Aggressive Side Effects

[dma]

trouble with the edit function … let’s try this again!

… The mix of pheros I’m wearing right now and have been using the past week (carefully noting and gauging results) is a mixture of three ‘sexual’ hormones – Androstenone (5alpha-androst-16-en-3-one), alpha-Androstenol (5alpha-androst-16-en-3-ol) and Androstadienone (delta 4,16-androstadien-3-one).

I’ve been using two sprays to the neck and one to the wrists and here’s the thing–I’m addicted to it. I’m much more more aggressive – aware of my surroundings – and completely aware of the women around me. I have two active targets and during the past week both started with a ‘deer in the headlights’ ‘I don’t know how to react’ reaction – to inventing reasons to hang around me. There are lots and lots of indirect signals and overt ones that the game is on.

But the biggest change is me. I’ve never been shy. I was playing the game and practicing the Mystery Method before Mystery wrote the book. But this is a new experience for me.

I’m fully into middle age and have gone gray, but the games don’t stop. My days of “bunnies” may be drawing to a close – but if this past week is any indicator, there are plenty of girls who need a daddy figure and someone to teach them. The quesiton is – is the change in me?

I stumbled into pheros as something else to put an edge back in the game. It’s a serious question and I hope to get some thoughtful replies. Have any of you experienced a change in behavior because of your phero use … or do you attribute the change to those around you?

[turrgon]

i hear it depends a lot on where you spray. like if you shoot some instant shine into your face, of course youll be hit harder than anyone around you. but if you spray some on the back of your neck, other people will be more affected.

[Gegogi]

DMA, I’ve used pheromone products for years and, at first, experienced a “buzz,” and felt like the dad burn cock of the roost and master of my domain. But get over it as the feelings will gradually wear off as you get used to it. However the effects on your new “targets” will remain intact. You’ll merely have to muster the wherewithal to to git on 'n ride.

As for girls lookin’ for a daddy, that’s been the way of the way world since the beginning of time. I still have to pinch myself when it happens to me–figured I’d be gettin less and not more–but it’s been great incentive to stay in shape and dress well. I must say many younger women are straved for attention, basic manners and romance, something most younger men refuse or are unable to give.

I haven’t changed my behavior because of pheromone use. Pheromones have merely enhanced what I’ve always been doing.

[dma]

@Gegogi

DMA, I’ve used pheromone products for years and, at first, experienced a “buzz,” and felt like the dad burn cock of the roost and master of my domain. But get over it as the feelings will gradually wear off as you get used to it. However the effects on your new “targets” will remain intact. You’ll merely have to muster the wherewithal to to git on 'n ride.

It doesn’t appear that’s going to be a problem. And the good news is – I’m convinced that the quality of the products arriving Wednesday are superior to those I’m using now. It’s officially been enough time to notice the effects – and beyond what the pheros are doing to me, it’s had a noticeable effect on the women around me. I haven’t had enough time to adequately say whether or not pheros are having an effect in the field – but then I haven’t been to any clubs since starting and the mall experiences could be merely coincidental (pairs and singles following closer than ‘normal’ or getting closer in elevators – proximity vibes from other women when inside stores shopping, etc.)

@Gegogi

As for girls lookin’ for a daddy, that’s been the way of the way world since the beginning of time. I still have to pinch myself when it happens to me–figured I’d be gettin less and not more–but it’s been great incentive to stay in shape and dress well. I must say many younger women are straved for attention, basic manners and romance, something most younger men refuse or are unable to give.

Amen to that, brother. I know exactly where you’re coming from on that one – but let me hit you with another – do you think it’s coincidental that I’m regrowing the mustache and soul patch since I started pheros? I actually just thought of it while I was typing this – and it’s odd, but true. I started letting the beard grow the weekend after I got my shipment of Pheroline – and it’s probably tied to the other behavioral changes I’ve noted. I can hardly wait to add IFM and TUTH to my mix. (I’ll try not to OD – which I see come up now and then in these threads.)

@Gegogi

I haven’t changed my behavior because of pheromone use. Pheromones have merely enhanced what I’ve always been doing.

I’ve seen that thought in other threads, too. But hey – I know I’ve changed in some ways – but it’s been more like a regression to earlier days and more aggressive, adventurous times. So far – I’m loving it.

And yes, the young lady was all over me again today – displaying all the right signals – hair twirling, engaging eye contact, kino escalation, proximity and even some ‘footsie’ during the meeting. Inadvertent? Once, sure. Four or five times? I’m not so sure it’s happenstance at that rate …

[newplayer]

@Gegogi

DMA, I’ve used pheromone products for years and, at first, experienced a “buzz,” and felt like the dad burn cock of the roost and master of my domain. But get over it as the feelings will gradually wear off as you get used to it. However the effects on your new “targets” will remain intact. You’ll merely have to muster the wherewithal to to git on 'n ride.

Gegogi, how long after you used pheros when you noticed a “buzz”? I’m new to phero. My first order (first ever) will be arriving in sometime this week. I want to know how long did you use phero until you actually recognized the initial affects. And how long after you used it until you noticed a “buzz”?

[toilofday]

I can’t say for Gegogi, but I get a head rush almost every time I put on pheromones. I recognized the effects after a few days. I had to figure out what they were doing exactly.

[Gegogi]

The “buzz” came on within a minute or so. Sort of edgy but an ultra up feeling. Kinda of like the rush you get before going on stage. It lasted for a few months but gradually faded away. Of course you’ll need increasing amounts to continue feeling the buzz. Probably my daily pheromone use resulted in tolerance or insensitivity. Incidentally the stage rush fades for me if I do it everyday as well. Even sex gets boring if you do it too much or with the same person…

Anywho, if I need a buzz, I can drink a couple beers or hit da bong. I use pheromones to enhance my persona in my professional and personal life, not to get stoned!

[dma]

Any advice appreciated – – the long anticipated package arrives tomorrow with A314, Turn Up The Heat and Instant Female Magic – and although I am eager to test this mix on a certain young lady who has shown lots of positive signals to the Pheroline I’ve been wearing – but I’m concerned to use too much, too soon.

I’ve just read a field report that A314 alone is enough to cause some women to become distracted and preoccupied with their hair, focusing intently on the object of their attention (the man wearing A314) etc., etc.

Since there’s already a dynamic at play here – I’m wondering whether or not the use of any or all three too soon will wind up being confusing to the point of distraction? In other words – there’s an attraction I’ve been cultivating – do any of you see a possibility that she’ll be so “confused” by what might be a primal reaction to the pheromones that it may cause her to stop dead in her tracks and question what’s happening inside her head?

I’m thinking it’s best to go slow … and I’m also thinking that 3 out of 4 that reply (especially the ladies) will say that’s good thinking.

If I do go slow … what to start with first? IFM? A314 and IFM? I’ll put the TUTH in the drawer for the weekend.

Again - - any advice or tips appreciated!

dma

[toilofday]

She has already been exposed to pheromones, so I doubt you will realy make her question what is going on.

You are right about taking a slow pace with your products, especialy with a314 and turn up the heat. a314 has a tendancy to be very professional and therefor standoffish. You are giving out the signiture of somebody like donald trump, bill gates, a prince or king which can be intimidating. (the latter example regarding higher doses). Turn up the heat can be very inticing, but if worn in to much quantity can create agrivation. Agrivation can even occur at normal doses depending on the female, situation, and her ovulation. Turn up the heat is a pretty club intesive product, and generaly should be reserved for that, as a314 is business related and should generly be left for work.

It is important to know your age. The older you are the less androstenone you produce, therefore you can pull off turn up the heat and a314 in higher doses and at times in improper settings.

Instant female magic seems to be your best bet to start with. It’s not offensive, and it’s not to professional/excessivly dhv. Turn up the heat is still an option, but you must be sure she’s going to be receptive. If you go out to a bar some weekend, put 1 spray of turn up the heat (there again, age dependant. (18-24 1/2 to 1 spray and 2 max if smokey or not favorable for pheromone dispursement such as mass crowds, wind, excessive ventalation, food smells) (older ages 2-5 sprays from age 25-50+ being progressive dose with age)

Some people dab a little on their upper lip to create more passionate kissing, and blow pheromones on their target while talking (good idea)

You could also apply turn up the heat if thing start to get a little heated. Go to the bathroom and put on a spray to push things a little further.

You could potential where turn up the heat on a date, but i’d make sure it wasn’t a first date. Perhaps the thrid date.

A314 can be used for dating, clubs, but most people apply a dab under their nose for confidence and some behind their ears. 1 drop seems to be a max for anything not business related. I use it in many of my mixes, even the dating/prowling ones. I use at max 1 drop and 1/2 of that is under my nose. Most of the time I get 1/2 a drop on my finger by touching the cap before a whole drop forms. I generaly apply 70 % of this to my upper lip or chin.

Use what you have, but be careful with the situations and environments.

[Gegogi]

A314 has a tendancy to be very professional and therefor standoffish. You are giving out the signiture of somebody like donald trump, bill gates, a prince or king which can be intimidating. (the latter example regarding higher doses).

Hmm, I think he has to try it to know for sure. My experience with A314 is it increases target friendliness, comfort and sociability. And this was with 4-6 dabs. It especially seems to encourage intimate conversation, sharing of personal secrets and a certain boldness on the part of women, e.g., they’ll ask you out they feel so comfortable. I’m treated with friendly respect but there is nothing standoffish in any of the interactions with my colleagues, students, friends or strangers. Of course it may be helpful that I have an extremely mellow and friendly persona.

Incidentally I have worn mixes with heavy amounts of androsterone (A314 is mostly rone) and experienced similar reactions. I think of it as a “peaceful alpha” vibe. If you want standoffish add a massive dose of androstenone (via PI, NPA or chemset) and watch the fur fly!

Of course I’m a 52 year Asian college professor and probably totally androstenone deficient. Perhaps a young buck might don A314 and find their natural pheromone signature has enough androstenone to create more of a badass vibe. No worries for those over 40. We need androstenone replacement therapy.

[toilofday]

I want your results lol. I’ve noticed at 2-3 drops that people won’t make eye contact, and tend to not talk to me. 1 drop is normaly ok for me.

@Gegogi

Hmm, I think he has to try it to know for sure. My experience with A314 is it increases target friendliness, comfort and sociability. And this was with 4-6 dabs. It especially seems to encourage intimate conversation, sharing of personal secrets and a certain boldness on the part of women, e.g., they’ll ask you out they feel so comfortable. I’m treated with friendly respect but there is nothing standoffish in any of the interactions with my colleagues, students, friends or strangers. Of course it may be helpful that I have an extremely mellow and friendly persona.

Incidentally I have worn mixes with heavy amounts of androsterone (A314 is mostly Androsterone) and experienced similar reactions. I think of it as a “peaceful alpha” vibe. If you want standoffish add a massive dose of androstenone (via Primal Instinct, NPA or chemset) and watch the fur fly!

Of course I’m a 52 year Asian college professor and probably totally androstenone deficient. Perhaps a young buck might don A314 and find their natural pheromone signature has enough androstenone to create more of a badass vibe. No worries for those over 40. We need androstenone replacement therapy.

[dma]

Thanks for the thoughtful replies.

“We need androstenone replacement therapy.” Hah! I’m trailing you by a few years – but that made a lot of sense.

I’ll definitely be posting field reports and let you know how it goes. From other things I’ve read in the forum, I’m certain I’ll also have to augment my approach with other phero signatures as well.

Thanks again, guys!

[Sherid]

Geoggi is right … The buzz doesnt last forever … Just if you are new to the phermones It will work for sometime and fades away ..

You cant wear the same product everyday and expect yourself … to get aggressive and stuff … You will get used to it and it wont have any much effect on yourself anymore …

Probably you can take few days off to get the same result again … But then the best is if you can use phermones to effect other people rather then yourself … I burned my hands a lot time trying to get the same charged up feeling everyday … My tolerance level kept increase and I kept increasing the dose .. till I was messing up stuff around me. Too much of OD effect … PPL start to ignore you suddenly .. and you then start to get into negative mode .. depression … headache and so forth ..

PLay smart tho … Make the products work for you .. rather making it work on you …

[PheroQuirk]

@dma

I’m much more more aggressive – aware of my surroundings – and completely aware of the women around me.

Angry faces get noticed quickly: Threat detection is not impaired among older adults

Is this what none is doing maybe? Amping up vigilance by suggesting presence of a threat?

[dma]

For me, it’s certainly not a ‘threat assessment’ vibe that I’m getting from the first batch – if anything, it’s the other way around. I’d be more of a threat to the alphas in my path.

Package arrived safely and the real testing and experiments can begin now. My first experience with 'nones was another company’s product. I will try and build slowly and not mix too much at first – but then my order only included three products (and a free sample – thanks, guys!).

I like the smell of the first product I got (Pheroline, containing Androstenone, alpha-Androstenol and Androstadienone.)

So I thinik I need to be very, very careful mixing any of this with the TUTH that arrived today or I’ll OD for sure.

Had a nice trip to the mall over lunch – several nibbles, but it’s too soon to say with any certainty that the spritz and a half of IFM I applied before I left the office had the two hired guns as attentive as they were. Typically, I just chalk that up to being good at their jobs.

Thanks again, folks – this should be fun.

[toilofday]

I don’t recall this being mentioned, but does anybody become anxious, or have an increase in anxiety as the pheromones die off completely. I put on

3 mx211 chest, tops of hands
25mcg betanol arms, chest
2.5mcg –non chest
1 shine front neck
.75 drop A314 nose, back neck
2 5x copulins belly button, chest, then rubbed on wrists after dry down of everything. So my wrists also contained some small amount of –none. I smelled to check, and they transferred.

and roughly 4.5 to 5 hours later I felt an increase in my anxiety.

I’m not sure if it’s the pheromones, as there are other circumstances that could have plaid a role in the situation. Perhaps the pheromones wearing off increased this effect (like a sort of withdraw).

[PheroQuirk]

@dma

For me, it’s certainly not a ‘threat assessment’ vibe that I’m getting from the first batch – if anything, it’s the other way around. I’d be more of a threat to the alphas in my path.

Perhaps the emphasis should be less on threat assessment and more on an amping up of vigilance and the sympathetic branch of the autonomic nervous system. It might not be a good thing over time to permanently have this activated.

@Wikipedia Fight or Flight

Psychology of the stress response

A typical example of the stress response is a grazing zebra, calmly maintaining homeostasis. If the zebra sees a lion closing in for the kill, the stress response is activated. The escape requires intense muscular effort, supported by all of the body’s systems. The sympathetic nervous system’s activation provides for these needs. A similar example involving fight is of a cat about to be attacked by a dog. The cat shows accelerated heartbeat, piloerection (hair standing on end, normally for conservation of heat), and pupil dilation, all signs of sympathetic arousal.

Though Cannon, who first proposed the idea of fight-or-flight, provided considerable evidence of these responses in various animals, it subsequently became apparent that his theory of response was too simplistic. Animals respond to threats in many ways, not only by fighting and fleeing. Rats, for instance, try to escape when threatened, but will fight when cornered. Some animals stand perfectly still so that predators will not see them. Others have more exotic self-protection methods. Some species of fish change color swiftly, to camouflage themselves. Although these responses are triggered by the sympathetic nervous system, they do not fit the simple model of fight or flight. The only thing that would generate the fight method in these animals would be the law of self-preservation. This means that if the animal was attacked while camouflaged, it would instinctively counter-attack its assailant.

Furthermore, it is relatively rare that a threat from another animal results immediately in fight or flight. Usually there is a period of heightened awareness, during which each animal interprets behavioral signals from the other. Signs such as paling, piloerection, immobility, sounds, and body language communicate the status and intentions of each animal. There may be a sort of negotiation, after which fight or flight may ensue, but which might also result in playing, mating, or nothing at all. An example of this is kittens playing: each kitten shows the signs of sympathetic arousal, but they are aware of each other’s intent not to inflict real damage.

[PheroQuirk]

@toilofday

I don’t recall this being mentioned, but does anybody become anxious, or have an increase in anxiety as the pheromones die off completely. I put on

3 mx211 chest, tops of hands
25mcg betanol arms, chest
2.5mcg –non chest
1 shine front neck
.75 drop A314 nose, back neck
2 5x copulins belly button, chest, then rubbed on wrists after dry down of everything. So my wrists also contained some small amount of –none. I smelled to check, and they transferred.

and roughly 4.5 to 5 hours later I felt an increase in my anxiety.

I’m not sure if it’s the pheromones, as there are other circumstances that could have plaid a role in the situation. Perhaps the pheromones wearing off increased this effect (like a sort of withdraw).

None will stick around much longer than the other, mellowing components…

[Socrates]

@PheroQuirk

Perhaps the emphasis should be less on threat assessment and more on an amping up of vigilance and the sympathetic branch of the autonomic nervous system. It might not be a good thing over time to permanently have this activated.

Yes I think -None does this alright. I believe that is why it is not a good idea to wear -None around people all the time (well unless you are Gegogi and have a mellow persona/look). When you increase people’s vigilance all the time, it is causing them stress. There is going to be some kind of payback for this stress which can add to the aggression inherent I think in wearing Androstenone.

@Gegogi

Of course I’m a 52 year Asian college professor and probably totally androstenone deficient. Perhaps a young buck might don A314 and find their natural pheromone signature has enough androstenone to create more of a badass vibe. No worries for those over 40. We need androstenone replacement therapy.

I know what you are saying but I believe plenty of men who are over 40 cannot wear much Androstenone and some young bucks can get away with plenty. It depends on people’s looks, personas, etc. Im a 28 yo with sharp, dark features, look angry when I’m not smiling, and generally have a serious/intense manner. Now I definitely produce little to no Androstenone naturally as per reactions I get when I wear no synthetic mones at all. Yet wearing synthetic -None in most places is far more hassle than it is worth for me. Now nothing short of a personality transplant and facial cosmetic surgery is going to allow me to get away with wearing Androstenone daily.

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