How long/short to expose to people to oil based mones until you notice hits with oil products, such as A314 or Ascend?
Every week, my friends and I go to a local coffeehouse for open mic night. The atmosphere here is room temperature with no air blowing, so it’s a pretty fair environment. I shower before and then apply my mones before going. However, I’m getting inconsistencies here, from a few seconds to a few minutes before someone gets hit. But here’s the tricky part, I don’t think people know the mones are coming from me.
I apply my mones the same way and time every week before going to this place. I’m consistent with how I apply my mones, but I’m getting inconsistent exposure time.
You will not uniform reactions/hits. There are many other variables apart from the mone doses/ application points.
Some people react more quickly than others.
I have had immediate hits with many of the pheromones and at other times its taken a while and some more effort from me to get things going.
Generally I would say it takes sometime, maybe the target is distracted, thinking of other things or maybe they are tired and not so alert.
So you need to initiate sometimes and allow the pheromones to enhance your performance rather than replacing it.
It’s not a bar, it’s a coffeehouse. Though it pretty much is a bar scene, but just substitute the alcohol with caffeine. I didn’t use any oils last night, but rather Ammo, regular strength.
Being a 28 year old Asian male, I figured I couldn’t really OD with this so I did 2 sprays to chest with 1 spray to back of neck about 30-40 mins before I went out, to let it settle. I enter the coffeehouse by myself and say HI to my friends. Then I interacted with a group of girls that were my acquaintances (not friends). They were sitting on this L-shaped sofa and there were no seats left, so I stood perpendicular to them and started a small convo about the TV show, “Walking Dead”. I then tangent off a little and congratulated one girl who was a finalist in this local art competition thing that our city is hosting. I said her picture in the newspaper looked like it was from her yearbook (jokingly, of course. Trying to work my flirting). We go into the sound room and we just hung out. This is the part where I didn’t talk much, as I was observing people. I did notice this one Latina girl that I sat next to whom I’ve been acquainted to before, doing some IOIs. I’d say in her 20s, she was hair flicking and adjusting her jacket/shirt frequently. But was she preening for me or some other guy? Though no other guy talked to her this entire night at our meet up, but I’m not definite.
Yup - It is highly variable between individuals and situation. Some will hit hard and fast in seconds, whilst others will take much longer, even into hours.
Then there are some pheros that only reveal their full potential with repeated exposures - A314, P74, and IH all come to mind here.
Situation plays a part too and in more restrained/polite/work environments, people will hold back on their responses to certain pheros, esp socials/overt sexuals.
For most pheros, a relaxed and uninhibited environment is also the one to deliver fastest results.
I haven’t been wearing A314 around my longtime friends much, as I feel it creates distance and doesn’t help with interactions. When I wear A314 around them though, I immediately see a difference in how they treat me. I don’t like what I see. My male buddies start acting all beta and apologetic - making it hard to be on the same wavelength. After a while when I open up and get a little playful with them - they see it’s ok and treat me like they normally do. I have no interested in out-alphaing my friends. When I wear something different after exposing them to A314, they treat me normally.
A314 is a high impact product. I guess mobocaster is right when he says multiple exposures are necessary to build up credibility. Maybe this is the reason why people around you are thinking the mones are not coming from you.
As for your Ammo report: looks like you were getting hits from the Latina girl. Ammo needs little exposure time in my experience.
I thought so, too, but hard to tell as there were other guys near by as well. She’s an introvert’s introvert; she whispers when she talks. She’s literally and figuratively a “quiet gal” (in public, anyway, we’re not friends so I don’t have a good baseline of how she is in private). I wish Androtics still sold CTTM, but I’m thinking of getting IH and IO and combine them together. She’s cute Latina and since I’m single, why not? I have tried a few instances to initiate convo with her, but it’s like pulling teeth. I’m hoping IH + IO will help relax her a little and make it feel like it’s okay to talk to me.
Cloud-stealing is a real thing! I was once walking behind 2 ladies, and one of them smelled SOOO good, I nearly lost my mind! I assumed it was the one nearer to me, so I complemented her on her perfume and asked what it was. When she stopped to talk with me about it, I realized that she smelled differently than what I had caught a whiff of. It was her friend that smelled so intoxicating. To not appear rude, I just went with it, and never found out what the other lady was wearing.
Now, imagine if the lady I was talking to was either wearing nothing or a very light fragrance that I didn’t notice. If I hadn’t asked her about it, I never would have known it was coming from her friend. It’s all too common for people to not realize where a phero cloud is coming from, and they can assume it’s either the person standing closest to them, or the one they happen to think looks most attractive. You need to break from the crowd every now and then so your target(s) can assign the signature to you and not get confused.
OMG this happened to me today. It will be in a report when I get around to writing it.
On the otherhand. Buildup over time is good and important I think. Seems to me that if you are constantly drastically changing up your mone Sig with people you see frequently you can actually confuse them and they will end up putting less weight in the sig they are receiving.