Bring back IFM

[tho]

This is the reaction I’m getting from IFM Ocean 13 ( Pheromone Part 1 ) - YouTube

[M_M]

@John_Sebastian

trying to keep things together for Project UF3 and other recent projects.

Did someone say UF3!?

I Dream of Jeannie, and IFM, too.

[ballzan]

@tho

How do you make a poll in the first place?

Well when making a new thread go all the way to the bottom just above the submit button and there is a check box that says “Yes attach a poll to this post or something along those lines” With the number of options in a drop down, then submit and you get to type your poll question and all the options for it.

[Bolkie]

Just bring it back already. Are you running a business or not? It is not like you are producing landmines using child labour.

[ballzan]

@John_Sebastian

Actually because we would have to change the formula not to include A1 then it would become an MX. We wouldn’t just change it and throw it out there as a full product - you know we don’t do things that way. We test and test before we claim that it works.

Also keep in mind that we are producing a lot of other products, keeping molecules available for you guys for your own testing fun, as well as trying to keep things together for Project UF3 and other recent projects.

Honestly dude just use A1, I heard why you quit using it but we are all adults and can handle our selves. If you are worried about it just put all the possible effects on the page of IFM and make a terms of use with a check box before you can add it to your cart, pretty much saying you aren’t responsible for usage or side effects just to cover your own butts. With it being such a small number of people experiencing it, there shouldn’t be a problem anyway. And if you are worried about it not selling (which it should sell great) just start out bringing it back with 5ml bottles only at first.

[tho]

Lets continue this conversation at the poll: Androstadienone (A1) Poll

[P51Mustang]

Folks, also remember that John cannot unilaterally make that decision. He works hard to get us what we need, let’s not try to inundate him or attack him with requests. He does his best but ultimately it’s Harriss’ call. We can only garner enough support and do it in a cohesive and tactful fashion, unlike those occupy wall street guys.

Make your valid points and gather support, that’s about all we can do.

[SiriusC]

I used IFM very regularly back in when it was in stock. Long story, but I had this… lesbian friend that it worked wonders on. It would be really really great to see it back in the store.

[M_M]

@P51Mustang

Folks, also remember that John cannot unilaterally make that decision. He works hard to get us what we need, let’s not try to inundate him or attack him with requests. He does his best but ultimately it’s Harriss’ call. We can only garner enough support and do it in a cohesive and tactful fashion, unlike those occupy wall street guys.

Make your valid points and gather support, that’s about all we can do.

MHarris is still around!?!?!?

@SiriusC

I used IFM very regularly back in when it was in stock. Long story, but I had this… lesbian friend that it worked wonders on. It would be really really great to see it back in the store.

Are you speaking with a forked tongue, Sir? IF you remember, how much/what combo did you use on your lesbian friend? THANKS!

[2000GT]

@P51Mustang

Folks, also remember that John cannot unilaterally make that decision. He works hard to get us what we need, let’s not try to inundate him or attack him with requests. He does his best but ultimately it’s Harriss’ call. We can only garner enough support and do it in a cohesive and tactful fashion, unlike those occupy wall street guys.

Make your valid points and gather support, that’s about all we can do.

Well, most unfortunate for John, being in his position, he has to deal with everyone’s rants and raves. It’s not an easy position to be in, so I do give him a ton of credit for being as patient (within reason, I can tell when you’re about to lose it John) as he has with us.

However, the official reasons given here and in the past are, in my opinion as a businessman: excuses. There are other companies out there that are selling A-1, stand alone and/or as part of a scented/unscented product(s), with little to no issues with the products in question, other than the normal consistency complaints. This company, will it’s focus is on research, still has a consumer line to help generate income (though I suspect it’s getting funding from other sources). This line is geared towards the general consumer. Now assuming that the clientele here are the primary users/main source of income for this company and there is a large demand for IFM, then it would be a financially worthy notion to seriously reconsider the re-issue of items such as IFM. If the claims that are made by this company are true that people were using IFM to induce depression in men, then adding a T&C, EULA type agreement prior to the person ordering such an item will release the company from any potential, though minimal litigation. If the company is concerned about its image, then it also needs to take into consideration that it’s upsetting its client base by refusing to restock an item and only giving vague excuses.

What the folks here and anyone else who visits this forum with an interest in A-1/IFM want is a sincere and honest conversation with a very real consideration for the re-release of A-1/IFM.

[PheroQuirk]

@tho

Last night, I was thinking of the god sluts a lot (The 10.2/10 babe I have been talking about in my journal that fell in love with me in 5 minutes and asked me to fuck her and brought her home to fuck until my best friend grabbed her pussy and got her so mad, I also had her 9/10 friend and she told me she wanted to date me) and I noticed that I was sweating like crazy. Is it just me, or my natural pheromone production is basically A1 with obviously some other pheromones. Jeez my armpit smells the same as the IFM bottle, and IFM goes so so so well with my personality. When I get A1 on my skin, I start to sweat even more and I start to glow and feel energized like crazy, and then I feel like the boss of alpha males!

“You must be new around here. We the best.”- Thomas Lavoie on A1

I actually think you are on to something about this glow and energized feeling. Would you say it is something like the ‘nimbus igniting’ that RSD talk about? (Don’t worry if you haven’t read their work - I just think it is the same concept). A1 always seems to move the energy in a positive direction provided one is not exhausted. Ie no edginess or violence as with some other products - there is no sense of aggression or confrontation.

[John_Sebastian]

@ballzan

Honestly dude just use A1, I heard why you quit using it but we are all adults and can handle our selves. If you are worried about it just put all the possible effects on the page of IFM and make a terms of use with a check box before you can add it to your cart, pretty much saying you aren’t responsible for usage or side effects just to cover your own butts. With it being such a small number of people experiencing it, there shouldn’t be a problem anyway. And if you are worried about it not selling (which it should sell great) just start out bringing it back with 5ml bottles only at first.

I know what you heard, but the thing that is completely stopping us other among that is that Erox has a patent and we respect the company.

We do our thing, they do their thing, they license their thing, we still do our own thing.

Listen, if you are a painter and you are out of green - you use blue and yellow. Creativity and innovation doesn’t come from being stuck on ONE tool. I’m honestly surprised that people here are spending more time complaining about us not stocking or utilizing A1 and basically missing out on other big things going on.

You guys are far more creative and innovative than being stuck on one molecule when there’s an entire palette that is begging to be utilized.

Mustang’s right by the way, I may manage this operation but I am not the only person running it. I pass along your requests and they are always heard. But ultimately we will not defy our ethical code nor will we defy our code of innovation and quality.

[ballzan]

@John_Sebastian

I know what you heard, but the thing that is completely stopping us other among that is that Erox has a patent and we respect the company.

We do our thing, they do their thing, they license their thing, we still do our own thing.

Listen, if you are a painter and you are out of green - you use blue and yellow. Creativity and innovation doesn’t come from being stuck on ONE tool. I’m honestly surprised that people here are spending more time complaining about us not stocking or utilizing A1 and basically missing out on other big things going on.

You guys are far more creative and innovative than being stuck on one molecule when there’s an entire palette that is begging to be utilized.

Didn’t know there was a license issue and I wasn’t really attacking you, if you took it that way sorry, just making suggestions. I have never even used A1 but wanted to and would rather give AD my money than some other company but I do enjoy testing out all the test mixes here as well but I have heard such good things about A1 its kind of hard not to want to try it.

[2000GT]

@ballzan

Didn’t know there was a license issue and I wasn’t really attacking you, if you took it that way sorry, just making suggestions. I have never even used A1 but wanted to and would rather give AD my money than some other company but I do enjoy testing out all the test mixes here as well but I have heard such good things about A1 its kind of hard not to want to try it.

This and I really do appreciate AD’s desire for quality products. I think that’s a part of why we’re still banging on about this.

[tho]

I’ll be voting with my dollars: A1 from love-scent.

Last time I bought the edge wipes from them I felt ripped off because it did nothing.

[tho]

@2000GT

This and I really do appreciate AD’s desire for quality products. I think that’s a part of why we’re still banging on about this.

I agree, this should have been made clear from the start. Now I feel like a total ass monkey for restarting a 3rd or 4th poll. The law is the law. Discussion is over.

[ballzan]

@tho

I agree, this should have been made clear from the start. Now I feel like a total ass monkey for restarting a 3rd or 4th poll. The law is the law. Discussion is over.

O’well dude, I didn’t know about the law either so we will just have to stick to getting if from LS for now.

[2000GT]

@ballzan

O’well dude, I didn’t know about the law either so we will just have to stick to getting if from LS for now.

AD could still sell it unscented if they wanted to. The patent hasn’t stopped other companies from selling it. Just my two cents on the matter.

[John_Sebastian]

By the way, if you really are that interested I am still looking for data on this:

MX413 vs A1 (-Androstadienone) (Neroli Fragrance) :: Experimental Test Mixes :: Androtics Direct
MX412 vs A1 (-Androstadienone) (Akuto Fragrance) :: Experimental Test Mixes :: Androtics Direct
MX412-MX413 vs A1 (-Androstadienone) Test Pack (Akuto & Neroli) :: Experimental Test Mixes :: Androtics Direct

I talk about it and the issue with the patent as well as the ‘vs A1’ experiment here:
https://pheromonetalk.com/t/episode-7-august-15-2011-special-announcement/51860

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[John_Sebastian]

@2000GT

AD could still sell it unscented if they wanted to. The patent hasn’t stopped other companies from selling it. Just my two cents on the matter.

Jasmin still doesn’t want to press it because its still patented. Utilizing it unscented is just a loop-hole, feels kind of dirty not to give them the playing field on their own innovation. Maybe some day things will be different, but thats how it stands for now.

We have our own innovations to spend our resources on.