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It’s been quite a while since I’ve been on here, but I wasn’t much active when I was here last. It was a bit tumultuous at the time, so I wasn’t too deep into anything then. I’ve had some of the pheros, tinkered here and there, and noticed some odd things. Where to start.

None of the mens pheros worked as they were supposed to. Ammo never attracted women. Or as far as I could tell. It seemed like they stood back a little more, like the scent didnt match the casing. A year or two ago though, it helped me skate. The skate park, jump over things etc kind. I would couple that with TAF (molecule f? I can’t remember, just call if taf) and I would skate better. More like I had confidence, which was what I was lacking at the time. Interesting side note, a spray of taf on the wrists while I was skating hit me immediately. It was as if everything heightened for a second like a shot of adrenaline. But nothing with women. The ex said it had two girls fighting over me at a club, but she put the cocktail bomb on me. haha. As far as skating goes these days, it doesn’t do anything anymore.

Instant gentlemen I tried because I look younger than I really am 19-20 vs the late 20s. I thought hey, it makes women feel you’re an older person. Also not an attracting scent. But I’ve heard my charm tends to be that I’m silly and a bit boyish, so maybe it was the wrong thing to spray. But I didn’t come off as sexual. The ex and I fought a lot with that one on. And yes, shes the dominant one and I’m the feminine one.

I’ve lost my taf so I can’t say I’ve used in a while, but as I said, it helped with skating. And photo editing. I could crank out photos much faster.

Spaceland is a trip. I made the mistake of trying that with molecule k and as the ex said…that’s instant drunk…on top of drinking. I slept in my car that night! haha.

Instant openness I’ve tried a few times, but I can’t recall what happened. It was fairly friendly. Same with come talk to me. Made friends at a club because of those.

Instant honesty, worst thing to take on a date. haha. Tried that, well, things were too honest. the woman was a bit like she didnt want to be there and when I noticed that much, I pretty much said fuck it and told her everything I thought was just the ugly truths about myself cause I had nothing to lose.

p96 which is impossible to get apparently, instant chemisty I think? I got flirty smiles from a check out girl at a trader joes. Tried it twice. Love the effects but the wait in that it seems is a lifetime.

P74, help me…used that and it works enough. Used it and it seems people are a little more helpful.

Probably used a few more but damned if I know what I was dowsed with.

So down to personality. I’m awkward in social situations (turns out I have a personality disorder which means I suck at reading emotions and understanding them, which means I lack proper etiquette ques in social situations and I don’t make the first moves dating/sexual situations). I’m more of a fem boy. With a few drinks, sure, I’m calmer and take more of a lead. I’ve had the ex say I have lower testosterone based on her observations. The confidence issue is still there, so boosting that seems key. Oh and I guess I’ve tried instant shine and that helped with that. I was sprayed with mystery boy and oh dear god, my friend and her 3 gfs ignored me all night lol. I’ve been pegged as bi or gay. It might be that I look young, dress fairly stylish, or just my demure. I’d say I’m bi curious, but I’m attracted to women. Without the pheros, I’ve met a fair number of women the first time and it seems my own natural pheros hit them. But it’s on a one on one date. Seems the lucky hat I owned also had a part in that. haha.

I’m also a mutt as far as my genes go. Part latin and part asian. I remember reading some posts on how the pheros have odd interactions for other ethnicities.

So far I have no idea how anyone can help piece this together, but hey chime in and give your thoughts. I’m not too good with the phero-speak, so breaking things down would be much appreciated!

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Did you do sweet spot testing? How many sprays of each individually gives you the best effects?

Are you “congruent.” i.e., do your actions match your pheros? From what I’ve read in the mens forums, if you wear “alpha” pheros and act “beta” people will know something is “off.”

Have you worked on your social behaviours independently, that is, tried to build your self-confidence, your social skills, your ability to “read” people?

It could be with skating and photo-editing you improved on your own, gained more confidence in doing these things, then maybe you wouldn’t notice the effect? Or you came to rely on it and your personal confidence went down, making the effect of the TAF only compensate for what you’d lost.

I’m sure there are others with your disorder that have developed coping methods. Find a meetup or at least some library books; get some assistance (counseling, or what-have-you). Try several counselors until you find one that works well with you. Medical professionals have personalities too, and they can clash with patients personalities.

And “mutts” tend to be the most beautiful people, so that should help you give a “mysterious exotic” impression. :wink:

I’m sure some guys will be along in a while to tell you more specifics.

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When I put on the Pheros, I try to be on my game because I know the scents alone don’t mix and match. But I know me enough to know some of my own body language might be giving me away. I’ll do the eye contact, try to take more initiative, stand up straight (I’m a short guy at 5’4"), dress fairly well (be a bit of a peacock), etc. But I’m not sure I’ve had particularly good results with the men’s mixes. But I don’t tend to mix and match, like evening the IG with something else to make it seem like I’m the fun type. Which I am, but again with the initiating things, it’s where I’ve seen I have trouble. Women like a guy who acts like one, even the dom kinds I’ve noticed…still want to feel like they’re a woman. Maybe that’s rubbish, but I’ve been surveying people a while now with my rants on the topic. I think on a physical level, being as short as I am puts me at a disadvantage of being seen as alpha. One of those “really”..that can’t be right moments.

Yes, I’ve worked on social behaviors, but I know that needs a ton of work. If you’re familiar with alexithymia, reading people is a bit tough, rather gauging what they’re thinking. So I’ll ask are there any reading materials you’d suggest on reading people?

I know I’ve improved on my own in those areas, but I don’t see why Ammo would have helped with skating. Taf just helps me run at a higher clock speed and as far as I can tell, still works that way. It never did jack for my confidence.

Ah as far as I can tell, having alexithymia doesn’t really translate to counseling. It’s not recognized in the DSM IV. In some cases it’s caused by physical trauma, but far as anyone can tell, it’s hard wired. The plus side is the positive traits are dead on with me:

" Some of the
noted qualities alexithymic individuals display are loyalty,
dependability, ability to speak one’s mind, a skill for noticing
detail, exceptional memory for certain facts (such as names, dates,
schedules, routines), a desire for order and accuracy, an acute
sensitivity to physical stimuli (hearing, touch, vision and/or smell),
increased perseverance and endurance in areas of interest, and not
infrequently a prowess in certain sports or games (Attwood and Gray
1999)."

So the negative is trouble describing my own emotional states and connecting with the states of others.

haha being a mutt just confuses people. Are you this..or…hey what are you?

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No, I don’t have recommendations to help with reading people. I have ADD, so I have similar problems, as do people with Asperger’s, so you might look into those groups/books. Also the counseling would be adaptive training more than any treatment for the underlying diagnosis.

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I’m not much for counceling, mostly because as a kid I had to go for a year and it didn’t really work, nor did any therapist who was more about patching me up with positive thinking, rather than try to fix anything or try to figure me out. I’m more about self research and testing things on my own pace. I’m intelligent enough to have been doing this for years now. I wanted to be a psychologist and excelled in that, but I ended up pursing literature instead haha.

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I’m not much for counseling either, since most seemed to want me to “trust god” or some other mythological being, but I’ve found the functional ones a big help. They can give you more specific refs, too. Meet a few until you find one that seems “normal.” That will save you lots of time and frustration, was my thinking.

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I haven’t had any of them say I should trust god. I had someone try to enroll me in a class for pessimists lol. I’m not exactly your half full glass kinda guy, but I thought that was ridiculous. Yeah, I can be a pessimist and an cynic, which is at times detrimental, but over the last couple years I’ve learned on my own how to move around it for day to day activities. It’s when it comes to the opposite sex I’m less than stellar. Long story short, mom had an extramarital affair growing up and involved the kids and extended family. The women I dated early weren’t stellar either. So it’s taken a bit of my 20s to work myself out of that and go, okay, that happened, but where do I move from here?