Wanted to bring this issue up – How repeatable are tests?
Before I go further, Let me just say that the Androtics Experimone kit is awesome. The sprayers are consistent and you know exactly how many micrograms you’re getting per spray. It’s a huge leap forward for the hardcore users. So thanks!
Now that the synthetic end is sorted out, I’m wondering about the other side of the issue – our own natural pheromone levels in the equation.
I’m wondering how much they vary. Is it such that they make it very difficult to repeat experiments? Some pheromones seem to require a more precise range than others. Alpha nol is pretty unpicky with regard to dosage. Certainly the masculine mores are more sensative, as perhaps others as well. Are they particular enough with regard to the “working dosage” to be affected by natural mone variation?
Also, build up is what, typically 10 percent? Is that enough to make a difference in a mix?
My experiences lean me to ‘yes’ for these questions.
Welcome! It’s exactly what I’ve been using. I have oil based ones, too, but less diffusive.
I’ll have androstadienone is the same format in just a minute, too.
While I do study specifics to figure things out, I’m more an idea man than anything else. Riding along the surface, look for the patterns. Let me give you some of my observations.
I think a painting metaphor helps.
We’re each a canvass, but one that’s already been primed/coated with a specific pheromonal color.
You may be yellow, and I may be blue.
If we each wanted green pheromones, you’d need to add blue and I’d need to add yellow.
That’s part of the reason not all mixes translate intrauser (between users).
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Now, beyond that not is each person’s natural pheromonal color different than everyone else’s, but our own color won’t necessarily be the same each day.
To control self-color variations, I use a long shower as a baseline, noting whether or not I’ve used soap or just water on just my hairy parts (I usually don’t, but I do use Nioxin or other polyscorbate based hair conditioners because my own hair is a favorite application spot)
I’ll use a number for that. Days since shower. 0, 1, 3, what have you.
0 + Mix.
1 + Mix.
Do those seem to translate?
Yes.
My 0 day mix would be a little different than my 1 day, because after a day my natural magic starts to come back.
Also, I don’t tend to use soap under my armpits, just hot water. I find that I have far better natural flora that way. This has reduced day to day differences dramatically.
When I soap, the differences are big. 0 vs. 1 vs 2 days without showering, all huge.
Worse, with excessive soap usage, it almost seems like antiobiotics. At first, all the ‘bad bacteria’ grow faster and I get negative results. With me, anyway. It takes awhile for the good bacteria to take equal footing and form a homostatic equilibrium, with the net result being a positive one.
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With all that mind, I don’t think we should overcomplicate things. Again, my modified hygiene regimem seems to stabilize results.
When we share mixes, I think we should say a little about how hygiene regimen (soap usage and where), blood type, and how many since last shower. A lot of that could be in our user profiles, so our posts could mostly contain our mixes. If we wanted, we could go into age, body fat level, and typical social results w/o using pheromones. All useful info.
I’m certain that info alone will skyrocket us past what has been shared before, helping to usher in an exciting new dawn of pheromone fueled experimentaton and subsequent adventures.
Well, I shower everday and use soap. I guess I’ll have to look into the no soap thing. I’ve used just natural soap.
Thing is, I’m natural gamey if I don’t shower… also sweat a little at night. Wake up funky.
I’ve gone a while without soaping my application spot (neck), but that led to highly inconsistent results and I figured out I was getting buildup.
When I first read you referring to pheromones in terms of colors, I got a bit of excitement because I tried to get a movement like that going on the LS board, to no avail.
When you think of everything in terms of colors, it’s easier to understand what the final mix feels/looks like. And, I was wondering what colors women would find naturally appealing. Just as their are men that are often found sexy by women, their’s got to be a pheromone signature that is as well, regardless of everyone’s individual conditioning.
I too need to shower on a daily basis, because of my work-outs. I have switched to using either home-made organic soap or Aveeno fragrance free body wash with natural colloidal oatmeal. Sometimes I’ll just use my shampoo as a body wash. I figure that my hair is a place where I can really tell whether the pH is right. So if a particular shampoo works for the pH of my scalp, hopefully it will work for the pH of my particular body.
I don’t need to use deodorant though (unless I know I’ll be in a stressful situation). Instead I use an EO blend of Lavender and Vanilla to which I have added 2 drops of A-Nol. Lavender/Vanilla is a much used scent in our house for it’s soothing, calming properties. I figure I might as well be in harmony with my environment.
Other than that, I would venture to say that yes, even our own natural pheromone signature probably varies from day to day. (Now I’m totally leaving aside: build-up, residu, conversion etc.)
Did you go lifting at the gym? If you did your testosterone levels are probably higher than if you didn’t, and I’m guessing this affects your natural None output the next day.
Did you go for a run? You probably flushed out a lot of bad toxins.
Or did you spend the afternoon in a stressful board meeting? I don’t know what that would do to your output.
Are you currently super healthy or are you sick?
Or… (Just brain-storming here)
Did you eat a big juicy steak the night before? (Again more testosterone?)
Or did you eat fettuccini alfredo?
Or did you eat a whole wheat bagel with hummus?
So not only do we start out with pretty individual canvasses. Our own health, lifestyle and actions probably make it vary.
One last funny thought about colors. Have you ever mixed all kinds of different colors as a kid? The end result always seemed to be … black! Sometimes I worry about the crazy signature I might be projecting when I mix too many different products!
That’s really funny and an interesting way of looking at it.
Another thing I just realized… we’re all using products that are mostly alcohol. That means that we are killing bacteria and upsetting the balance of things as we would using soap…
LOL – I thought about this all of last night, trying to come up with a strategy!
I guess there would be 2 ways of looking at it.
1) I’m going to maximize the effect of my own natural pheromones.
I’ll be very careful about the soaps I use
I’ll try as much as possible to use synthetic pheromones in an oil base (EO’s f.i.). They will last longer, but I will need to be near my target for a longer time because of less diffusion.
2) I’m not so happy with my own signature and/or I’m really trying to project a different image
I’ll scrub myself thoroughly in the shower
I’ll kill those bacteria that cause conversion
I’ll apply my synthetic mixes all over and the alcohol will provide better diffusion.
What say you Dr. Michael?
Re crazy signatures: Oh! Look at that sweet (A-nol) nymphomaniac (copulins) over there! Wow she looks like she’s ready to club me over the head (rone)… or maybe she’ll tie me up and whip me! I wonder if I should go ask her which of the two she has in mind? (B-nol)
Some of the “buildup” will be expressed elsewhere (such through your armpits), not the local application points.
Really? You tried a color metaphor and it didn’t work??
That’s odd. Even I “understand” colors, and I’m highly auditory.
Despite that, I can’t “see” using something like notes to reach everybody.
Everybody who’s sighted, I’m sure can tune into colors pretty well. Whether or not that’s an individual preferred sensory representational system, it’s a strong one.
(only real problem is that well known color theory, such as “blue and yellow make green”, is actually is just that… a theory… like anything, it’s not always “true”; it’s not the rock of stability you think it is)
I think there’s different colors for different macrosets of women, but no one color that gets 'em all.
Every person who is well loved, is also well hated. There’s nobody who’s universally attractive. The more greater % of people like someone, the more intense the small percentage of detractors become. You can observe this effect with celebrities.
In the A314 user manual, we were just talking about 3 different types of women and mixes for each.
These are just models, of course, and not reality. Models are just usable representations of reality - maps to help you get where you want to go.
This was the model:
There’s almost normal “healthy” women who seem to be looking for a “daddy” almost to replace theirs, the abused ones who seem to be in the cycle of repeating their trauma (in which case, you avoid A314), and the mixed ones that are harder to peg, which undulate greatly in their tastes over time.
People always want to peg you as just one thing, especially when you first meet them. If we have multiple pheromonal color(s) at one time, I don’t think we necessarily see them seperately in others, like different parts of a rainbow.
Yes, ultimately, our perceptual “colors” probably ARE rainbow like (differentiatable), but instead, I think the brain of someone new to us must add together all of our olfactorily, pheromonal, and other sensensory colors, into one overall aggregate.
In short, they mix the colors.
After all, you’re sized up really fast, just seconds after someone meets you for the first time.
Faster than anybody’s concious mind can handle. That’s why it takes many years to really get to know someone. (Think about this: the longer they live, many fully grown adults claim to not to even know themselves, even after living with themselves their entire lives!)
If the perceiver’s unconscious wasn’t summing everything together, they wouldn’t be able to do that.
We’ve have information overload.
Maybe that’s what in some so-called “DIHLs” (and I think you touched on this earlier in another thread here).
So many competiting colors, or pheromonal colors which aren’t congruent to other personality indicators, that the brain “just can’t compute” for a few seconds and the DIHLer withdraws into this primordial eyes and mouth wide open, drooling state.
It’s really funny that kids are taught that mixing all the colors is supposed to make white, when any child with a box of crayons knows they all make black. Makes kids go “say what?” if they dare confront their teachers about this anomoly.
The basic color education we’ve all been given is far off base. I don’t even think most artists are on top of the latest color theory.
Nonetheless, pheromone color is just a model. Not a perfect model, but like blood types and relativity (and newtonian physics), the “pheromone color” and other models can help push experimentation and customization further along… until we find better ones.
I use alcohol sprays on most of my body and the hair on my head, because I clean those areas. I don’t care about upsetting the flora there further. I do care about diffusion.
Now, if I bathed my whole body without soap, I’d care far more, and simply use more of an oil base product.
If I ever apply pheromones to my “pits” (rare with me), I use oil based ones because that’s one area where I almost never use soap anymore. It’s an area I don’t want to disturb my flora. My social aura changes dramatically depending on my pit hygiene. If I use soap there, I really lose something great.
Remember Kirlian photograpy? The pictures of people’s aura? That is how I like to picture it. Not the colors truly blending, but this aura with a predominant color, but streaks of other colors shooting through it as well.
Our personalities are multi-faceted, and therefore our signature should be as well.
If for the sake of argument I assume that aura’s are a reflection of our mood/physical state, then on different days - in different situations - with different targets I would need to use different pheromones to improve upon my aura of that moment. Boy it sends my head reeling.
If you’re having a “bad pheromone day”, though, you can go exact opposite direction of what you mentioned, too… and NOT kill the bacteria. Just by waiting it out, your bacteria will tend autocorrect on it’s own, making a happy little colony homeostatic flora, which will in turn making you pheromonally attractive again.
The French do it! (or used to; I’ve heard they’re more “hygienic” than ever these days)
Re: soap. I’m not sure it matters much which soaps you use. If the soaps remove oils, then you’re getting rid of pheromones, and also disturbing bacteria. Just because a soap is NOT ‘antibacterial’ doesn’t mean it’s not. All soaps are antibacterial to some extent.
Anything that contains polysorbates is proven to very effective at moving hormonal and pheromonal traces, so that’s something you could look for in ingredients.
how many drops of the EO’s to those 2 drops of A-nol and how strong is the nol product you are using?
is this user manual still available? i’d love to see it if it is.
i read a very long semi-sarcastic thread on another forum related to this topic and i’ve gone for two weeks without “soaping”, just hot water and washcloth and a reasonably healthy diet with lots of water. i think i’ve come to the conclusion that when i do “soap up” in the shower from here on out, it will be on the occassions that i expect to be working or otherwise on my own for a while, and not before i meet up with a woman.
i can’t help but think of the dog that gets bathed and immediately goes outside to roll around in the dirt.
wish i would have seen this thread earlier today, i bought a bar of hemp oil soap today at the hippy store. they had a huge range of soaps available and i would have liked to have looked for this.
The current “manual” is all of 3 pages, but you can certainly have it. Call in to request it and we’ll send it off to you.
It’ll be expanded with time.
Yes, some of today’s hygiene definitely works against us. Especially US style hygeiene. Even the (often precise and circumspect) Germans have been heard to say that the Americans smell to antiseptic, like a “barber shop”.
I think this actually dehumanizes people to some extent. It may be, at least in part, responsible for some of the “coldness” in today’s less friendly societies.
Modifying your hygiene habits and using exogenous pheromones can certainly give you some of your natural charisma back.
I know scifi movie based comments can sound cheesy, but, this one provides a great, true-to-life metaphor. Also, almost everyone in a first world country has seen this movie series, so it’s not at all rarified…
That said, I think the movie “The Matrix” was very about people dehumanization in today’s world. How we act more and more like machines, and less like peopel. This may be, in part, due to the stripping away of our pheromonal identity. Some researchers have even commented that may be engaging in ever more intimate sex acts in order to have more pheromonal contact with other human beings.
In a very real and practical way, tending to your pheromonal signatures helps you to “exit The Matrix”. They really do help add back some humanity to our relationships with people we know and strangers alike.
I, for one, wouldn’t mind seeing more of the friendlier pheromones used more widely. Too much road rage and other forms unnecessary ambient anger out there. Kindness between “strangers” helps make life a richer, more rewarding experience.
You’ll see tween (polysorbate) 60 and 80 in products like Nioxin, which are intended, in part, to wash away hormonal residue.
Best to find a product that uses them as primary ingredients to actually wash away androgens, not merely secondary ingredients to keep the other ingredients in suspension.
(or used to; I’ve heard they’re more “hygienic” than ever these days)