Any predictions as to what may be the effect

[John_Sebastian]

@Vespero

John, what is your logic here? I know that MHarris and others have suggested layering as the proper way to mix, but you sound like you think that mixing them in a bottle isn’t a valid technique at all, though many users do this. For a simple experiment for which you aren’t sure of the potential results, layering makes a lot of sense. You don’t want to mix up a while bottle of something that might have little or adverse effects. But what about when you find something that does work very well? Mixing in a bottle seems like it would provide a more homogeneous and consistent application. If you layer, you will almost definitely have more of some molecules on certain application points, but mixing allows for each molecule to be spread evenly over every application point.

Please see what MHarris has said, its been mentioned quite a bit:

Your Skin is a Pheromone Mixing Canvas

July 24th, 2009, 02:01 PM In the late 90s, with Erox advertising heavily on the radio, I first tried these products. I had always written off pheromones as much as I would astrology (bad astrology from carnies, anyway), but I figured if they were spending so much to advertise such a product, it might be worth a shot. And hey, it’s even available in normal department stores. I don’t have to call a 900# or go to a strange, smelly sex shop or anything fishy. So I tried the product. Did smashingly…

I don’t pretend to be some chemistry expert, but I do know from personal experience that MHarris knows what he’s talking about and was the one who is behind most of the products here you enjoy.

When you mix everything into a bottle (I’m not talking about diluting your own product) then you are stuck with that mix. You have to get all new product to test something else if it isn’t up to par. That is quite a waste. Adding a perfume or fragrance to a product can also affect the chemical make-up or dosage you are getting. When we make mixes, there is a lot of calibration of equipment and spot-checking of our tools. I would say that trusting our lab would be far more consistent than trying to mix things in a bottle, especially if it means the person could be wasting expensive molecules we sold on a loss so that they could test them.

Example:

Say I have a 25 mcg/spray bottle of P96 (5mL/neroli) and a 50mcg/spray bottle of P103 (5mL/neroli) and MX297 and some Armani Code.

If I take 5 mL of the P96, 5mL of the P103, add some Armani code, then pour in more alcohol to fill the rest of the bottle - thats what I’m stuck with. If the Armani Code has a chemical in it that destroys the molecules over time? Also bad. If you find a great mix but didn’t test it with the trusted system the experimones were designed to be tested with? Its useless to us unless tested properly.

@Gegogi

Sheesh, many Androtics come premixed in a bottle. Otherwise they’d being selling Ammo as separate bottles of androstenone, androsterone and androstenol for users to “layer.” I’ve gotten the best results with Stone Labs A1 diluted, not straight from the bottle and layered. Mixing with alcohol (or cologne) increases the surface area of the application, thereby improving diffusion. EOW also is best used mixed and diluted. Some of us have been mixing longer than Androtics has been in business and enjoy the creation of homebrew.

I do rough mixes with drops on skin and, when I hit on a combo/ratio that works for me, I mix a small amount of chemset components in a bottle for ease/speed of application, note results and refine from there. At any one time I have at least a half dozen mixes in Sephora atomizers, ready to use while on the run.

I’d drop the clarey sage unless you like smelling like a damn new age hippie or Grateful Dead fan…

I can’t vouch for anybody else’s product, however keep in mind that you don’t actually know our complete production process so as far as saying that “Ammo” comes pre-mixed, thats like saying: “Well, I bought a car and it came pre-built so if I build my own car it will be the same exact thing.”

You could be a master chemist who has created a formula that cures cancer, removes wine stains from white sheets, and when poured into your car completely turns it into a 250 mph machine with 500mpg… but there is no way to guarantee that anybody who has mixed up experimones/etc into their own bottle with so many different things can even provide close to accurate data for research.

Also, the products we create aren’t simply mixed as you so suggest - yes they are “premixed” when you get them, but if you want consistent and accurate dosages, etc. I wouldn’t try mixing it with anything yourself, its just not how its designed.

Reports eligible for reporting user status are going to have to get stricter for us to keep affording to do it, so I hope people understand the full parameters of how to use the Experimones/Putatives. We can’t trust blind data like: “I am good at chemistry, I poured some things together from my to-go bottles and added some CK One”. I am sure you guys know what you’re doing, etc. But its just not how the product is designed so we can’t use that data. The only way to ensure that the product was applied/used/etc the same across the board is that if its layered.

Not that this mix is even close to eligible since it includes A1.

Question - by the way - do you know the precise dosage applied from Sephora atomizers and if it is exactly to the specs of our atomizers? Serious question, I’ve never used them so I am a bit curious now if you realize that not all atomizers are the same dosage.

Happy testing!
John Sebastian

PS: I am working on a project that is relevant to this (mixing, RU, etc.), its kind of funny that its been mentioned here in this thread.