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Field Reports & Anecdotal Experience Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports
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Hi guys,

Sorry to sound so negative but honestly it’s the truth. I’ve been trying out phero products for the best part of a month and a half now (I have in my stock, IS, A314, IH and Alter-Ego) and I have had no perceivable results.

Friends and family are treating me exactly the same. Strangers who I have met in all the various meeting points (clubs, bars, everyday life etc.) are treating me exactly how I would expect.

I have multiple-times tried to OD (as it is called) on A314 and Alter but no amount of pheros seems to enact ANY sort of result be it positive or negative.

To give you all a bit of background, I am a 19 year old male (British) and I have now tried just about every combination there is with these products.

Any tips or help would be appreciated. I don’t want a refund or 200% back or whatever generous things there are on offer - I just want to see these things have some affect!!

Thanks and again sorry if this sounds overtly cynical.

Cheers,
Joe

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your post doesn’t sound cynical just frustrated and genuinely wanting help…

I get the most blatant hits with ammo. I wear 2 sprays, and as I walk in closed areas many many more people look at me than they did before I wore ammo. Girls are clearly somewhat more attracted to me and guys are somewhat intimidated but not in a bad way. It is pretty damn consistent.

A314 is more subtle. I’d just say you should act the same way you always do but being aware of how people treat you. Don’t expect huge amounts of anything different, just be aware.

IH doesn’t do anything if you dont have conversations with people.

I’d recommend basically all the pheromones you don’t have if you’re looking for blatant hits. Tuth gives blatant hits and I’ve heard IJ does too, both sometimes negative in inappropriate situations. IO makes people more chatty. And ammo as I talked about before. Good luck

Edit: I’d check the sticky about recognizing IOI’s it’s pretty comprehensive

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I have to ditto what conundrum said about the subtleties. I think a big mistake many people make (myself included) when first using pheromones is that they expect too much. Some people expect their lives to become an Axe commercial, where they get molested by every girl that walks by them. I remember reading an intro about how the person became interested in pheromones after seeing “Spanish Fly” used in the movie Oceans 13. But if pheromones were that powerful they’d probably be illegal lol.

I am NOT implying that you are one of these people that had too high of expectations, I’m just saying that the key to using pheromones is increasing your awareness of your surroundings. Many things I notice are because I see them in my peripheral vision and not because I directly look at people. For example, I have regular group meetings in school where I like to do my testing and I can tell in the corner of my eyes that a couple girls that sit by me will turn their heads and look directly at me for no reason, for extended periods of time. But, when I turn to look back, they turn away.

Another thing is people hanging around you more than usual. I’m a big talker and like socializing in groups, but I’ve noticed that with certain pheromones the group tends to get bigger, or people stick around longer than normal to talk to me, as if they don’t want me to leave.

A lot of what I notice from pheromones I don’t even realize right away. Sometimes I don’t realize a “hit” until a few days later while thinking back on the situation. With time and patience you will learn to pick up on clues from your surroundings.

Here is the thread conundrum was talking about: How to Tell a Woman is Interested In You -- The Master "Indicators of Interest List"

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why would guys be intimidated… I tried on some ammo with IS to get this girl that wasn’t really into me last year attracted, and I think it kind of made her feel something.

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ammo contains -none which signals a dominant powerful person, which can make men intimidated.

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Can you tell me where you learned this? I have been looking but I couldn’t find any scientific study to verify this claim. Can you point me in the right direction?

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There are articles that prove that A1 increase luetinizing hormones in women. I think there is a link to it in the instant jerk thread. LH is needed for reproduction. Unfortunately androtics does not offer an A1 product because the molecule has been patented.

Actually Here you go, just found one proving an effect of A1 that is often discussed here :slight_smile:

EDIT:
Link won’t work =/ search this in google and choose the first link

androstadienone luteinizing hormone

actually searching that will get you alot of hits

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Number one… you probably don’t need TUTH … you already produce enough -none. Ammo would be a better choice. I also would suggest Instant Shine (2x) and Instant Openness (2x). All three work very well together .. good luck.

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You don’t sound cynical, just frustrated so don’t worry.

I agree with what others have said, that it is often in the subtleties. Those who already know you and are used to your pheromone signature are going to take longer to adapt than those who don’t which is something to bear in mind. The other thing is congruence - you’ll see this word used all over the forum.

As an example - Instant Openness helps conversation flow but you have to be congruent, ie. you may have to start conversation and you’ll have to be friendly and “open” - the mones will then amplify that perception in people. If you are giving an alpha or open signature but your demeanor is the opposite it’s going to confuse people and nothing might happen.

There is a recent post about CTTM2 and the guy says about girls talking to him non-stop. The key to each of his interactions though was that he put himself in a position for that to happen in the first place - starting conversation or making it inevitable. Once that door was opened though the conversation flowed - that’s how it works, part you, part mones.

Likewise A314 - you have to act a bit “alpha” - stand tall and straight, and believe you are alpha and let the mones back that up. I think that helped me when I started, that idea that mones are backup to what I want to portray, not the means of portraying, period. A hobo in Ammo isn’t going to get a great response compared to someone who is dressed the part.

Also try not to look for reactions. Wait until the end of the day and consider what has happened and it is often on reflection you see things. Sometimes I have had hits so blatant I can’t help but notice them and they have made me self-consciously embarassed, other times I’ve thought nothing has happened then I look back and just realise that cumulatively a lot of little things, almost unnoticeable, have made my day go smoother than normal. That’s the magic for me - something small could just be someone being nice. When it’s dozens of people on the same day being friendlier than they have to be you suspect it could be something else. Watch for a barman coming to you first in a crowded bar, or a waitress giving you more attention and bringing you your food a bit quicker than someone who was in before you - it’s not necessarily blatant but it happens.

One of the things that convinces me about these outside of my own experience is how many of us have similar experiences. There are a few of us on here who have independently, and certainly in my case without knowledge of other people’s reports, had similar experiences with the same combo’s (like IG, IS and IO).

As with all these things I think it is at least 90% me, 10% mones which may make some people ask why even bother but as above, see them as back-up, act like who you want to be, and keep on an eye on what happens outside of the ordinary. My interest in all this is almost entirely the social mones and I think they are great for just a little bit of conversational lubricant.

This community seems to be one of the friendliest and most helpful around when it comes to giving product advice too so don’t be afraid to ask for advice and let us know how you get on so we can learn from your experiences too :slight_smile:

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I think the two main points people are making are:

  1. The effects are subtle. This can mean “barely noticeable”. Yes, that is what subtle means when it comes to effects - hard to notice.

  2. Buy more mones. If the one you tried didn’t work, buy MORE. This is common sense when buying products. If a company sells you one product you don’t feel works as described, BUY MORE from them. But remember, when you get the right mones the effects will be subtle (barely noticeable).

So, don’t expect too much and buy more and you’re set. :wink:

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I think u used too much of the products u own and u OD alot.Try to use less mones and see what happens.When I OD people seem not to notice me and no obvious hits either.So try with lower dosages and do not OD.U maybe think that if u use too much u’ll get some blatant hits or some blatant OD effect but sometimes using too much means not getting any results.People just ignore the mones somhow or it seems like that.So try lowering the dosages u use and then see what happens. :wink:

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Thanks for the tips guys. I’ll try lowering the dosage and see what happens.

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nobrain tell us exactly how many sprays/drops u used?I’m pretty sure that u overdosed and that’s why u didn’t get any results but it’s interresting to me how badly u overdosed…
For instance when I wear more than 3-4 drops of a314 people tend to avoid me and nothing happens.No hits, no looks, nothing.In lower dosages though the effects are full present. :wink:

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Its very interesting how your presence here Nobrain has stirred the pot its been pretty entertaining actually haha (I’m thinking this is part of your “process”). I think your desire to help others not be scammed is very admirable and its obviously not your first rodeo here. I hope that when you test its with the intention of finding out if there really is something to these pheromones as opposed to trying to uncover another scam. The difference being if someone already has it in their mind that a company is trying to scam people their own testing could be twisted into supporting what they already believe (I say this because from reading your posts so far they read as if you already have an opinion on the matter prior to any testing of the actual products). Where as going into your own research trying to determine if they work or not leaves the door more open for a fair test. (I’m not trying to be patronizing here I just wanted to make sure I was getting my thought across clearly). Either way judging from my own experiences I believe you will be surprised by the out come of your tests I look forward to reading your reports!

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I have a bias, but my experiments will not be conducted that way. And, let it be said, that my “journal” just like everyone’s will just be another consideration. I do not expect the findings I post to hold any more weight than other on this forum. I cannot tell you not to fully trust what others are posting and yet say to fully trust me. But, it will help me take the action I need to take.

Surprisingly I think to most is that I DO want them to work. I think people here (and other places I have done my thing) feel like my goal is “I TOLD YOU SO”. This is not the case. I want to get excited about a new possibility, not disappointed by another scam. I really want these to work!

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I for one definitely had that feeling… I got it from the way in which you would challenge peoples (mine included) replies to some of your posts… at least at first read… to be honest it seemed at first that you were trying to just be argumentative and piss people off haha.

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That is fair. You felt that way because I am arguing with their position. In a few weeks, I may be arguing FOR their position!

I think the test is going to be hard to complete (not all my testing); the test with members of this forum. They seem to have too much fear to take it. I just lost someone else who wanted to be involved and now they do not, fearing that I am going to somehow skew the results. Or perhaps they fear they will not know which one contains the mones?

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I don’t think its fear so much as people (and I group myself in this) have seen an enhancement in their life after using these products, what set me off about your posts at first was that is felt like you were trying to devalue our experiences, kind of like you were calling us flat out liars to our face. I think your seeing that the members here have a deep connection to this company and each other through the use of these products and the new experiences that have come since they started testing. Maybe feeling like you have alternative motives here other then testing and would not want to be apart of some thing they feel may be “devious”. I’m not saying this is or isn’t your intention just my perspective on why your butting heads with so many people here, does this make sense?

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It makes tons of sense. You guys have a community here; based on pheromones. Whether the pheromones themselves work, they have enhanced your life (in your opinions). So, to some degree, it doesn’t matter if they work or not. They make you happy; you feel a benefit.

Again, two opposing religions will have community, experiences, and a very deep connection. You don’t have to look hard to find someone who can demonstrate how much better their life has become since becoming a Muslim, or a Christian, or a Scientologist. But, when only one can be true (or neither), that means someone there believes something that is not true. Yet, if the burden of proof is only how it has impacted their lives – they can both prove their beliefs beyond a reasonable doubt.

The thing is however, I do see it as a destructive thing. I see charlatanism as a serious problem. A community built on false hope and false claims (not that this IS one) is not a true community at all. And one that is built to grow the wealth of the promoter will end up destroying more than it helps.

You are getting benefit out of pheromones whether they work or not. But there are many who place HOPE in them. Many who cannot afford to be let down. Many who might pass on real help for the dreams of an easy fix.

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Well I’ll add my two cents here…since you bring religion into this… Believing in something you cannot see is called having faith… You may say that believing in something you cannot see may not be powerful enough for you…
Let me ask you this then if you had your arm cut off… Could you survive??? Yes
If you had the air you breathe taken away … Could you survive??? No
so what is more powerful something you can see or something you cannot…
That is what faith is…
And that is all I have to say about this …