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Hi,

Names Trip. From Australia, 37old male, very fit, very healthy. 6’ 3" and reasonably good looking. I have very few concerns with approaching, attraction, enticement or raising sexual heat. Currently single, and with completion of my studies for this year, looking to go out and play.

I am a ceaseless improver and throughly intrigued by the notion of introducing a chemical variable into a social scenario and assessing its impact. I probably fall into the category of Alpha (its not a tag I aspire to, but constant improvement over 20 years will bring it about).

Having reviewed numerous threads within this forum, I am interested in the notion of pheromones in relation to perception. I have spent much of my life dealing with situations of love/hate, people who admire me or hate me for simply existing. I can go to a bar, have a few drinks, be a bit of a silly goose (to ease the situation as I know I can agitate people), and in the same instance, have a random girl come up and kiss or a guy pick a fight with me. I am often told I am intimidating (which I find I have to be even more ridiculous to play against it). I’m a good bloke, looking to have a good time : )

I don’t know why, but have a highly sensitive nose. I suspect I can smell peoples illness, pregnancy, diet or sex life. Weird.

Anyway, I have ordered some A314 and Instant Shine. These seem to be the most congruent with my persona.

However, in reviewing the threads I think I shall purchase some Ammo, and Instant Opener. TUTH sounds great…but maybe not the best thing.. hence any advice would be beneficial.

As for why I might try pheromones? I love women, talking to them, being near them, kissing, touching, shagging, hell playing video games and drinking beers with them. But not all of them like me… so… maybe I can mess with the equation : )

I suspect the A314 is going to be best for work or social encounters. I get that hmmm ‘authority/recognition/attention’ thing without it, but its going to be good to knock any rough edges of perception.

What would be ideal for me, is a recommendation of a pheromone to wear to the gym. I do group fitness with classes full of attractive women, and have met many of them, but over the years, they are rather wary of me. I work hard, sweat a reasonable amount (normally doing two gym classes a day) and want something that will allow them to feel at ease, attracted and happy.

So, let the analysis begin. Any advice (and the voucher so that I might purchase based on your advice, would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

A.

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Hi and welcome to the forum! I had a lot of similar thoughts when I joined and I’ve been hooked ever since.

Anyways, you’re apparently doing pretty good with the research, but I think you arent giving ammo enough credit. Its definitely not an “in your face” sexual like TUTH, but for the bar scene, I think it would be as good(or in my opinion, better) than a314.

Also, for in the gym, you want to try and spray anything you use on the place you’ll sweat the least. Bacteria on your skin can break down the mones and even convert them. But the socials would give you what you’re looking for there.

Anyways, we’re glad to have you! :slight_smile:

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I just thought I would add, since you’re in your mid to late 30s, you wont have to worry AS MUCH about using too much androsteNONE, like whats in TUTH or AMMO. The OD risk is still present, but its lessened.

Ammo-not usually considered inappropriate in just about any setting, since the androsteNONE is buffered pretty well with androsteNOL and androsteRONE. It will help with a sexual attraction factor though…not in the way that TUTH might, but then again TUTH is not generally recommended for daily use unless you are really trying to send a sexual message. :stuck_out_tongue:

Anyways, I think it will be interesting to see how your sensitive nose plays into all of this. Cheers! :slight_smile:

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Thanks for the reply and guide. Sure - might as well go Ammo, TUTH and IO. I assume that the product line is synergistic, so having one of each type won’t hurt.

Are there any links or guides relating to the mechanism preceding the production of personal pheromones?

That is, if pheromone can create mood response, then mood should influence creation of pheromone. Conversely, congruence between mindset and use of pheromone should enhance both. Futhermore, creating learned association (imagery of success) with application of pheromone could enhance effectiveness.

Following on from this, elicitation of mood response via games/questions/statements tied to microdispensation of pheromone (if such a thing exists) would be interesting.

Although this is a bad example, the cube works (and no I am not a PUA) - such a curious observer.

Now tie conclusion to dispensation of pheromone… what happens? : )

Any thoughts…?

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Welcome. Glad you found us. You will find many like minded people on this site. Most of us are bent on constant improvement.

I think you will enjoy A314, even if you already posesss many of it’s traits naturally. A314 helps balance you as well, so that interactions will just go better. It also seems to have some perception qualities that you may find interesting.

You have already made your purchase, however I would recommend next time adding IH or IO. The social products will also help with the intimidation factor that will probably be increased by A314 and instant shine. I mean you are 6’3 after all. :slight_smile:

Test out the consumer line for a while and do some research in the forums. Then when you are ready there are some putatives that seem to be specifically for increased perception.

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Maam,

My sensory perception is already off the scale. I certainly don’t need any increase in it. I have always assumed it was an ‘energy thing’… but on having read much, perhaps pheromones are part, if not all of answer. Mind you, plants don’t have pheromones (me thinks) so it can’t be the sum total.

Hmm - there must be other co-factors as well - such as the alkali/acidity of skin proportional to diet as variability in pheromone conductivity.

Has there been any work to combine natural body products with pheromones. For example - what happens if a spit on my hand and combine it with A314 upon my chest? Or of I take a sample of sweat from my armpit, rub it on the back of my neck, and spray on some instant shine. Or if I was to to take a hint of musk, from underneath my ‘balls’ and dab it with TUTH upon each wrist. Has this analysis been done? If so, please link.

A.

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2 things. First of all Ruffin is a guy, so I don’t think he would appreciate you calling him ma’am. Second thing, plants do have pheromones.

You mentioned that you were concerned with perception. I’m assuming that you are concerned about the way people perceive you. So again, I recommend A314. One of the things that it does well is balance you out. It keeps your intimidation factor up, but people look to you as the authority and as being more trustworthy. Plus it allows you to read body language better, so that you can tell when your own body language is pissing people off. It may also help you perceive that little male marker next to my name.

Your body creates natural pheromones. There are ways to increase and possibly make them more effective. One way is to use salt crystal deoderant instead of the commercial stuff that is normally sold. You can spit on your hand if you want to, but I’m not sure how much that would help. Try juicing celery and you should get an increase in natural androsterone production. Basically anything that you eat can alter your pheromone signature. I believe that even attitudes can effect signature. Positive people tend to give off positive vibes while negative people give off negative vibes.

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Josie, I’m sure you already know this and were just trying to play it off(which is understandable), but he was calling YOU ma’am, as in the same sentence he addressed the perception issue that YOU brought up. :stuck_out_tongue: And lets try to be NICE to the newcomers. :slight_smile: You only joined a few months ago and I’m new as well. I think its just a misunderstanding. I don’t believe Trip was trying to insult you, but “Josie”(if thats your real name) could be a name for a guy OR a girl, so he probably just jumped to a conclusion.

It seems to me that trip is interested in the way OTHER people perceive him in relation to pheromones, and though Josie might have been completely on page with that, he made his comment “there are some putatives that seem to be specifically for increased perception,” which COULD have been taken in a way that seems like he(Josie) was trying to suggest products that would help with the way Trip perceives signs and reactions from other people. Seems like just a mixup.

And as an answer to the question regarding mixing mones with bodily fluids, if it has any effect at all(which I doubt), do you think it would be worth it? Our own pheromone production is far exceeded by the effectiveness of the synthesized ones we spray on, as the doseage is more concentrated and controlled. For that reason, I don’t believe that I, personally, will be rubbing my nutsack on my wrists with some TUTH. :stuck_out_tongue:

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Oh come on!!! I was trying to defend your manhood. :slight_smile: I am being nice. The term perception can be used in two ways. One in how you are perceived and two in how you perceive others. I have now answered the question in both ways. I honestly think that he made an excellent choice with the A314 and shine, however I do not believe it will help with his signature without a social buffer. A314 may help balance him out, but if people want to fight him he may still have a high -none signature. He needs something like IH.

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My apologies - I read Josie and assumed a female name. No offence intended.

Interesting regarding plant pheromones. So it appears any outward metabolic product resulting in stimulus/response type behaviour could fall into this category.

Can the be used as markers/mood changers within a fixed environment? What happens in vaporised into a room? Or a few drop in bed sheets? How quickly do they dissipate?

Hmmm - I am very curious to test these products out. I have, perhaps in my imagination, been able to shift ‘vibes’. People get happy around when I am happy, get agitated when I am or bummed/tense if I am. Sure, its natural human behavior to do so, but I have always enjoyed the notion of shifting these things up and down. Its akin to seeing a live band/orchestra. When the players function in unison, they take on an energy of their own - see Kate Nash vid for illustration.

Kate’s playing an arctic monkey’s cover - the band doesn’t know it so well - reading the music/lyrics whilst playing. Its starts of slightly rough, builds, and then around 2mins onwards, they hit it. You can see Kate’s eyes roll away, around 2:15, different to how she’s been playing the whole track. There’s a tangible hum of the players aligning - well - in my ears anyway : )

Well, the point of the laboriously tired analogy is that synergistic synchronicity is observable, and in the previous case, regulated by harmonic interpretation.

Hmmm - so perhaps this ‘vibe/energy thing’ is simply olfaction. Certainly plausible. Also makes sense what it is so transitory. And unteachable. Interesting

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No offence taken. I have had that name for 32 years. I’m used to it.

Pheromones are basically left over junk from hormones. They provide a signature as to your health, age, and intent.

Can they be used as mood changers within a fixed environment? I’m going to say yes. There are some pheromones/putatives that seem to be designed specifically for this. Think group fear, or group arousal, or group excitement. There is a discovery channel series that was done on the extreme human body that portrayed firefighters who began to think cohesively after adrenaline kicked in. Adrenaline is a hormone. When the waste of this hormone reaches the skin there may be a pheromone released that tells everyone to be on alert.

I have personally used A314 and pushed the mood of a group in the direction that I wanted. Pheromones are primarily communicators so they would communicate a message in conjunction with your body language and words. Pheromones sprayed in the air in an enclosed location seem to dissipate well and create an atmospheric change on targets, however they don’t seem to be as effective as being worn on skin. Bed sheets don’t work, because the pheromones can’t dissipate as well.

Listening now.

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Having reviewed an number of posts (including your journal Josie) I suppose I can’t help but wonder about the stimulus/response mechanism of the introduction of pheromones into an environment. In nature these markers appear to be dispensed according to environmental factors (seasonal/fight/flight). When applying this to human scenario’s, an example is exhilarating/unifying aspect of adrenalin (as illustrated in Josie’s previous post). I suppose I can’t help but wonder around the projection/dispensation aspects relative to human metabolism…
anyway, I am sure I shall be able to test my ideas soon enough.

Not meaning to be rude, but how does a new user claim their gift voucher?

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Hey Trip,

Fascinating comments! Itching to see your observations on the mones you use.
I got my GC after 5 days, mostly because I posted on a Friday night, I think. AD is off on the weekends.

You should send Mickaelia a PM, PheroTalk Pheromone Research Forum - View Profile: Mickaelia

see what’s the holdup. Then when she gets it first thing Monday, you can get an answer from her.

I suggest you look at Tisha23’s comments on what are considered ‘HITS’ to some and comparing the results of pheromones after application and pre-application. Good read, link is below on my sig.

Good 'moning!!!

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Welcome to Pherotalk Trip!

Nice selection. I see that you are very intelligent guy who has done his research.

I just can’t wait to see the results when you have started on these.

Your interest will be even more intrigued with this forum because it offers just more than sexual products but research and more information than one can handle.

Your gc was issued. :slight_smile:

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Thankyou for the prompt response and GC : ) I shall now order additional compounds.

To be honest, I am also somewhat skeptical. I am not doubting the efficacy of the compounds, more their consistency of impact.

For compound to be viable, the effect needs to be able to be repeated when applied within the same situation (reliable) and actually achieve what it aspires to do (valid).
That said, the continued interest and commercial viability would illustrate their ‘realness’.

Anyways, I have been thinking…something about the random placement of metabolic markers (supposedly provided by nature in response flight/flight/reproduction environment variables) doesn’t gel with me.
Hmmm
See - from my perspective - the human body runs with its own ebb and flow, energy cycle, electromagnetic field, heat radiance and (adding to this list : ) pheromone signature. Numerous spiritual/traditional theories delineate these pathways and their associated nodal energy/nerve fiber repository. Apologies if this is text is a bit random - its just my rambling anyways. So - here’s a few examples:
Chakra’s (Hinduism), Meridians (Taoist/Confucianism), and Sephirot (Kabbalah):

meridians - Google Search
Serpents of the Kundalini Fire The Tree of Life

Again, apologies for the randomness - just skip to the Western interpretation of Chakra’s in the wiki if bored (I assume anyone reading this feel asleep a few minutes back : )

I guess the part that I am wondering about is the relative placement of pheromones on the body relational those parts of the body that are conceptual energy centers for the influence/creation of the effect that a person is trying to achieve…
In following this hypothetical red herring, one might presume that placement of pheromones at key position of the spine (top of skull for a314, base of skull - top of back of neck for IH/IS, between shoulder blades for IO, on each shoulder for ammo, and perhaps wrist’forearm and coccyx bone for TUTH).

I suppose the point is the align synchronisitic aspects and ensure an element of balance between the induced (i.e. pretend) pheromone and the natural equilibrium existing within the body. Perhaps its of no relevance…

The other consideration I have is in regard to homeostasis…has there been any analysis of down-regulation of personal pheromone production in relation to induced states? Clearly natural down-regulation occurs with age, but too much of a good thing could over-tip the scales, yes?

Not expecting an answer. Just appreciating the community and - well - procrastinating (again!)

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Postscript.. I meant skip to the Chakra bit in the (wiki) on endocrine system - then skip to here:

if even more bored than before : )

blah blah ; )

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Ordering done…not what I was expecting

I had to get togo versions of TUTH and Ammo…as they were out of stock of others. So additional order included:

30ml IO (double strength) @ 30mcg.
30ml P83 @ 15mcg over Grapefruit
30ml P79 @ 10mcg over Neroli.
Volume procured relative to mcg is based both on value for money and previous experience of user.

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Amazingly quick delivery to the other side of the world. I am not sure I shall keep a journal. But I shall pass on my thanks.

Observation: Argh cough splutter, the density of scent/smell/presence of these things is akin to walking in a room completely shrouded in incense smoke. These are heavy compounds, tangible, brooding and untiring.

Observation: having rushed to collect my package after completing 3hr exam, I trial togo of ammo to the cocyx and shine to the rear base of my neck. Hmm - accuracy of dispensation is suspect…perhaps I shall progress to my own devices.

Generalised observation regarding the first experience: The compounds seem to be about congruency, fit with persona, objectives, projection and perception. They appear to work both ways, on the wearer and person being interacted with. Yes - I had all expected variations - women seeking touch, man snarling then joyous, women sneezing and staring, friendliness from non-friendly’s. Nice. Placebo could come into this… and unfortunately, that previous sentences probably just describes a standard day of mine.
However - might as well skip to the ‘hit’ of note.

Hit: young girl, shy, geeky, sort of pretty, i’d flirted with her once or twice after gym, she giggled ecstatically on previous indication (analysis: she was very interested). Knew very little about her other than her name. I’m over six foot, very strong/fit/maybe intimidating/sometime get told I look like a demon. She’s maybe 5ft 3, thin, a bit delicate, but fit. If she were a guy, I’d could probably fight 3 of her at once. Don’t worry, I am just setting the context. Most importantly, I can I assure, I am a good person : ) Anyway, I’m finishing my second gym class and she is awaiting the next one outside the glass door, my third class, her first for today. Class starts, continues (mixture of tai chi, yoga, pilates etc a bit camp - but hey - 90% girls in those classes : ) Class near to end, she leaves. Sits outside class, watching…me? not sure. I change, leave gym, talk to another pretty girl (hmm - they aren’t running away - nice). Geeky girl follows behind, see’s me talking to pretty girl. Drives off. I leave in my car, drive 20mins to shopping centre (mall)… go into grocery store, geeky shy girl just happens to appear in the same aisle as me 25mins after class has finished…funny! what a coincidence! hi - blah blah ha ha. Continue shopping. Geeky shy girl lines up a checkout behind me. Talks to me as we leave. Bye - woops don’t have my phone, get your number some other time…

Hmmm. One could say placebo. One could say coincidence in a big city. Or one could say I better be careful ; )

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Beautiful. Please be careful sir, you may find some of us wanting to study you as much as you want to study pheromones.

Now that you have your mones here is my suggestion. If have not already done so, please start a journal. The journals on here have very valuable information that are very often used to develop new mixes and have a better understanding of what we are dealing with.

Secondly please start posting your results in the Men’s forum. This will allow your post to be seen by a larger group thereby facilitating group discussion.

I think you should also review the pheromone theory forum. You may be very interested in what you find. I would also recommend that you read journals by Tacitus, Catlord, k-train, Madison tate, and Dancing Joker (can’t remember if he has one).

You will find that your theories on chakra and application points will probably garner much discussion. If you will please repost it in the men’s forum as well.

The discussion of reliability is very important. The commercial products such as IS, IO, IH, A314, Instant Sexiness A/B are considered to be reliable. Meaning they have consistent results. All other products are primarily for testing. Reliablity is probably the most tested aspect of the mixes and putatives.