Androtics Product Chart Reference Table / Super-Reference Manual by bigbadstud

[bigbadstud]

Hey guys. I spent some time researching Pherotalk and found some great pages of reference materials and pheromone product usage aids, but none looked quite the way I would have liked them to, and even then it took a while to find all the items I was looking for because they were scattered all throughout the forums. So I pieced together a few of my favorite references talking about some of the best pheromones to use and links to advanced product usage like Putatives, Mixes, and Molecules.

So here are my favorite reference pages in no particular order:

Basic Noob Phero Bootcamp
Phero Color Chart by MuskCloud
Ladies, I give you the Female Phero Color Chart by MuskCloud
The Snook’s big book o’ pheros for rookies
My Pherocios Findings-The Journal Of JesseJester
spreadsheet summarising putatives & MX

And now for possibly the mack daddy of all charts and graphs (they say a picture is worth a thousand words)… I went ahead and tried to condense and summarize all the data I went through based on those above links in an easy to read format. This was inspired by MuskCloud’s Color Chart and also is trying to emulate a Periodic Table of Elements even though I doubt pheromones are anything but periodic and predictable. (Sorry to the ladies that this version of the chart is oriented more toward the male pheromone products).

If you can’t see the thumbnail at the bottom here’s some back up links:

Table of Androtics picture at MediaFire
Table of Androtics pictureat FileFactory (backup links)
Table of Androtics picture at FileDen (backup links)
Table of Androtics picture at Fileqube (backup links)

A few notes: I created this using Macromedia Flash MX 6.0 and have a provide a link to the original document to allow other pheromone scientists and researchers to modify this if they want. The reason I used Flash is it allows you to easily draw the chart, make the products into symbols, and drag and drop pieces of the chart as you wish. If you use it please give me credit. Note the table is primarily focused on Androtics products, but some “clever munky” can probably follow the same concepts for other products.

Link 1: Phero_chart.fla from Mediafire
Link 2: Phero_chart.fla from FileFactory
Link 3: Phero_chart.fla from FileDen
Link 4: Phero_chart.fla from Fileqube

Notes on chart colors as relating to usage:
I tried to think of this as a scientist would and also make the chart useful for people trying to figure out how to use a product. Basically I took into consideration the very popular and effective Mystery Method of getting women and so you would basically go through three main steps to get the woman of your choice. First you start with attracting, move to comfort, and finally go in for the kill (seduction). Which by the the colors (which also by the way I borrowed heavily from MuskCloud’s chart to be consistent) you’d be going from blue to green to yellow to red or progress steadily to hotter colors. And even though the blue is kind of business-y, I’d say it also means you have a respectable alpha confident vibe which means that girls that you are trying to get will find you as someone with high value and find you interesting or worth getting to know.

I also subdivided the chart into most popular products and used most of the conventional labeling and abbreviations used on the forum. The only two that may be new are SPL which I used for Spaceland and MB for Mystery Boy and these were left colorless to indicate little data on best usage. If there is a general consensus on how to use these or other products which I left off, feel free to update the chart.

Additional notes on scientific formatting (my personal thoughts):
Here are some abbreviations that I use and hope makes logical sense and hopefully others might think about using.

Alpha Androstenone = a-N
Alpha Androstenol = a-l
Beta Androstenol = b-l
Test Molecule A = TAA
Androstadienone = D
Androsterone= R
Copulin = cp

Thus the following products can be summarized below based on the type of pheromone which is known to be in greatest concentration in the product.
A314: R
Ammo: N
CTTM2: a/b-l
IFM: D
IG: R
IH: b-l
IJ: N + cp
IO: a-l
IS: TAA
MB:
SpL: a-l
TUTH: N

Example Shorthand:
Catlord17’s recipe for Liquid Lust=
8 sprays CTTM
4 sprays IS
2 Sprays Copulins
1 drop A314
This translates to 8CTTM + 4IS +2Copulins +1A314
or 8a/b-l +4TAA + 2cp + 1R
So maybe I ought to revise my short hand for alpha beta -ol
to ab-l
So that would be 8ab-l+4TAA+2cp+1R.
Or just aL or bL for alpha-ol and beta-ol.

Again these are just my thoughts to help keep posts concise and accurate and the above shorthand is mostly just for fun and amusement (not like we’ll actually gonna make invent any new concoctions… although you never know). Please feel free to comment or add your thoughts or revise as necessary. Apparently I have too much time on my hands and had chemistry on the brain during this weekend of writing.

Addendum: Added an extra graph for your viewing pleasure which I’ll call the Relationship TriWheel for lack of better name. This is my theory also based heavily on Mystery’s M3 Model. The graph is basically a pyramid with 3 major usage points for how people react to others. Hopefully this isn’t oversimplified, but the three primary colors can be mixed together to form an additional type of relationship model. For example: the red is very sexual and the blue represents respect. When you combine these two you get attraction. Thus Respect + Sexual = Attraction in my model. And you could adapt this to pheromone usage as possibly something like A314 + maybe something like intensifier putative P79 to get a slight attraction instead of full blown TUTH which possibly still might lead to attraction albeit probably way too intensely for intial stages of a relationship. Again disclaimer, these are my own consolidation of others reports & models so I haven’t done any empirical research on these.

[Mco-gnv]

Wow, what a very in depth post. Thanks a lot, theres a bunch of information here for all of us!

Rep and Nominated.

Cheers,

-mco;

[djandarial]

I am reviewing your information. Will get back to you.

[djandarial]

I am not sure this information is completely correct, to not be harsh, the dissection of the androtics products are reduced to main ingredients where these are complex formulas for products.

IE. A314 is not just -RONE. It is a finely tuned phero mix that has many levels.

Furthermore, While the Mystery Method is somewhat sound, there is many more things that are not filled in with his workshops and what not. He is not the defining person of pickup.

This is a good start, but I suggest after you use these products reevaluate what you have written.

These products have layers as some components of the mix’s wear off, It time-shifts. This is crucial and must be kept in mind.

Overall: Nice start, but needs research on your part.

-DJ

[mikotorocks714]

Since you seem more informed on all of these products, I’d like to see you give this chart a try instead of giving the OP tips. I think I’d enjoy seeing this chart (or a chart like this) from your point of view since you know what you’re talking about. That’d be cool.

@djandarial

I am not sure this information is completely correct, to not be harsh, the dissection of the androtics products are reduced to main ingredients where these are complex formulas for products.

IE. A314 is not just -RONE. It is a finely tuned phero mix that has many levels.

Furthermore, While the Mystery Method is somewhat sound, there is many more things that are not filled in with his workshops and what not. He is not the defining person of pickup.

This is a good start, but I suggest after you use these products reevaluate what you have written.

These products have layers as some components of the mix’s wear off, It time-shifts. This is crucial and must be kept in mind.

Overall: Nice start, but needs research on your part.

-DJ

[djandarial]

@mikotorocks714

Since you seem more informed on all of these products, I’d like to see you give this chart a try instead of giving the OP tips. I think I’d enjoy seeing this chart (or a chart like this) from your point of view since you know what you’re talking about. That’d be cool.

I do not believe even myself is qualified enough to toss up a definitive chart as this one depicts for all the products listed.

I have individually posted for all products I have tested for the exception of three, and only one I have not tried, that would be the raw power oil. I have it, but have not had a chance… been subbing TUTH for the -none component rather that RPoil.

[mikotorocks714]

Don’t be silly my good pal, a users point of view of products doesn’t hurt. It gives new users a slight idea even though they may not be 100% right, but that’s kind of like saying the OP spent his time doing this chart for nothing since he may not be “qualified enough.”

Good chart nonetheless, I’m sure it must have taken a good amount of your time to do.

@djandarial

I do not believe even myself is qualified enough to toss up a definitive chart as this one depicts for all the products listed.

[catlord17]

I see some “errirs” in your chart. On top of the fact that making the pheros one dimensional when many of them are not, you are attempting to reduce each product to it’s primary molecule (it seems).

This could be of interest as a basic guide, but it is too “one dimensional” to be useful as it stands.

For instance, my research shows that P80 is not necessarily one that is primarily “business”. I thought it was very sexual. (Perhaps not enough research on my part, to be fair.)

Putatives are not intensifiers, they are putatives - that is, “potential pheromones”.

You list IH and IH as “LTR/Dating”, but CTTM2 as “social”, when as far as I know, they are all primarily social.

Here’s an example of what I mean by too “one dimensional”:

Ammo is social, sexual, and good for dating.

IH is good for social and LTR/Dating.

TUTH is good for sexual, but it also takes on a bit of social because it gets respect, which opens the doors to conversations with other people in a lot of cases.

A314 is way way more than just androsterone, and it is social, LTR/Dating and business when used at the right levels and in the right ways.

IFM is social and LTR/Dating too… (Ever worn it around the ladies by itself? Makes conversations easy.) And if you happen to work with women… BING! Business.

And so on. This is a good start, but keep going - you’re not done yet!

[marty]

While I respect the work that went into this, I just don’t think a chart really accurately can sum up the complexities in any specific mix.

business, social, Ltr, sexual? lumped categories like that just don’t work. Most of these mixes blur those categories depending on the preference and use of the wearer.

Then even considering “single” molecules which pretty much fall into all categories simultaneously, depending on how they are used.

I just don’t believe you can graphically present the purpose of a mix in any way. There’s just too much going on, and I think that this will misguide people. I think maybe a guide would be useful, but I feel text descriptions are the only way to go.

edit: catlord covered most of what I was going to say, and more elegantly too.

[Mco-gnv]

to be fair i havent tried half of these, and was assuming he knew better than i if he went out of his way to make this list…

[catlord17]

@marty

While I respect the work that went into this, I just don’t think a chart really accurately can sum up the complexities in any specific mix.

business, social, Ltr, sexual? lumped categories like that just don’t work. Most of these mixes blur those categories depending on the preference and use of the wearer.

Then even considering “single” molecules which pretty much fall into all categories simultaneously, depending on how they are used.

I just don’t believe you can graphically present the purpose of a mix in any way. There’s just too much going on, and I think that this will misguide people. I think maybe a guide would be useful, but I feel text descriptions are the only way to go.

edit: catlord covered most of what I was going to say, and more elegantly too.

And you bring up some very important points as well.

[bigbadstud]

Ah, good… maybe I can get some good discussion going. And while this is by no means 100% dead on or comprehensive, it’s an attempt at classification to make sense of the sheer amount of data out there, even if it is a reduction to simplest form or reductio ad absurdum… And maybe it’ll give another option to call alpha androstenol something other than

Anol

. heh heh. This is why I threw this up there… to learn in the process as a side effect.
And just like the Periodic Table of Elements doesn’t describe every aspect of each individual element, I was hoping for a general guide to describe general characteristics and similar attributes and what can be paired with what. Like alkali metals all have similar attributes and predictable behavior just as noble gases do. But the Periodic Table doesn’t let you know that even though Oxygen is in the same column as Silicon that Oxygen is in a gaseous state at room temperature while Silicon is solid. Similarly Zinc (solid metal) and Mercury (liquid metal) Although this could be like comparing apples to bowling balls.
Also I did realize that the pheromones are complex mixes, but needed some simple way of classifying these things and based the chart primarily off the main component and potentially most intense usage as per others research.

[djandarial]

@Mco-gnv

to be fair i havent tried half of these, and was assuming he knew better than i if he went out of his way to make this list…

That is the very misconception I do not want to see on this board.

Not being mean, but this thread should have been phrased as “Am I on the right track” Rather than “Super-Reference Manual”

[djandarial]

" reductio ad absurdum" ::: “Reduction to the Ridiculous / Absurd”

You latin needs work as well hehe

“”-Alpha Androstenol “”

We call it A-nol, Anol, or in the group of a/b Nols the “Nols”

the rename system is tagging my text…

(no dots) A.n.o.l. , A.-n.o.l.

[happykitsune]

I like this. I have the chart picture as my wallpaper for reference.
I see some errors, but nothing we can’t all pitch in to fix. We are, after all, still learning everyday about the different things each phero can do for us.

Great work

[Vangelis]

@happykitsune

I see some errors, but nothing we can’t all pitch in to fix. We are, after all, still learning everyday about the different things each phero can do for us.
Great work

I agree, bravo for the effort. Even though, I agree the title is to pretentious at this point but is a good start and a commendable aim. Above all you are getting people to react. Use their feedback to improve your work and you will continue to receive more advice about it.

I loved your charts and the Google doc you referenced allows for editing, add missing information and correct any misconception; if anyone cares adding stuff to that one.

I guess we might never have a complete picture of anything “the map is not the territory”. As long as we keep on sight that everything is just an approximation or a representation of reality I can see this becoming a useful tool if you keep perfecting it.

[PheroQuirk]

link to putatives and mixes below. might not have been updated for a while, but feel free to suggest additions.

[happykitsune]

@Vangelis

I agree, bravo for the effort. Even though, I agree the title is to pretentious at this point but is a good start and a commendable aim. Above all you are getting people to react. Use their feedback to improve your work and you will continue to receive more advice about it.

I loved your charts and the Google doc you referenced allows for editing, add missing information and correct any misconception; if anyone cares adding stuff to that one.

I guess we might never have a complete picture of anything “the map is not the territory”. As long as we keep on sight that everything is just an approximation or a representation of reality I can see this becoming a useful tool if you keep perfecting it.

I love your picture

[morrisraam]

This is exactly what I have been looking for … I will order my mones and give you my feed back … whooo hooo!

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@bigbadstud

Hey guys. I spent some time researching Pherotalk and found some great pages of reference materials and pheromone product usage aids, but none looked quite the way I would have liked them to, and even then it took a while to find all the items I was looking for because they were scattered all throughout the forums. So I pieced together a few of my favorite references talking about some of the best pheromones to use and links to advanced product usage like Putatives, Mixes, and Molecules.

So here are my favorite reference pages in no particular order:

Basic Noob Phero Bootcamp
Phero Color Chart by MuskCloud
Ladies, I give you the Female Phero Color Chart by MuskCloud
The Snook’s big book o’ pheros for rookies
My Pherocios Findings-The Journal Of JesseJester
spreadsheet summarising putatives & MX

And now for possibly the mack daddy of all charts and graphs (they say a picture is worth a thousand words)… I went ahead and tried to condense and summarize all the data I went through based on those above links in an easy to read format. This was inspired by MuskCloud’s Color Chart and also is trying to emulate a Periodic Table of Elements even though I doubt pheromones are anything but periodic and predictable. (Sorry to the ladies that this version of the chart is oriented more toward the male pheromone products).

If you can’t see the thumbnail at the bottom here’s some back up links:

Table of Androtics picture at MediaFire
Table of Androtics pictureat FileFactory (backup links)
Table of Androtics picture at FileDen (backup links)
Table of Androtics picture at Fileqube (backup links)

A few notes: I created this using Macromedia Flash MX 6.0 and have a provide a link to the original document to allow other pheromone scientists and researchers to modify this if they want. The reason I used Flash is it allows you to easily draw the chart, make the products into symbols, and drag and drop pieces of the chart as you wish. If you use it please give me credit. Note the table is primarily focused on Androtics products, but some “clever munky” can probably follow the same concepts for other products.

Link 1: Phero_chart.fla from Mediafire
Link 2: Phero_chart.fla from FileFactory
Link 3: Phero_chart.fla from FileDen
Link 4: Phero_chart.fla from Fileqube

Notes on chart colors as relating to usage:
I tried to think of this as a scientist would and also make the chart useful for people trying to figure out how to use a product. Basically I took into consideration the very popular and effective Mystery Method of getting women and so you would basically go through three main steps to get the woman of your choice. First you start with attracting, move to comfort, and finally go in for the kill (seduction). Which by the the colors (which also by the way I borrowed heavily from MuskCloud’s chart to be consistent) you’d be going from blue to green to yellow to red or progress steadily to hotter colors. And even though the blue is kind of business-y, I’d say it also means you have a respectable alpha confident vibe which means that girls that you are trying to get will find you as someone with high value and find you interesting or worth getting to know.

I also subdivided the chart into most popular products and used most of the conventional labeling and abbreviations used on the forum. The only two that may be new are SPL which I used for Spaceland and MB for Mystery Boy and these were left colorless to indicate little data on best usage. If there is a general consensus on how to use these or other products which I left off, feel free to update the chart.

Additional notes on scientific formatting (my personal thoughts):
Here are some abbreviations that I use and hope makes logical sense and hopefully others might think about using.

Alpha Androstenone = a-N
Alpha Androstenol = a-l
Beta Androstenol = b-l
Test Molecule A = TAA
Androstadienone = D
Androsterone= R
Copulin = cp

Thus the following products can be summarized below based on the type of pheromone which is known to be in greatest concentration in the product.
A314: R
Ammo: N
CTTM2: a/b-l
IFM: D
IG: R
IH: b-l
IJ: N + cp
IO: a-l
IS: TAA
MB:
SpL: a-l
TUTH: N

Example Shorthand:
Catlord17’s recipe for Liquid Lust=
8 sprays CTTM
4 sprays IS
2 Sprays Copulins
1 drop A314
This translates to 8CTTM + 4IS +2Copulins +1A314
or 8a/b-l +4TAA + 2cp + 1R
So maybe I ought to revise my short hand for alpha beta -ol
to ab-l
So that would be 8ab-l+4TAA+2cp+1R.
Or just aL or bL for alpha-ol and beta-ol.

Again these are just my thoughts to help keep posts concise and accurate and the above shorthand is mostly just for fun and amusement (not like we’ll actually gonna make invent any new concoctions… although you never know). Please feel free to comment or add your thoughts or revise as necessary. Apparently I have too much time on my hands and had chemistry on the brain during this weekend of writing.

Addendum: Added an extra graph for your viewing pleasure which I’ll call the Relationship TriWheel for lack of better name. This is my theory also based heavily on Mystery’s M3 Model. The graph is basically a pyramid with 3 major usage points for how people react to others. Hopefully this isn’t oversimplified, but the three primary colors can be mixed together to form an additional type of relationship model. For example: the red is very sexual and the blue represents respect. When you combine these two you get attraction. Thus Respect + Sexual = Attraction in my model. And you could adapt this to pheromone usage as possibly something like A314 + maybe something like intensifier putative P79 to get a slight attraction instead of full blown TUTH which possibly still might lead to attraction albeit probably way too intensely for intial stages of a relationship. Again disclaimer, these are my own consolidation of others reports & models so I haven’t done any empirical research on these.

[Maidenfan01]

One thing I don’t like is how IG is grouped as social.
With my use of it I can see it as a great dating/LTR product just as much as I can see A314 that way. Overall it looks like this chart could be very useful!