One month of journaled tests with IS, IH, IG and IFM, no hits noticed yet

Field Reports & Anecdotal Experience Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports
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Hi there,

After some time of using Pheros now I wanted to share some of my experiences with you. I got IS, IH, IG, IFM, TUTH, AMMO and Spaceland.

Since I got the products one month ago I have been experimenting with many different variations and I have logged them into a journal. I mainly used IS, IH, IG and IFM. It would be too much to explain all variations I used here in detail. But it was many variations. I started slowly and stuck to IS at first with one or two sprays to the chest and neck. Later I put on more and also combined. Basically I logged 18 occasions since a month and used Pheros in many places like Café, Bar, social gatherings, theater, salsa classes, public transport, dinners, parties etc. I have met new people and people I already know. Some side information on myself: I live in a large City in southern Germany, I am 33 years old. I go out quite a bit and sociable.

To sum it up I unfortunately have to say that I cannot see any effects whatsoever. Or at least I could not make it work yet. Of course I have read lots of articles here beforehand and I know the argument that the effects are “very subtle” etc. But then the effects must have been microscopically subtle.

I thought about my results and as I see it there are only few possibilities:

  1. Pheros really do work, but just not for me. I think this is rather an improbable case although I know that it is very human to first blame it on you.
  2. Pheros really do work, but not due to the pheromones but rather through a placebo effect, meaning that if you use it and you believe in it you behave differently and get the results from that. It is more like NLP. In this case I do not seem to respond that way.
  3. Pheros really do not work but people think they do because they interpret results into situations that really are not there just because they desperately want it to work. I caught myself in this mode already when I had situations of for example somebody being very friendly or so. But I realized that same things also happen to me without Pheros like they happen to all of us every now and then (If you are in a very good mood you will always get better reactions from people, see 2)

Up to now I can only say that I definitely want it to work. But I am also an objective person and very honest to myself. As I saw no effects I tried to go another way and try overdosing it. But also then I saw no reactions. Nobody turned unfriendly and no other guys were uncomfortable in my presence etc.

Finally I also could not see any of the reported effects on myself either. When I used Pheros I did not feel different at all like described for IG or Spaceland for example.

Please share your thoughts on this with me. I have read some people’s posts with similar doubts and I have also read many posts reporting positive effects (which basically made me want to try this out). Especially from those of you who are sure of having experienced positive results it would be interesting to learn what makes you sure of the result.

Any tips are more than welcome.

Best regards from Germany

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  1. Pheromones do cause behavioral effects, but you are not tuned in to observing them.

Many guys have this problem. We are not as observant of social cues as the ladies often are.

I’m probably the worst. Often my wife or a female friend will point out that another woman is attracted to me. She’s sending all kinds of signals that sail right over my head. I’m getting better at picking up such cues. To me, it is obvious that pheromones have an effect. It wasn’t obvious the first few tries though.

On the forum, they sometimes call this MPB , male pattern blindness.

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If your not seeing hits, you could try a week (two would be better) with no pheros and keep a journal of your hits. Then pick a single product and work your way up in it until, as they say, you find your sweet spot. As your doing that, keep referring back to your no phero journal to see how it compares. If absolutely nothing else comes of it, you’ll be more socially aware in the end. And social awareness is not something most men can claim to have.

It’s tempting to try different products and mixes. Man, I’ve been tempted to start throwing products on. In fact, I did so yesterday evening. The only thing I wound up doing was confusing myself because I haven’t learned to identify the IOI associated with the product on it’s own. In the end, I decided to forget everything I observed and start back on a nice controlled study as I had planned.

Good luck man, and don’t give up yet.

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Thanks for both the replies. I will go on testing of course and post here. And yes, I already do break the days, i.e. some days I do not use Pheros and some days I do. Then I try to compare the differences. I am also not looking for the huge results but at least special eye contacts or similar. Also I have to say that I think that at the moment I am rather much more observant than less exactly because I am experimenting. My concern was that even though I was scannnig reactions and comparing from Non Phero Days to Phero Days I honestly could see no differences.

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GWTH made a great point about men being less observant than women. If you have a close female friend that you could confide in, you might tell her about your pheromones and ask her to help you judge any effects the phero’s are having on other people.

Another point to make is that just wearing pheros isn’t enough. As you already know the effects are subtle and you have to work the pheros, if you want them to work for you.

You did say that you are sociable. Wear Instant Shine or Instant Gentleman only, and strike up conversations with a couple of new people. Then see if you don’t notice them acting a little nicer, more open, friendly, and/or interrested in talking to you than they might without the pheros.

Pheromones do work, and even the scientific community is starting to come to that realization, and they’re producing some interesting results in testing and trials.

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I guess we’re in the same boat Juh.

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It does sound a lot like MPB. I would like to point out that male pattern blindness isn’t something you’re going to just “snap out of” by “paying attention more”. If you don’t know what body language cues mean what, even if you see them, they won’t hold any meaning and thus will not be noticed. So my suggestion is: Study the subject of body language closely. It takes a while to learn.

Also, consciously force yourself to be more observant. It takes a while to make it automatic.

Two more things:

  1. You’re not following a regimented testing/learning pattern. You should be. Tisha and I both have good recommendations for how to do that on the board.
  2. You might want to consider trying to overdose with ONE pheromone, attempting to affect yourself. Androstenone based pheros are usually good for this; so are alpha-androstenol based pheros.

It occurrs to me that you may be suffering massive overdose and we don’t know it because you haven’t told us what and how much you are wearing.

Try the regimented testing/learning approach.

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Not sure if this will help, but try 4-5 sprays of honesty, for me i find it makes people loud, giggly and fun ( this is on people who are usually quiet and boring so it is very noticable). You could do it with people you know because you will see the changes in them. Try this like 2-3 times on different occasions and see if anything happens. One time i was driving with a few friends in my car i had 3 sprays of honesty on and all hell broke loose, so maybe give it a try in a very closed enviroment?

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I feel your pain Juhuuu,

I’m also a new user and I totally agree with you. I have a314, IS, TUTH, IH, IO, and AMMO.

I have noticed three type of posters on this forum. First, the college kids reporting crazy «results» like: «I went to Burger King today and the girl who took my order was smiling at me for like a very long time, man! She even asked me if I wanted some fries with my Whopper. I could feel she was super turned on by the pheros. Thanks AMMO! Then I went to my math class and this girl sitting 50 feet away from me kept playing with her hair… she never did it before today. Even the teacher was being super friendly and always looking at me begging for my approval. It must be a314 giving me the super power vibe of a CEO.»

The second type, I would call the old timers. They have over 1000 posts and they are in some ways linked to the company producing the pheros. They are getting a lot of free stuff and test mixes and over the years have become friends with the staff members. They are firm belivers. They will always point the finger at the user and not at the products. If it’s not working it’s because YOU are not doing it correctly or YOU don’t have the finesse to notice the wonderful effects. You should buy all the products and test them all one by one, one spray at a time for weeks and weeks.

Finally, you have the average joes like you and me who are not getting any specific results. These guys usually write a few comments and disappear for ever.

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wow I’ve never felt the need to rep someone badly before but you where exceptionally negative and unduly cynical.

A lot of people (possibly even yourself?) receive a free gift, it’s the nature of the company. Androtics as I understand even sell some of there products at a loss. Regardless I assume what your trying to say is that androtics are giving members free gifts as “sweeteners” to carry on endorsing their products on the forum to entice “average Joes” like yourself to part with there money on products that are simply and knowingly duds? ha. Now what’s more likely the above far fetched scenario or that the pheromone products really work and that the “old timers” have 1000’s of post’s here “pointing the finger” on how to make the most on them for your benefit.

Besides don’t androtics offer a money back guarantee? You obviously came here and where intrigued enough to buy the products because you feel you could do with enhancing your own life. I just find it a shame that once you realised pheromones aren’t a magic bullet you aren’t prepared to make the effort required and ridicule those who are.

A hit can present itself as a cluster of body language cues but you must remember your own body language. A hit can be a change in someone’s behaviour but you must be aware of your own behaviour. etc. etc. It’s a long list and there’s nothing I can say that hasn’t been said before. You may well not be doing it correctly, Check the congruency thread.

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First of all thanks to all of you for your great answers. I appreciate it very much and it shows how active this forum really is.

@catlord17 (I have read quite a few of your threads. Very useful!) As to your comments. I agree that one has to learn about many aspects including body language. I actually am looking into many aspects of social dynamics since 5-6 months out of interest and of course to get better in my own interactions. I will look for your regimented testing/learning pattern on the board.

@UKClubber: Good idea. I will try this out

@Letouriste: I see that you have similar questions as I do. What exactly have you tested? And: Don’t you agree it would be quite a hassle for members to write thousands of posts (some times pretty long ones) in order to get free products that do not work for them?

To all of you: Many post (I also saw this in some of Catlord17’s) mention they feel an effect on themselves when using Pheros. Could you point out what would be a good test on yourself? Or are these effects seldom? Or also too subtle?

I am also attaching my journal in this post for your information on dosis’. It is a little cryptic so I hope you can read it. The OD test is not in this.

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Hello

Lets see if I am reading this graph correctly…

Ishine the most I notice you have used is 3 maybe 4 sprays. Forehead ??? Why the forehead ?

IG the most you used was 3 sprays

IH again the most you tried was 3 sprays.

Ammo 2 1/2 sprays and your 33

TUTH you used once

You have never really tested them on there own the correct way. I suggest you go back and begin again this time following the guide. Dont spray to the forehead or cloths. You most likely need more then your using. From your graph your not using enough and if you skipped right up to mega dosing you may have missed your sweet spot.

Brush up on body language skills because you may have trouble noticing peoples behavoir changes and cues. This is common, One thing you can do to help is stop using your mones for a week or so and go about your day. Observe peoples behavoir. Then start testing again. This many times helps people see the difference.

Call the hotline for assistance from Steve. He can give you alot of great tips on how to use the products most effectively.

I suggest you read the whole forum then. Because I know the whole demographic of this forum and you can not be more wrong. Another excellent point that Juhuuu brings up… Why the hell would I spend the amount of time that I do helping members here to get products that didnt work. Not that I am getting a whole lot of anything free. I am the moderator and I work hard for it but I wont lie for anyone. I am a mone expert, I know they work and that its not placebo. I have blind tested thousands of times on myself as well as countless others who had no ideal they were even testing mones and have blatantly seen results. I have spent thousands of dollars on mones. I am insulted by the implied notion that the old timers here are just pushing stuff for free products. The only free products that go out here are the ones every member gets even the new ones. As a matter of fact the new members tend to get them more then the old time members. We try to bring the truth to members and the truth is … its work to learn to use mones effectively. Its been said thousands of times in this forum that there is no magic potion. That mones enhance. That they open doors but you still have to walk through them.

The people you dont see return to the forum still return to the store. Forums are not everyones cup of tea. The college kids may be over enthusiastic at times but we normally call them on it.

If you judge that mones do not work for you that is fine, return them for a refund, but do not judge the rest of the people that they do work for and imply you know us and our motives here.

Juhuuu… If you need help I am here or you can call Steve Monday thru Friday and he will be happy to help you with the products you currently have. Thank you for being nonjudgmental and open minded.

Tisha

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New User too but with Hits!

Hi!

I guess I’m just lucky. I just got my first shipment yesterday morning and used it right away. I started with 1 dose of IS for work. I have IS, TUTH, AMMO, and a to-go Instant Honesty. (Thanks Amy for the free gift btw! And also for the Ghirardelli chocolate! yum!)

Well so far, I wore IS to work, IS+Ammo to a club (1 dose each), and this morning to a “date” with IS+Ammo+IH. I saw a few hits yesterday but wasn’t convinced it was the pheros because it wasn’t that convincing yet. But after today’s date, you can’t call me a believer yet, but I’m definitely heading that way. The girl I was with was intensely chatty and touchy. Not just that, I noticed a girl flashing a smile at me too when she walked by. Of course this all could be coincidence, but it might not be.

I think what’s important is that you don’t consciously OBVIOUSLY look around for hits. Don’t observe hits. Notice hits instead. You gotta be a lil vain for this but if you’re consciously looking for hits, whatever you’re doing, it’s not gonna be very attractive.

I am still not sold on the results yet 100% and I have only just started on my experimentation. I have ways to go. But it has been interesting! :slight_smile:

Oh and I’m no college kid, and I’m no veteran “who’s here for free gifts”. I’m and average joe just like you guys but just luckier with results. 1 dose might be my sweet spot. What’s yours?

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Alright Letouriste, With a total of 4 post I see that you’re one of those average joes you talked about, and I must be one of those old timers you referred to, with over a 1000 posts, so let me clarify a few statements you made:

I do not work for, have anything to do with, nor am I in any way connected with Androtics, nor is anyone else on the forum, except Steve, Mickaelia, and Tisha (Who is a forum moderator only and not Androtics staff). The rest of us are all just like you and Juhuuu.

I do consider Steve and Jasmin friends, because they are awesome people, not because they give me freebies or for any other reason. And, if you were to pick up the phone and call Steve, you’d probably see for yourself what a great guy he is and far he’s willing to go to help you get the pheros to work for you.

Tisha does not work for the company, but she’s pretty damn awesome too, and even though I’ve never actually spoken to her, I also consider her a friend, as well as some of the other old timers on the forum, like Bosshank, Bella, Renny, Data4 (Jon), and a whole slew of other folks as well.

I, the people that I’ve mentioned, as well as many other members, post on the forum because we found the products to work well for us, and we put the time and the effort into learning how to properly use them. We post here to track our results, spur each other along, help out the newer users, and provide feedback to Androtics.

And, I can’t think of a single one of us who point fingers at the user and fault them for the pheros not working. Yes, we will step in and offer advice on product usage, but in almost every case I can think of, we do so in a friendly and gracious manner. If you’ve seen post where there was finger pointing, without offering advice as well, I suggest you read the previous posts, and I’d be willing to bet that you’d find somebody was rude, overly negative or made stupid accusations, such as those made by you.

As Wildflower mentioned, all of the consumer products carry a money back guarantee, so if you’re not happy with them you can always get your money back. But, if you want to get them working for you, we are here to help you along. Your choice.

You can think it’s all a hoax and go away, and I don’t think a single one of us would miss you. Or, you can bury the negative attitude, look around and ask some questions, and we’ll do our best to help you.

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Add 10-20 mcg TAF to your pheromones… you will see the results.

Diane

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I’m an average Joe and have gotten results, so where does that put me?

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Good ideal for once he see’s results but until he does I dont suggest he move on to even TAF. TAF increases focus but can be very dependant on your mind set. If he is even just a little bit focused on not seeing the results that is what it will intensify. They end up be so focused on what it isnt doing that they totally miss what it is doing. Tested this one out on a few of my skeptic friends :wink:
Tisha

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The reason it may seem like people are pointing the finger is because they know it works from a lot of experience. The point is noone is forcing you to do anything you do not want to do. Most orders get free gifts, these free gifts are usually pheromones in testing and im guessing they want people to report back on them.

Just remember there is always the 150% money back guarantee and even a hotline that i saw just to help members.

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Wow, these are quite some reactions I guess. But for me it is encouraging also because I see that the forum allows open discussion.

I have to admit my questions also arose because of many people reporting responses/hits far from being subtle which of course influenced my expectations :wink:

Tisha, many thanks for the advice. Yes, you read the graph correctly. I read your link and will change my testing and report back to you all. And after a while I will also call up Steve or you for a little chat.

One last question. Do you think IO and/or CTTM would increase the probability for reaction as they tend to enhance making contact?

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I can say that without a doubt, when I wore IO to work and was working with a co-worker of mine she couldn’t stop talking about her life growing up. She basically told me everything about how her dad was abusive and so on, now of course I was continuing the conversation by talking to her and responding to her life story so obviously she had to talk back more. However, I had never heard her open up to me that much except when I wore IO. It wasn’t a bad thing, but the conversation was long and I sure got to know a good amount about her that night. And yes, I’ve worked with her in the past without wearing pheromones and she had never opened up THAT much to me. Coincidence? Who knows, but it sure made me put two and two together.