I took an empty ( except for a skerrick) mx bottle,
added 1ml of perfumers alcohol with about 5%dpg
Well, we can’t even begin to offer any theories without more information. First, a skerrick of what? (Also, I’d never heard that word before, so thank you for increasing my vocabulary.) What were the concentrations of all the other molecules? Do you have any idea of the volume of the drops of A1, clarey sage, and neroli? With some molecules, such as androstenone, small differences in concentration can manifest as significantly different results, so I highly doubt we can help you much in this case, since you probably can’t tell us the exact amount of each molecule that is in the mix. Really the best thing you can do to figure out what it does is test it out yourself for a while and report back your results. Did you have a particular goal in mind with this mix, or were you just throwing things together out of curiosity? I’m sorry I can’t be more help.
Please read the posts about how to mix. You are meant to spray them on like a palette, not pour them together into a bottle.
That being said, you should test things yourself before asking for theory or opinions, otherwise you risk placebo effect from what people have said.
John, what is your logic here? I know that MHarris and others have suggested layering as the proper way to mix, but you sound like you think that mixing them in a bottle isn’t a valid technique at all, though many users do this. For a simple experiment for which you aren’t sure of the potential results, layering makes a lot of sense. You don’t want to mix up a while bottle of something that might have little or adverse effects. But what about when you find something that does work very well? Mixing in a bottle seems like it would provide a more homogeneous and consistent application. If you layer, you will almost definitely have more of some molecules on certain application points, but mixing allows for each molecule to be spread evenly over every application point.
Sheesh, many Androtics come premixed in a bottle. Otherwise they’d being selling Ammo as separate bottles of androstenone, androsterone and androstenol for users to “layer.” I’ve gotten the best results with Stone Labs A1 diluted, not straight from the bottle and layered. Mixing with alcohol (or cologne) increases the surface area of the application, thereby improving diffusion. EOW also is best used mixed and diluted. Some of us have been mixing longer than Androtics has been in business and enjoy the creation of homebrew.
I do rough mixes with drops on skin and, when I hit on a combo/ratio that works for me, I mix a small amount of chemset components in a bottle for ease/speed of application, note results and refine from there. At any one time I have at least a half dozen mixes in Sephora atomizers, ready to use while on the run.
I’d drop the clarey sage unless you like smelling like a damn new age hippie or Grateful Dead fan…
I’ve wondered this myself, as say for example IJ is 15 mcg of mones per spray…if I were to pour that into a 30ml bottle of either straight PA or some other products until I totalled 30 ml then I’d have 1/6th strength or 2.5 mcg per spray of Jerk. I would of course have to let it set for a few days to a week or so in order to make sure the molecules become a solution and the mix is evenly distributed in the liquid carrier but it’s not like pouring grape and strawberry coolaid in the same glass results in to different colored liquids like a lava lamp.
Are your chemset at a higher concentration? Just curious if you put in more PA/Cologne to compensate for the dilution.
hey hey , thanks for the replies. The goal is to produce a one shot wonder , the target being a smoother passage through the world, and the fun and attention of a great result. maybe a cross between female magic and the magnet effects of the original lure series.I intent to play with the amounts of taa and a1 , sort of tune it in if you like. I know mixing on the skin is probably a better way, but I enjoy playing with this stuff.
Het thanks,the mx was 353 and skerick is a word i just made up, sort of a bit smaller than a poofteenth. First test was out and about , nothing dramatic, but it smells nice and makes me feel pretty good,so thats the best start!
for the second test i put in .05ml more a1 and .05 ml taa. results were a lot of really nice happy conversation with a group of older women who generally are not so open.Not dramatic enough to be really enetertaining tho …hmm
Hey Simple Franky,
That is still way too much A1!. For a 5ml spray bottle you will only need 2 drops of the full dose of A1. 3 drops if you want to get a noticeable scent after 8 hours. Anything more and you would be wasting the precious A1.
ODG
Please see what MHarris has said, its been mentioned quite a bit:
I don’t pretend to be some chemistry expert, but I do know from personal experience that MHarris knows what he’s talking about and was the one who is behind most of the products here you enjoy.
When you mix everything into a bottle (I’m not talking about diluting your own product) then you are stuck with that mix. You have to get all new product to test something else if it isn’t up to par. That is quite a waste. Adding a perfume or fragrance to a product can also affect the chemical make-up or dosage you are getting. When we make mixes, there is a lot of calibration of equipment and spot-checking of our tools. I would say that trusting our lab would be far more consistent than trying to mix things in a bottle, especially if it means the person could be wasting expensive molecules we sold on a loss so that they could test them.
Example:
Say I have a 25 mcg/spray bottle of P96 (5mL/neroli) and a 50mcg/spray bottle of P103 (5mL/neroli) and MX297 and some Armani Code.
If I take 5 mL of the P96, 5mL of the P103, add some Armani code, then pour in more alcohol to fill the rest of the bottle - thats what I’m stuck with. If the Armani Code has a chemical in it that destroys the molecules over time? Also bad. If you find a great mix but didn’t test it with the trusted system the experimones were designed to be tested with? Its useless to us unless tested properly.
I can’t vouch for anybody else’s product, however keep in mind that you don’t actually know our complete production process so as far as saying that “Ammo” comes pre-mixed, thats like saying: “Well, I bought a car and it came pre-built so if I build my own car it will be the same exact thing.”
You could be a master chemist who has created a formula that cures cancer, removes wine stains from white sheets, and when poured into your car completely turns it into a 250 mph machine with 500mpg… but there is no way to guarantee that anybody who has mixed up experimones/etc into their own bottle with so many different things can even provide close to accurate data for research.
Also, the products we create aren’t simply mixed as you so suggest - yes they are “premixed” when you get them, but if you want consistent and accurate dosages, etc. I wouldn’t try mixing it with anything yourself, its just not how its designed.
Reports eligible for reporting user status are going to have to get stricter for us to keep affording to do it, so I hope people understand the full parameters of how to use the Experimones/Putatives. We can’t trust blind data like: “I am good at chemistry, I poured some things together from my to-go bottles and added some CK One”. I am sure you guys know what you’re doing, etc. But its just not how the product is designed so we can’t use that data. The only way to ensure that the product was applied/used/etc the same across the board is that if its layered.
Not that this mix is even close to eligible since it includes A1.
Question - by the way - do you know the precise dosage applied from Sephora atomizers and if it is exactly to the specs of our atomizers? Serious question, I’ve never used them so I am a bit curious now if you realize that not all atomizers are the same dosage.
Happy testing!
John Sebastian
PS: I am working on a project that is relevant to this (mixing, RU, etc.), its kind of funny that its been mentioned here in this thread.
If you want to play with the amounts then you are wasting your time mixing things together. You wont be able to dial down things only add to it.
You’re also wasting precious molecules, some of which may in a rolling blackout soon and that we sell at a loss so that we can encourage data gathering.
I know its fun to mix things together, but personally I get that out of my system by mixing drinks or baking cupcakes. (Yes cupcakes, lay off 
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From the mix its clear you seem to be very new at the whole concept of making a mix, I would read the post I linked to (see my last post) about making a mix and why layering is the right way.
Are you speaking about molecules in general when mixing in this fashion, or are you implying that specific molecules he mentioned (TAA, P83, androstenone) may be subject to an impending rolling blackout? Also, what makes these blackouts roll? Why aren’t they just normal blackouts?
I expect a cupcake with my next order. 