A314 with P83, IG and IS: does P83 undercut or boost A314's status vibe?

I have been wearing 2 sprays of a314, 1 spray of IG, 2 sprays of IS, and 1 spray of (7.5 mcg) P83. The P83 seems to make people friendlier and a little more talkative. Would P83 in this mix be more likely to disinhibit people so they disregard the status and respect vibe of a314? Or would it disinhibit them and increase the extent to which they are affected by a314 i.e even less likely to challenge you

To me, that mix seems the very opposite of tallkative - Its the sort of thing you would wear when you want to talk to people at length, with absolutely no reply, debate or argument.

P83 in that would probably simply disinhibit them further into their boots!

I’m trying very hard to see what you are trying to do with this but the only image that’s coming into my mind is a giant, shiny, armour-plated hedgehog! :open_mouth:

At your age, the IG will weaken the A314 and whilst the P75 will shore things-up a bit, it will still be more singularly severe but less effective than A314 alone - or at worst, P75 will take-over the A314 steering entirely and make you monumentally severe, to the detriment of all other pheros in the mix and anyone in your cloud.

A314/IS/P83 has done me sterling service many a time - Its a great social/status/engaging mix but you will need to take the lead in your interactions but at least its got some sociability..

Username, I agree with Mobo on this one. Seems like you are chasing your tail a bit on this. IMO :slight_smile:

I didn’t use P75 in that mix, but I have tested it a couple of times with a314. I found it added a more buddy buddy vibe at first, but then it was like it was actually giving others around me the benefits of it i.e arguing their points a lot more. What kind of occasion would you use p75 with a314? It doesn’t seem like a mix you would wear every day.

Would you use this as a daily mix or would you use it only if you wanted to be more social when wearing a314? Would it be attractive to women?

I tested 2 sprays of a314 and 2 sprays of IS and found it works very well in a simple mix. A lot more respect hits and compliments from others, people listened more carefully throughout the day. p83 and IG do seem to reduce the effectiveness of a314.

What would you say is the best a314 daily mix would be for ensuring the status and respect vibe and people listening carefully and not arguing and challenging you as much? Would it be to wear a314 and not wear any other pheros with it?

He might! :open_mouth: :smiley:

A314/IS/P83, I’d keep it for more social/public-facing work, events/conferences and the like but unless its a relaxed public event, more often I would add-in the P83 towards the end of the day when things are getting more social - I would probably be thinking to add-in a sexual around the same time as well as the time to add P83 is when people tend to start thinking about relaxing and having some fun.

Other than that, P83 has never done me very well in day to day professional mixes - but the sort of work you do might influence that. IS alone is the better companion, or IH or IH/P74 to help cultivate the engaging/expert/trusted vibe - and again, the sexual/P83 would go-on towards the end of the formal stuff.

IS - although great in many work mixes, its main problem for me is its far shorter lifespan and needing to work-in topups across the day, of which you would need 2-3 to cover the life of an A314 oil application. So normally, I try to work with A314 alone as my baseline, then add-in the IS for specific situations when I know its properties will be valuable.

Specific steering aside, I also like my work mixes to be simple/effective, long-lasting and economic, with the least faff in the mornings - and A314 over a thin app of lotion fits all these and lasts all day! :smiley:

Thanks mobocaster, I read one of your posts from a while ago where you mentioned that you had found p75 useful. I find when I talk to people when wearing p75 conversations with people I talk to are alot more engaging and it almost feels like both myself and the other person are very involved in what we’re talking about and not so much in other people or what’s going on around us. I have observed that women around me seem to want to be part of the conversation or want my attention. I’ve seen p75 affect guys around me and make them make random jokes and be really chuffed that you laugh at them and it’s very buddy buddy. I’ve also seen p75 make guys irritated, it seems it can have a very good effect on others and it can have a bad effect too sometimes.

I think this would work better too, and the p83 would be more useful in that situation instead of wearing it at the start of the day. It really does seem to take the edge off a314.

I have tested IH and p74 with a314, I found people were alot more relaxed but they also wouldn’t listen as carefully as when I’m wearing a314 on its own. I think I can only wear one or two sprays of p74 (5 mcg) and anything more than that I think it makes women not attracted to me and makes me quite beta. I’m already a friendly person and don’t like arguing etc so perhaps that’s why I can’t wear too much p74, whereas a more rough around the edges guy would benefit from it more and could wear more of it? However, I have found it useful as it does have a bonding effect.

I tested IS on its own recently (2 sprays) and found that literally every blonde women I walked past looked at me and in a friendly way, I had forgotten blonde women are supposed to find it attractive. I also find with IS that people tend to like to do things for you and will give you things and be more generous.

Does the oil version of a314 last alot longer? Is it as effective as the spray? What do people actually see and feel when they look at someone who is wearing a314? Have you ever sprayed someone else with it and talked to them?

Yes - On skin, oil lasts around eight hours but over a thin app of good quality lotion it will run to ten to twelve hours at the expense of a very slight reduction in diffusion range - which has never caused any problems for me in actual use.

Oil is much more subtle, effective and wide ranging compared to spray - It seems to dovetail your personality much better in professional situations, in ways that the spray can never manage.

Difficult to say what messages it sends to other people and initially I was wondering if it was worth the bother myself. Then I noticed I was getting more interesting jobs, being left to take care of things all by myself, being seen as a safe pair of hands for some important/sensitive work, my funding requests just went straight through without question/justification and I became much more involved in the medical side of our work on the public/event side of things, they went from the occasional help-out to becoming fully part of that team and then being given major events/personalities all to myself. Now they ask me to step-in and sort out the “professionals” when they screw-up! :o

Four years down the line, I’m now running a much higher profile and have a number of potentially very interesting avenues to explore in future.

Of course it didn’t happen overnight,

Interesting. I’m close to mobo’s age, and have recently been wearing a very similar mix, with MX403 (which I presumed was IO+IH, based on my first test series) instead of P83 – and most recently, using the IG variant pack in lieu of IG proper.

It seemed friendly while the weather was very warm – not at all severe (though now that I think about it: in my log, I called one variant “Instant Cult” because groups kept clustering around me, hanging on every word, and prolonging every interaction ridiculously even when I clearly had work to do) It worked particularly well when the ventilation was pushing air (and the party vibe) from my desk to the lobby and s nearby workshop. I was amazed that it could cover such a large area.

On cooler days, without forced ventilation, I’ve been noticing that it didn’t have such a shiny sparkly effect. This thread makes me wonder if it’s too status heavy and became shiny/sparkly as the A314b diluted out. This fits another observation: on cooler days, the effects didn’t become strikingly friendly until the second half of the day – perhaps due to A314 wear-off

That suggests an easy line of investigation.