Attracting women with mones first vs using mones after attracting women

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I am wondering which of the two methods would be more effective in helping one keep a girl around. I read a post from an older poster, and he pretty much concedes that mones are only good for short-term attraction or flings and that one needs other qualities to keep women around… I too am starting to realize this somewhat …

Anyways, I would like to try attracting and building rapport with some women with no mones, and then, start using mones to make her feel like her feelings toward me has developed over time. Therefore, it would seem more “natural” to her… What do u guys think?

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Mones don’t work that way. They simply enhance whats already there.:slight_smile:

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I believe mones help attract some girls, who wouldn’t be normally be attracted. Not all the time, but sometimes.

I was wondering after reading so MANY posts out there about people asking, “What if I stop using mones? Will people still like me?” …
I think if someone has some interest in you without mones, using mones would only AMP up that attraction/interest over time. Also, it would see more natural, right? However, if a person doesn’t like you as much without mones, then what happens when you stop it?

One of the old posters argues that guys better take advantage of mone hits and get laid with women ASAP, because over time, that attraction would fade. Moreover, when not using mones, that attraction and connection may vanish also…

Get the girl hot and get her laid ASAP! It sounds a lot like “Let the ho say no” by Gunwitch, lol

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I think the mones trigger a natural instinctive response…nothing more. They communicate that you’re a certain type of person. Once that association is made subconsciously only actions on your part that contradict the image will change her perception.

IE If I wear the basic A314/Ammo/Shine combo and attract a woman while using it. She’ll maintain the perception of me that the mones create even if she becomes accustomed to the signature or I stop wearing it. The impression will remain until I start acting overly shy, timid or submissive which would contradict the signature.

However the initial WOW effect of a strong signal that only artificial mones can generate will subside with prolonged or repeated exposure. Changing the signature semi regularly can maintain the initial bang type of hits. But again, unless you act in a way not congruent with the initial signature, the impression will remain.
This is why I’ve been working on a progressive periodization model.To allow extended pheromone use that still gets the more blatant “shock and awe” type of hits from people you see regularly without them becoming too accustomed to it. The respect a high rone product gets won’t disappear, but the sudden wow factor might.
Sorta like seeing a ridiculously hot woman for the first time, think about how you feel when you see here…now imagine you’ve been dating the same woman sexually for over a year. She’s no less attractive to you than when you first met, but the “OMG WOW” effect has likely faded.

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Attraction alone is just the beginning, it is not enough to keep a person’s interest, nor to have a good relationship. Some girls may sleep with a guy when there is only attraction, some require more. Some girls bond to a guy over sex, some do not really. But if a girl bonds over sex with a near stranger, and this happens frequently…Well, she will be heartbroken often and that does not seem too healthy.

Also, my experience is that people who claim to love a person they hardly know tend to love a fantasy they project on that person, not the real thing. They may fall angrily out of love once they discover you are not their fantasy, or worse, try to mould you into their fantasy. You can live a lie and pretend to be what they projected on you, but why be someone’s private actor fighting hard to win fake love when there is someone out there who likes you for you and will give real love?

Interest develops when you interact with a person and show your basic personality, or it does not develop if you do not measure up or are not compatible here. If a guy is very handsome, yet very boring or self obsessed, he will attract girls, but won’t hold their interest. He can then spray all the mones he wants to, but he’d be better off fixing his social issues.

Or a guy may have girls interested enough to date him for a few month, but then loses the relationship as she learns his character. He may have a bad temper, be unreliable or lack willpower. Again, pheromones won’t compensate for his character issues. He needs to fix those first to have a good love.

(It’s the same way for women, except that men are more likely to put up with personality or character issues to have arm candy to show off. They are, however, also less likely to bond through sex.)

It may seem difficult at first to improve these areas and many, especially the lazy, like to believe personality and character are fully inborn. Yet it is easier eventually than faking it.

What pheros can do is make an average guy seem attractive and an attractive guy seem very attractive, so he can make a positive impression on girls and have more opportunities to show a good personality and a good character that wins love of a girl that is compatible with him.

My experience is that the glamour added by pheros lasts even if I no longer wear them. I have made a solid good impression

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Mones may open MORE doors… Character closes and locks that door either for the good or bad. I currently have a girl telling me she loves me and we only hung out 3 times. I totally agree with the whole fantasy scenario and in some instances mones can actually make that fantasy worse or stronger. I really think this girl was comparing my jerk signal I was wearing to eminem. I was drunk but think she was calling me “Marshall” during sex at one point. Yep the crazies you meet in this world. Never had sex to eminem blaring in the background before. To get back to the seriousness of this thread I really think butterfly nailed it :smiley:

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Oh. so you’re one of those white boys into the darker ladies :smiley:

What I wanted to know was what happens when you attract a girl with mones, and she likes you, but then you stopped using them around her?

From my personal experiences, unless the girl knows you well or feels comfortable much with you, if you stop wearing mones, you don’t get as much as attraction as before. Sometimes, the girl stops thinking about going out with you altogether, just because she didn’t get that “same feeling” withput mones…

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Oh. so you’re one of those white boys into the darker ladies :slight_smile:

What I wanted to know was what happens when you attract a girl with pheromones, and she likes you, but then you stopped using them around her?
From my personal experiences, unless the girl knows you well or feels comfortable much with you, if you stop wearing pheromones, you don’t get as much as attraction as before. Sometimes, the girl even thinks about not going out with you anymore, just because she didn’t get that “same feeling” without pheromones…

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Attraction are part of feelings, if you honestly think that she won’t go out with you anymore cause she didn’t get the “same feeling” anymore is cause either you (not you personally)

a) creeped her out
b) you’re just like everyone else she DOESN’T wanna date
c) after getting to know you, she had her second thoughts.

I’ve used mones around women I’ve been around and initially attracted with mones, and there is really no difference with or without. Creating the initial attraction is on you, and mones help reinforce that. It’s like adding wax to a freshly washed car, it’ll give it that extra shine, but it would still look nice after the wax has dulled.

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I get what your saying because you could also say when you meet a girl “out” and are drunk and wake up next to her in the morning like wtf !?!?!?! Obviously you were attracted because you were drunk, but in the morning you reconsider that attraction as “beer goggles”.:open_mouth: IMO we are talking about the first couple casual meetings where this could be an issue, BUT after that your PERSONALITY/CHARACTER will hopefully keep her around without the use of mones. If not probably weren’t compatible in the first place.:open_mouth:

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That is what worries me at times… I think the girls sometimes get SUPER FASCINATED and ATTRACTED with my wearing mones - in the past, it was mostly Ammo (FF22) + Instant shine… Some of these girls thought that I was “Celebrity Hot” / “Movie Star sexy”… Yes, now you see why I REALLY DIG the combo, AMMO + IS! Mones AMPLIFIED attraction to many folds; that is what happened…

I know… even without mones, I guess I am still one of those guys on the attractive side… you know, that is what girls would say…
However, often, even when girls find me quiet attractive, I tend to act nice and somehow that causes them to hesitate to to go out with me … This was sans mones and many years ago(Between 18 to 25)hehe…
Also, I understand how many of them didn’t want something too serious when they were younger and stuff like that… Somehow, being a “nice guy” probably projected that :roll_eyes: Well, I am not TOO NICE early on now until I get to know them A LOT better and when appropriate. Adjusting helped get dates without mones that way…

However, when I wear mones, whether I act “too nice” or not, girls still find it pretty sexy and accepting… I still feel natural overall… That is where this whole concern comes in… Maybe, I should just sleep with girls ASAP and take advantage of mone hits like this old poster suggested; meanwhile, I began attractting the girl I want without mones first?

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That is what worries me at times… Okay nothing like that happened to me but still… I know that mones make me seem even better…

I think the girls sometimes get SUPER FASCINATED and ATTRACTED with my wearing pheromones - in the past, it was mostly Ammo (FF22) + Instant shine… Some of these girls thought that I was “Celebrity Hot” / “Movie Star sexy”… Yes, now you see why I REALLY DIG the combo, AMMO + IS! pheromones AMPLIFIED attraction to many folds; that is what happened…

I know… even without pheromones, I guess I am still one of those guys on the attractive side… you know, that is what girls would say…
However, often, even when girls find me quiet attractive, I tend to act nice and somehow that causes them to hesitate to to go out with me … This was sans pheromones and many years ago(Between 18 to 25)hehe…
Also, I understand how many of them didn’t want something too serious when they were younger and stuff like that… Somehow, being a “nice guy” probably projected that :roll_eyes: Well, I am not TOO NICE early on now until I get to know them A LOT better and when appropriate. Adjusting helped get dates without pheromones that way…

However, when I wear pheromones, whether I act “too nice” or not, girls still find it pretty sexy and accepting… I still feel natural overall… That is where this whole concern comes in… Maybe, I should just sleep with girls ASAP and take advantage of pheromone hits like this old poster suggested; meanwhile, I began attractting the girl I want without pheromones first?

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I would say always be working on your congruency that should never stop and I’m not talking congruency with mones I’m talking congruency with being THE MAN you want to be.

It’s our nature as guys to OVER THINK the opposite sex. As I agree with what your saying try focusing on the WHOLE picture as to why these girls end up losing attraction. That is the only advice I can give.

I have no problem keeping girls interested in ME. My problem is I have a serious relationship phobia that tends to make me find excuses why the relationship isn’t gonna work and run for the hills. I know why I do this and am trying to gain that ability again. Maybe I’m just not ready to have a serious relationship, but I truely am not against that option in the beginning… Sorry for the rant :open_mouth: