do not feel I need to post about customer issues on here when I already attempted to resolve it via the normal channel.

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I haven’t heard or seen anything of the sort, I mean had I been aware of the issue it wouldn’t be one.

Shoot me an email with a picture of it and in the mean time I can get everything sorted out for you.

And trust me, the last thing anyone wants is someone getting bad A314. I would be willing to pay to have the bottle shipped back for testing.

-Wolfe

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Just a heads up, sorted the credit. The RMA was submitted but no contact was made through our support desk, and things can get slippery if we aren’t made aware of an issue! Let the purchaser know to expect it soon.

-Wolfe

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This: “A bit of fear added in. It does not have attraction properties.” A314, Rev. 32 Oil, bottled Nov. 2013. Batch # imposs. to read.

“Is it in my own mind?” No, it’s attractive like “Eva loves Hitler.”

Now, here is the part where I get hate mail. It has to be dealt with, if Androtics is to move forward, because the skepticism about the whole mones industry is thick enough to cut with a chainsaw. Only a few people on earth can make an oil blend like A314. A few companies make their own, but nothing exactly copies it. Michael Harris will never have to prove his Master Mixiologist resume to me. Nor will Steve or maybe a handful of other people.

I know a bit about Brian and John. I don’t know who is designing and blending the current mixes and so on. A314, about 4 drops, scares babies. It’s as frightening as 30 mcg P75 any day. I don’t like saying this, but it has to be said. The ambitious goals for 2014 cannot happen without more transparency. The ability of users to interact directly with the Master (whomever it may at present be) is of utmost importance. Someone wearing the product and constantly open to tweaks and feedback. This hasn’t happened in a very long time. I’d love a spray or oil that does give all the attraction and fallout benefits. If there isn’t enough data, there never will be.

Really, the former fallout and attraction effects (getting the high-status women with just 314 alone), it’s possible in the spray. In the oil, I see only the respect and fearful deference from males and females alike. So, yeah, I’m afraid I can only recommend the spray for attraction in the absence of wallet-buggering socials reapplied twice daily.

The oil is not a dud, it just isn’t an attraction product. Maybe the store text was applicable to 2008 revisions of the product, but, IMHO, 314 oil alone is a poor attraction product. What I’m calling for here is serious, fearless, two-way interaction between the product designer(s) and users. Something that really hasn’t been fully operational since 2010 and not in earnest since 2008.

So, Hey there Nick and Brian, are you 314 users? Do I need my head examined or what?

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It’s like you read the mission statement of all of the war room meetings happening at Androtics HQ. At the moment I am going crazy because the planned systems can’t just yet be implemented. We just got the chat system online. Not to mention the problems we have been having with FedEx. It’s remarkable watching my job go from planning and brainstorming, finding ways to optimize the workflow, to endlessly babysitting FedEx. Now that we hopefully have slain we can get back on track for making our project more research focused. We are in the middle of a big breath of fresh air, and it seems we aren’t able to be at 110% quite yet. We have a new feedback system coming soon, on top of more new infrastructure for contact beyond the forum.

We know, unfortunately. We are going old school, I can’t say too much more than that right now. But as things get up to speed and systems begin to pass through integration we should see a lot of changes around here.

Personally I usually don’t wear it that often. I am more of a social user than anything. I don’t do enough business or selling these days to really make use of it. When I was on the sales floor I used it a lot more, with relatively good results at around 2 drops for me. I have Rev. 32, silver label.

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Kimba,
I do believe you and I understand , you are my freind
Brian?
Nick W you are an employee ? Congrats

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To be fair, I used to be a heavy user of A314. Rev23 was amazing for me and I heard it wasn’t as good as the older versions. I have rev 29, works fine but there are two problems:

  1. it doesn’t hit like rev23 and older versions used to. It’s more like A314 with ED. It needs some serious viagra.

  2. I can’t wear it any more. For whatever reason, whatever AD has put into it recently, I can’t wear it as it severely irritates my skin. That never used to be an issue for me in the past but rev29 onward has become almost painful to wear. As a result, I don’t wear it anymore. A shame, but that’s where I’m at.

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Indeed I am. I am one of the Okami that is working out the problem of getting feedback restored, getting things going in the Post-O Era.

I haven’t ever heard of this, but it’s certainly unusual. How does it become painful? Redness? Rashing?

Also about Rev 23+.

When you work with one guy for 15 years, you get used to his quality, but he never gives up his secrets. We can’t get the secrets behind the best batches of pheros, but what are we supposed to do? Rob him for his recipe and his synthesis? Not worth it. We didn’t want our super awesome chemist to die and take his knowledge with him. We liked how A314 worked too! But pheromones are like wine, there are a jillion variations depending on how the whole thing is put together. Ingredients skyrocket (and we don’t buy cheap stuff either) or the old school Harris era guys are “passing on”.

Ultimately, we are still a small operation that is doing its damnedest to help you hack life. Hopefully with the new feedback system we can hone in on A314 into the sexy man it used to be. (That doesn’t itch.)

-Wolfe

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I still keep finding younger women being submissively attracted to rev 32. Post office yesterday to ship of some MX353, yes Kimba ,I bought. 3 bottles too . Beside the point , girl at the post office, 20 ish is normally indifferent to me. But 2 drops A314 and some nols, she was quite sweet, laughing at my jokes and small talk .

Now, frankly, I’m not interested in A314 to be an attraction mix. Normally, it’s a solid base for an attraction mix . Add some shine or anything with a little none and watch out.

I have dropped my dosage down to 2 drops which is plenty and there is some intimidation at first but if you carry it well with proper body language and smile you can turn it around.

I really hope we can get to the bottom of all this A314 controversy as it is AD’s star product and they should focus on clearing any issues up. Summer/winter A314, really?

FD

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Painful may be a bit of an over exaggeration on my part, my apologies for that. It’s irritating on the skin, it itches and it’s fairly uncomfortable. Particularly if it’s on the neck or other areas that are more sensitive than say, the back of the hands. That said, I never experienced this with the previous versions, only with the more recent ones.

Wolfe, I mean no disrespect at all but that is a line that has been used here for quite a while, this whole “the chemist is super awesome and super rare and is dying and once he’s gone, the molecule is gone as well.” This has been said about P86 yet now we see that it has returned. We’ve been told for years that the formula for A314 has never changed, yet we’ve seen changes in its performance and strength constantly over the years. I’m a businessman, been in customer service relations since I was 15. If there is one thing I cannot abide by is when I’m being fed a BS excuse. These lines we keep hearing about super secret, super awesome, super dying chemists, while I don’t doubt there is a certain degree of truth to it, it still reeks of BS. Sadly, there’s been a decent amount of spoon feeding of distorted truths here for quite some time now and I admit that has saddened me greatly as AD was my first step into pheromones and made some damn fine products. The general change in staff as of late, hopefully is for the better. It’s great that Brian has been much more energetic in trying to bring out new mixes and old molecules. But the best thing the two of you can do, is to be straight up, honest and to the point. If AD is out of stock on a molecule, just say “We’re out of stock, production of this molecule is expensive and time consuming so we’re waiting on the production time.”

You’re new here, both of you. I have a good feeling that the two of you can help restore credibility with AD that has been lost over the years, all I ask is that you PLEASE be straight shooters and honest. No attempts at feeding people the cool aid. A good first step would be to move 297 to consumer line status. It’s been an MX for a very long time, it’s proving to be viable, relatively sustainable and it’s a good seller. Too often AD has released amazing mixes, only to watch them vanish into obscurity because of the adage “We must move on for the sake of advancing the science.” AD is also a company that has clients with money to spend and needs that can be provided. Provide them.

A314 HAS been changed over the years, it’s lost its punch and it’s lost its flare. It’s still a good product and I know you guys have the formula for the previous versions that were so beloved. I think a lot of us would be more happy if we hear something along the lines of “A314 has changed, but we would like to re-create it from its heyday. We need your help to test new components.” My apologies for this rant, but it’s been a long time coming and I see a glimmer of hope from you and Brian. I also hope that this post isn’t deleted as that seems to be happening quite a bit lately to anyone with a critical view on the company.