Given that Spaceland is largely based on a mega-amount of alpha-androstenol, albeit tweaked a bit with some other stuff, has anyone actually tried for the analogous effect with beta-androstenol, by using something like Androtics’ ExperiMone betanol at 50mcg/spray? If so, I’d love to know what that was like.
People would be spilling their deepest, darkest secrets before even making eye contact! They would blurt out their secret fears and fantasies to no one in particular, unable to control their tongue. Their world would be rendered devoid of privacy or secrets!
Okay, I don’t think it would be that bad. It might just make them terribly uncomfortable and cause them to leave. Maybe I’ll try it one day. I’ll be placing a large order soon, with all of the consumer product line except Instant Gentleman, Instant Jerk, and Mystery Boy. Maybe I could throw in a bottle of concentrated betanol. Of course, I don’t really want to make my order more expensive than it already is. I’m currently scrounging up money for whatever isn’t paid for by reward points. I go to a boarding school, so I don’t have any source of income. It’d be cool if they gave me concentrated betanol as a freebie, but I don’t know what I’d do with it after I massively overdosed. I’m sure I could cook something up. If I couldn’t use it on it’s own, I could always mix it with something, even just a cologne. Amy? If you see this, send me some super-betanol! Or whatever you like, really. Free is cool. Anyway, if I do get some, I’ll let you know.
Well, so far I found this post from Jasmin…
*Gosh, it’s true. In GINORMOUS doses, one can get a very spacey effect.
In fact, some years ago we had a fellow out of NYC call in one day to order a very very high dosage b-Androstenol. A week later he asked for double. (1 gm a bottle in oil base
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!) I asked if he was reselling it and would like to open a wholesale account with us…
Turns out, he was using it during meditation to travel deeeeep into entirely different mental planes than he has ever achieved before!
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*Also:
Beta Androstenol OD + Driving behind the wheel = Spacey DISASTER!
Have any of you folks experienced your own personal beta Androstenol ODs? What usually is your ceiling before things get to be a little “too weird”?
*Well, the self-effects certainly sound far out, maaaan…The originator of the thread, Countesszero, is using a fair bit of betanol (4 sprays @ 15mcg/spray) at work and all, and rates it very highly. Yeah, I think I’d like a fairly high-concentration bottle of betanol, sounds like some deep stuff. And one of alphanol for that matter! Weighing options up for my next trip to the lovely Androtics shop, don’t quite know when that’s gonna happen though.
I just ordered A and B at 40 or 50 mcg’s - What do you think one spray of that would do? Or would that be too low?
Well, Spaceland is 50 mcg per spray alphanol, plus a little of something else, and to quote Androtics on Spaceland:
I sprayed just 2 shots of this to my hair, and was so pleasantly zoned out, I didn’t even pay attention to what anybody was saying to me (or to anybody!) for a good half an hour afterward. I was up there, back with Neil Armstrong when he landed on the moon… harmlessly lost in ozone of almost no thought.
That’s what two sprays does, I imagine one is at least noticeable, it should at least get you into orbit 
Sounds like a good one to test out solo at first as well, in the privacy of one’s own home. oh… I so want some now, of both the -nols!
I have gone with 4 sprays of IH 4X before. I did not get any spacy-type effects but I did get a lot of interesting conversation.
The Grand Master Gegogi says he does not really notice a big difference between high doses of either alpha or beta 'nols in that you get a lot of chatter no matter what.
In one aspect - you get a lot of chatter with both - I agree. But I think the conversation with the beta nols is slightly more focused and hence better.
Instant Honesty Will Make Them Surrender (Instant Honesty Will Make Them Surrender)
Tama1981K (October 2007):
"I have instant honesty 4x and believe me when I say I have gone as far as spraying myself 3 times which equals out to a total of 12 full sprays of instant honesty. I have had people come up to me and tell me their whole life story without even me initiating conversation. It affects bolth men and women and even children. I have a lot of fun with it…fun because it even causes people to say things they were subconciously thinking about but did not mean to say. I have found out a lot more information than I needed to know sometimes. Even so it has turned out to have an advantage in some cases..girls actually revealing with they were really thinking…I feel so devious when wearing this stuff. I am not worried about the effects it has on me…as I use the direct and honest approach to females. "
Tama1981K (October 2007):
"…How receptive are you to meeting new people? When your with people you know is conversation really flowing? I have found most people will blurt something out when conversation is just flowing. Most people approach me and start talking because I have learned how to make myself seem more receptive to being talked to. Are you smiling at all? Holding yourself with confidence? Are you making eye contact? Do you know most reactions from pheromones are suttle at first and become more apparent as you get used to them? Did you know instant honesty will not work if someone is REALLY trying to hide something from you. I know I am asking a lot of questions but I am trying to figure out exactly whats going on with your particular situation. It may just be that your looking too hard for a reaction from someone and when it dose happen you miss it because you were so focused on the reaction. It could also be that your not around your target long enough for the pheromones to cause any type of reaction…it affects different people at different rates..even at the 2x or 4x level. Some are almost instantly caught by its effects and for some it takes a while. I find the DIHL effect happens on rare occasions but when it dose…look out!!! these people will do ANYTHING to keep you around…even start lying again. I hope this helps some…if not PM me and we will see where your problem lies. One thing I hate more than wasted time is wasted pheromones. "
Hello??? - #2 by Quicksilver (Hello??? - #2 by Quicksilver)
Quicksilver (April 4, 2007):
“…Oh, and instant honesty (Instant Honesty – Deep Relational Communication Pheromone – You Won’t Believe Your Ears! - Alpha A314) is too much fun to miss out on, but get it at crazy strength (4X or more) in ammo scent. Mwah ha haa. You will learn SO much it’s not even funny. Just be determined to keep YOUR lips zipped so you you’ll have money for more phero purchases. If you don’t, all your money will be going to blackmailers.
Cheers,
Quicksilver…”
https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-do-i-exist-here-or-did-i-od/2974/12
Quicksilver (April 7, 2007):
“…I don’t have a threshold yet, but I have Instant Honesty unscented 4x and have used 3 or 4 sprays. (Equivalent to 12 or 16 regular for you math neanderthals) However, I would do it under clothing or use it to defuse the intensity of sexual mixes. What if you used Come Talk To Me Mix 2 with Instant Honesty?
I’ve worn it in the car for hours and people BOND. I mean they take turns spilling their own dirty laundry - for hours - like you wouldn’t believe. Myself, I keep my lips zipped, which they appreciate because it gives them more time to spill their guts.
Cheers,
Quicksilver
P.S. that last paragraph sounds like a testimonial, don’t it?”
https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-its-real-effect/3631/3
Quicksilver (May 13, 2007):
“…funny you mention this … I was thinking about posting this morning about Instant Honesty (Instant Honesty – Deep Relational Communication Pheromone – You Won’t Believe Your Ears! - Alpha A314)… I have 4x unscented that is fun to wear in a car.
So I was doing that a month or so ago, and the others in the car were:
a blabber mouth, who is always rude, insulting, and throws the things you blurt out back at you at the most inopportune time. No social tact.
a mother and daughter, who have had a very hard life.
a new person we don’t know very well.
me.
So the mother out of the blue starts talking about how someone molested one of her other daughters and she felt like she couldn’t turn the person in to the authorities for personal reasons even though she hated him. (She never named names)
She was silent for a few minutes, and then said “I really didn’t mean to say that, I’m very sorry. Please forget I said that, ok? I never meant for that information to get out.”
The (normally) blabbermouth had done a 180, was very respectful, promised to not mention it, and hasn’t brought it up since, even to any of us who were in the car that day.
I’ve wondered if inhaling Instant Honesty makes you mature enough to handle secrets, and that others sense THAT in your voice and body language, leading to being trusted with secrets.
Any thoughts?
Cheers,
Quicksilver”
https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-openess-or-come-talk-to-me/4179/14
Quicksilver (July 8, 2007):
“…Well, I have a bottle of 4X Instant Honesty, unscented, and I’ll easily spray 4 to 6 sprays on my chest.
The result: People riding in a car with me start comparing the skeletons in their closets, basically. I’ve learned all any psychologist ever wanted to know. And surprisingly, everyone’s mature about it and never repeats the other people’s dirt once they leave the car, apparently.
Maybe it’s mutually assured destruction.
In any case, when someone starts talking about their skeletons, I think, holy crap, there goes good ol’ Instant Honesty!
And make a firm resolve to not say a word for the next 3 hours. So much to learn, and so much to lose .
Cheers,
Quicksilver”
https://pheromonetalk.com/t/setting-for-new-experiment/1270/26
Quicksilver (August 10, 2007):
“…On another note, I’m starting to wonder if I seriously produce Instant Honesty (Instant Honesty – Deep Relational Communication Pheromone – You Won’t Believe Your Ears! - Alpha A314) 24/7. Or if repeated exposure is changing the dynamics of the relationships I have with people around me. It’s like: “Hey, let’s cut the crap and be frank and intimate. Life is what it is… We all know each other’s dirt anyway.”
It’s refreshing to be around honest people, you know…”
Instant Honesty suggestions? (Instant Honesty suggestions?)
MadisonTate (October 2007):
"Tater finds that androstenols create a need-to-be-heard more than a need to talk. Ive had people say that they felt ignored or understimulated but around me they felt they could fill that need. Try 4x4x Instant Honesty and youll see what i mean. They act addicted to talking to you, and if BS is needed to justify talking longer, BS it is.
With Asians, ive used this effect to get mostly quiet, need to be touched, need to be paid attention to, even a bit of possessiveness. And ive had some very interesting results by adding P83 to it. If you dont believe Tater, try getting a woman into you because of your heavy beta-androstenol, then start paying attention to another woman. Youll experience a different kind of HIT."
Wow, thanks guys! Well, something like 4x Instant Honesty or betanol is certainly on my shopping list.
Aha, look what appeared in the “Similar Threads” section, too:
MarkL:
Over the last 24 hours I’ve experimented with 400+ mcg applications of beta-androstenol, reapplying liberally – perhaps 100 mcg per hour or so.
I should have started experiementing with my Instant Honesty 4x a long time ago. 
Not alone. In combination, at various points, with a little Androstadienone, a little -none, a spray of EST, a spray or two of Instant Shine, a drop of A314.
First, the social / non-sexual hits are amazing. It seems that a big Betanol signature component sends the signal “it’s safe to talk to me.” No lack of respect, just great rapport and a rockin’ friendly vibe … males and females alike.
And some “true confessions” but not mindless drivel.
And the sexually tinged IOIs are … ehm,… “blatant” is probably the best word. As in “Let me touch you now, I want to fuck you so badly” while dancing. Shocking!? Not quite – her hand was on my chest, not in my pants.
That and a notable amplification of the Instant Shiney “I’m bumping into you accidentally on purpose.” (God’s piss, indeed!)
And, of course, for now I regret not having time to give more details, but it ~is~ Saturday night and my phero-hoard is calling.
(I’m thinking I may, in the future, forego attraction and skip right to trust. See how it goes. Anyone else tried megadose with Betanol? I commend you to the experiment of “wasting” a dozen sprays or so…)
I did the same in past, and have not noticed any spacey effects
I do like Instanty Honesty better then Alpha for the more focused and more interesting conversations
ntk, I’ve goneup to 400mcg using Extreme Honesty/20mcg drop and Instant Honesty/4X together. If you’re interested I have a post in Rev evolvers thread here -
I haven’t found the ceiling with this one yet…still climbing. 
Bella
Thanks Bella. Wow, 400mcg, that’s quite a dose… overwhelming feeling of connection, eh? I shall have to try this out, in the right contexts, of course - I don’t think I’d be wearing it to the pub.
I always make sure to use more -Anol than -Bnol, just seems to work slightly better for me that way, well most of the time anyway, i play with the ratios a little, I’v also tried -Bnol by itself, to be honest i think there is a “sweet spot” but when once you get past that sweet spot “area” the effect seem to be positively skewed, i.e. doesn’t increase much, until the point there is no need to use anymore coz you would just be wasting your precious juice.
so i think the first few sprays are the key because i seem to notice the effects increase exponentially UNTIL you hit your “sweet spot” area, note how i use the term area, because a sweet spot is a very subjective term, different with everyone, and also depends on a lot of other factors, so your sweet spot could be between 3-5 sprays on a “particular day” in a particular environment.
I have used 4X up to 6 sprays and I have raw Bnol 50 mcg per spray I use for compositing. I have tried high doses of that as well.
People really open up about personal things like they have known you for years. Didnt get the spacy feeling with it though.
I really really love 4X IH
Tisha
Thank you K24 and Tisha. Well, I’m sold! I intend to get some 4x IH soon… got bills and stuff to pay out first though before I can pick up my next pheromonal treats… In the meantime, I’m looking for IH and betanol reports by my fellow Brits, I would like to find out if folk have had much success overcoming the “stiff upper lip” phenomenon that so bedevils our nation, LOL.
what tisha said . i tried the same amounts and had the same results. very deep conversations from people i’ve known for years yet never had heard the intimate stuff that was told with 6 sprays of 4 x instant honesty. and some alph nols. the thing i also noticed was the staying power of 4x instant honesty. it lasted all day and was just as strong on into the night. instant honesty 4x is really worth the extra bucks.
Tater also has raw beta-androstenol and has used a bodacious amount of IH 4x. Having tried as much as 1000mcg of raw beta-nol, the effect continues to grow but needs activation. You still need to draw people to you. Add in P86/P83 and some MEO-EST and it really becomes potent.
Unless used to hair, IH lasts MUCH longer than the raw beta-androstenol.
I tried 5 sprays of Instant Honesty with A314 today and i found that it deepened the seriousness of A314. It was definitely an attention grabber at work and on the streets (not as strong as ammo though, although i guess the type of attention it grabs is different). Funnily, I started talking about random stuff but the people who i was talking to seemed distracted and didnt seem to add too much to the conversation other than a few bits (none of it deep stuff). Midway through the day, i went into meditative state and felt very peaceful. However, towards the end of the day it made me tired and cranky like all -Androstenol products seem to affect me.
However, once when i was fairly new to testing out stuff, i had gone out with 1 spray ammo, 1 spray Instant Openness and 1 spray Instant Honesty. That night one guy came up to me and said “You’re so cute, if i was gay i would definitely f*ck you”. He was moderately drunk but was still having semi-sensible conversations with other people. Btw, I am not gay and wasn’t in a gay bar or anything to suggest to the other person that i was. I feel Instant Honesty manifests its full power under the influence of alcohol.
Oh yeah, forgot to add - on the bus today morning as i climbed up a few loud under 18 girls at the back started whistling and shouting ‘take me away’ for a good 5 mins (the whistling was the kind that guys used to do when they noticed a hot girl maybe like a century ago or something). I am not sure if thats a new song but there were no other lines to it. I didnt look at them as i saw the people in the bus getting uncomfortable. They stopped after a few minutes and i guess the A314 kept them away. I dont really know if it was directed at me as i didnt look at them. This is the first time such a thing has happenned so i guess i can blame it on the IH. I guess it affects loud people more which is a bit of a problem in the UK as you have to struggle to notice any effects.
This may be a bit off topic but i found that instant jerk seems to make men tell me their life stories and ambitions and if there is nothing to talk about, one guy strated talking about the difference in bathroom cleaning fluid in the UK and rest of Europe. Interestingly, these were all guys with really stable girlfriends for years or married men. Maybe the smell of copulins reminded them of something they might have missed for years 
As far as females, IJ seemed to affect only single females and the ones having stable relationships seemed hardly interested. I use this product to snipe the single girls at work and college from a distance without having to ask around and it does save me quite a bit of time.
Great Report, One Of The Best So Far…
Very interesting… Personally, a high none dose I used got a girl with a child and husband to buy me a drink (I never understood that lol) but yeh, that Instant Jerk idea seems interesting. However, maybe its due to you giving a “Jerky” vibe and the women who are settled down would better want a more stable and nicer guy and are turned off, whereas the single girls want more fun and maybe instability, which is why they are single… Just an idea…
As for a betanol OD, thats a great idea ive never tried but always meant to… I often go very high on the alphanol and high dose alphanol+betanol is very interesting and powerful at times…