Chin up von

2 x ammo (chest)
7.5mcg tac (neck)
30mcg p96 (neck/wrist)
1 drop a314 (collar bone/ pubes)<— that one’s for you Con!
7.5mcg tac (bed headboard)

Lady from last week this week came to mine.. I returned the favour with dinner and such… Got to say the last mix hit her better. This was smooth but I felt I had to do all the work in initiation and escalation… She reciprocates but it doesn’t really posses the chemistry I’m looking for.. I actually thought she looked a bit prettier this week, which could possibly be the effects of a higher dose of p96. She doesn’t seem to seek any romantic kisses at all, hasn’t really at all since I met her, I think she may even be avoiding them… only once did she initiate a decent kiss and that was during coitus… My supplemental smoothie was this (Jdub!):-

ashwaghanda
schissandra
gingko
pumpkin seed
banana
hemp milk

I think I need to stop using schissandra, or at least lower the dose, as I didn’t even manage to finish last night. It was jumping out my pants and barely went down… Interesting to note no head with half a drop of a314 to the pubes. Surprising but a314 has given me a discerning nonsexual vibe with girls in their 20’s before, still surprising at one drop though.. still the extra 5mcg of androsterone from the ammo could have moved it into daddy territory. Straight ammo seems to serve better with her. I think I have been underestimating how many times she has been coming… we took many breaks and on my last go she couldn’t take anymore, I was almost there but she claimed she was too sensitive as she had just come twice in a row, so she must have come 6+ times and didn’t feel the urge to finish me off.. the gratitude… I don’t know, I think we are both using each other for sex… It’s a nice arrangement, she had to leave after as she had an early appointment.. So she just pops over for dinner and a fuck and leaves… Sometimes I forget how much p130 does until I remove it from a mix… it definately is a flirty touch molecule that enhances every mix… Thinking about buying some summer ammo in x2 atm…

Dam I have to up my game now with making some mixes to compete with you guys. If I am not careful Von you might steal my bitches now dam it.

Nice smoothie and crazy results haha.
What does the smoothie taste like? Is it good or just tolerable? I imagine the banana and hemp milk make it tasty, but what about the rest?
What kind of dose of ashwaganda and shisandra are you using.. (tbsp, gram, etc.?)

On a side note, do you use Hedione?

For me, Ashwagandha (got the root powder) tastes… so horrible (lol). Shissandra (got the tincture) is a bit pungent but withstandable. Adding banana sounds like a nice idea to smoothen things out. Lol. Taking notes.

Plus that powder is to hard to dissolve in anything, it just tends to float back to the surface, I will definitely try blending it in mechanically with the proper equipment.

Yeah I think I remember having schisandra berries before and they were like sour berries, and ashwangada powder root and it was disgusting..

Why don’t you guys use capsules? Is it better to take the powdered versions? Or more cost effective?

The shake is actually really tasty and the powdered ginseng hardly noticeable. I add vanilla extract, sometimes honey also, and blend well.. The gingko I take in a tablet.. The schissandra I empty out of a capsule. Its an extact each tablet equivelent to 1.2gs schissandra berry.. I put in 2-3 capsules.. For ginseng i do a heaped tablespoon.. For the gingko its about a gram or so of compressed gingko leaf, I just swallow it at the same time as the smoothie.. Shazam..

I only have hedione in the form of Aqua Di Gio.. Doesn’t really mix well with neroli, but great with mx297!

You mean ADG’ smell conflicts with neroli? If so it’s probably not because of the hedione, though. I mix hedione and neroli mones all the time :slight_smile:. You really should get some hedione, it’s very cheap for years supply. It smells so neutral, almost like tap water. Very versatile.

I find Hedione a must have yes and for the price you can’t go wrong. There are others to, but don’t post to much to respect Androtics.

I mean the smell of neroli doesn’t go with the smell of aqua di gio.. mx297 really compliments it smell wise though… yeah I should really get some straight hedione you’re right so I can use it with my neroli mones and make new mixes! got some jasmine oil for my mum but stuck a good few blobs on my lucky hat.. had some great fun last weekend wearing mx297 + adj + jasmine oil… its just such a great mix for attracting new women..

So been insanely busy with work trying to run two businesses working long hours so sorry again for neglecting my journal… So with above mix last weekend I let my hair down and pulled my finger out..
Friday night I get bundled into a taxi after last orders at my local by two very young girls and my mate, barman at local.. Ended up in a Gay club, full of women… It was like I was Puff Daddy, I had these two girls eating out the palms of my hands. They seemed to always want me with them and dragged me everywhere.. A guy came up and was like 'you got two women man" and I was like 'yeh" in reality one of them had a bf present and the other was digging me. At one point I turn away to scan the dance floor and a pretty lady started to gravitate towards me. I look back at the young chick and she instantly presents her rear for me to move in on. Clamps and that obviously.. Having a great time but all ended abruptly by getting chucked out and banned for unmentionable behaviour in the toilets… Bouncers however weren’t dicks. When wearing androstenone bouncers sometimes really love to shuv you around.. these were respectful.

Saturday exactly same mix, the local again but a sick music line up.. I sometimes wonder wether I have the best local in the world.. its great because so many familiar heads pop up randomly, its like I know everyone there, gives me good social proof when fresh meat arrives.. Got two numbers.. one from a nice young girl I’ve bumped into a 2-3 times before. She gets all crushy when she cups my ear to talk to me on the dance floor.. She asks if she can come to my birthday party and I say yes and take her number… second one another young girl.. this one had come across county alone to this night! she was pretty hot, young, confident and had similar education and work experiences to me.. She gravitated towards me on the dance floor 2-3 times through the night before I opened her ‘sweetheart you must be boiling’.. had good convo said we should go for a drink and took her number… I’ve texted her and she’s coming down in a couple of weeks… Also after closing my ginger barmaid, subject to many prior posts and long term exposure, gave me a yes to my offer to take her out to a hip hop night with my brother for her birthday… I know not a date but I just genuinely think we would be a killer trio as we all love hop hop, and its gonna be a really sick line up… I offered about a week ago and she said she would let me know.. she loves mx297 and reacted with wonderful preening shaking her beautiful red hair around next to the fan.. She came up to me and told she wanted to come, we flirted some and she reminisced of the time I pretended that she was my girlfriend.. funny thing was she recalled it as being my wife! lol…

Sunday 10 mcg p127
Results inconclusive… Caught ginger bar maid sneaking a peak at me when she came in to collect her wages. She’s pretending to ignore me, I’ve been doing it a lot too… she had a little smirk on.. p127 did not provide a respect in a sense of personal space, but had good camaraderie with the guys in a firm handshake kind of way. A randomer wanted to be my friend. Received many free drinks.. But did feel a slight loose tongue from the guys. first test with this molecule and none the wiser..

Dietary supplement updates

I now take daily;-

pumpkin seed oil… for MPB, apparently a DHT blocker with no reported side effects. I hope it doesn’t have the negatives saw palmetto did. also good for my psoriasis and packed with minerals

hemp seed oil… its my new cod liver oil but much better… good for everything supposedly, including mood… packed with minerals and omegas. using mainly for my psoriasis..

Gingko… for circulation, cognition and mood. Also as back up as I don’t want using a DHT blocker again to ruin my sex drive.. I like every day use of this one.

Tales of more slippery fish and

more experiences/observations on p133

worn this a couple of times again at around 10mcg and once over a drop of a314..
Sitting in a bar in capital city having a few pre drinks with a friend before seeing a gig.. 10-15mcg p133 solo sprayed to the neck… We sit up by the bar and are served by a hot blonde with a fantastic rack. Me and my friend are umming and ahhing over every drink selection letting her sell us whatever we point attention too… Our orders would take ages, but me and my friend are not bad at banter and are asking about her. She is very sweet… It has and IS feel going on but not like a neck breaking smile which IS can deliver. Smoother with a loose tongue, everyone seems happy to elaborate.. after first round she goes to the other end of bar with her colleagues and I notice an outbreak of preening going on. There definitely is some attraction to this putative. our 2nd, last, order again takes a while while we quibble over whiskey choices… She leaves us with our drinks and she walks off. We are thinking how comes we haven’t paid for these but we did the first… We take our time joking about clearly loose tongued, helped greatly by the whiskey.. Eventually she comes up and puts the bill down and we start to chat her up again, at this point I’m thinking to ask her to write her number on it considering the level of trust and patience she invested in us… I hand her two fivers, “one old and one new, you know what that means?” I say.. she’s like no… “It means your getting married!”.. She smiles puts her hands on her chest and says “I have a boyfriend.” “I’m not asking you to marry me, maybe your bf will” I reply.. She says she’s too young, I think she said 23… So this molecule seems to work nicely on young blondes, she seemed to enjoy being called love on the way out.

1 drop a314 rev32
10 mcg p133

A bar with two male friends… One of these guys had a female coming to meet him… She bought her sister (-; Instantly on arrival her sister gives me all the attention planting a big kiss on my cheek from the get go. she follows and sits opposite me. I look into her eyes, am attentive and genuinely interested in her… She was a model from the age of 13 now a decorator blah blah blah I got her life story spilled out on me… my mate grabbed my leg a couple of times under the table to indicate I was in there as he knew her. And that’s when , classic von_phero seduction spoiler coming!, without me really asking anything specifically leading to this answer she tells me she’s 23 and she stabbed her ex husband! I’m clearly shocked and I mustn’t have reacted in the way she needed me to as she went all funny and then was making excuses to leave. Me and my friend let them go while the other followed… I only just remembered this as I pulled her card out of my t shirt pocket doing the washing. Not just IO qualities observed but also IH.

So far p 133 seems like a soft blend of IS, IO, P130 and IH. That’s respectively in predominance of tenacity. Almost out of this molecule now and all I can say is that it is a complex mix of effects ranging from mood elevation to socials.

MY “friend” the STALKER!!! ref. post #239

Ok this lady I once or twice let her give me head and may have had sex once for a bit but was completely smashed. I have always been incredibly mean to her in order to get rid of her but nothing works anymore.. I toyed with being her friend for a bit but she is just smothering me and I can’t take it anymore… The level of infatuation is unbearable and I have Never seen anything like it before. No one else understands why either.. Why does she keep coming back after so much obvious rejection.. sure she has been exposed to many mixes but they weren’t meant for her! I have her calling me in the middle of the night, relentlessly texting me, hovering around me, staring, trying to invite herself over, never leaving my presence, trying to hold my hand, hug , link arms in public, continually telling me she loves me and why and repeating it again and again until tell to shut up or run away.. its got to the point now where I don’t know if I can handle being this mean anymore but she just doesn’t get the picture..I belatedly responded to her last night telling her she is calling and texting me way too much, soon it’ll be to not contact me at all… but my fear is she lives close and she’ll always be able to find me…

I’ve been in a very similar situation before. Needless to say after much mistreatment, arguing, being mean, etc. .. to this day, she still tries to get a hold of me, after over 3 years of no contact. Some are just like that.
I found nothing completely got rid of her, but the best solution I’ve found is to just ignore.

thanks for the advice.. ignoring her it is, problem is she’s already managed to wangle an invite to my party and i said she could do the decoration… I feel I let her get too deep and am regretting it hard.. a harmless bj I thought pffft

I also reported on P133 and is in my journal and I think it was Conjurator that left a comment very similar to what you describe P133 also with IS, IO, and IH. Very interesting and thank you for sharing this.

We all have had a stalker chick and sometimes when you are even more rude and mean to them, they will stalk you even more why I don’t know.

Seems like it could be a very usual molecule indeed. Got just enough left to test it alongside some of my over favourite putatives…

… I guess treating em mean keeps em keen. I responded to her on Monday saying she was contacting me way too much. 4 days later she apologizes and says she’s taken it on board..

MX297 x 2
IS x 2
p130 x 5 mcg

Can’t believe I haven’t tried this mix before, it was great! crafted this as I was at my local and there have been a lot of young student types about.. gigiddy

Reminded myself of an old principle I used to apply when trying to pick up… When out at bars, clubs, parties etc a girls phone number is pretty much useless unless there is some form of escalation during the meet..

I enter everyone greets me asks me how I am.. My mates all seek me out, one wants to sit with his arm around me… (p130).. I turn around and walk off with my pint and a girl looks at me I think I recognise.. I hold the stare and walk off… I’m thinking where do I know her from and it hits me… At this point I’m thinking she’s one of my puff daddy girls from a few posts back.. ! Anyway I get on with just mingling and hanging out with my friends… I go to the loo and a pretty girl jumps out my way smiling and does an after you type curtsy. Later in the night I realise my presupposed puff daddy girl is still lurking about.. I order a whiskey then approach her interrupting who she is talking to, someone I knew. “hey aren’t you that girl from the other night? sorry I left so abruptly.” something along the lines of that she was like “no I get this all the time but you can have my number if you like?”… I take it while we are chatting… I put my hand on her leg and caress it a little while we talk. She starts to crush.. Then I start playing with her ass a little, maybe twice. She starts talking about having to leave and trying to sell me going with her. She was going to meet a friend or cousin or something… I’m like why don’t you come with me? She would have but had made commitments.. So I kiss her then, she seems pretty happy about that and I reassure her another time… She leaves saying “make sure you text me!”… lol I’m pretty sure she was lurking around waiting for me to approach her.

ok 3 dates to report on… first one I tried tac at around 20 mcg over ammo to get it a closer to j dubs proportions…
ammo x 2
tac 22.5mcg
dinner date with the 28yo I’ve been on and off seeing..we had a lot of catching up to do.. She did the most of the talking, got good service and she was very compliant. followed by cocktails and then back to mine.. although we are closing in bed laughing etc this time we don not bone. This mix was causing large amounts of constant laughter.. She says she’s extremely tired(tac!) and has to get a train really early and leaves. but she kisses me on the lips before she goes and texts me the next morning kinda apologising…

following week she texts me and suggests we go to a gig.. after the weekend before being rather lack luster I wasn’t expecting much but she sure did make it up to me.
a314 rev32 2drops
ammo x 1/2
p96 30 mcg
she suggested a sick hiphop night, we drank straight whiskey all night, we did a little sniff and fucked for hours. nb again I didn’t finish with her… could be too much schissandra again could be the condoms… if there is one thing that get girls hornier than pheromones, that is cocaine.. its amazing.. shame because I don’t care for the stuff too much and it negatively effects my dangle. the sex was going great till she suggested I sniffed it off her inner thigh and I said sorry love thats it for the night… this night she seems to have let her defences down a bit more to me, she snuggled to me more romantically. This was the p96 at work most definitely. She did stay this time but left early to go to yoga.. she really has a fantastic body because of this.

the next date is the new chick from previous post
mx297 x 2
is x 2
p130 x 5 mcg

Turns out she is 22 and has a high attraction for me off the bat.. Effortless date. at one point I go to the toilet come back and I can see a togo of p133 lying on the sofa next to her.. I sit down and slide it in my back pocket hoping she didn’t see it… the devil inside of me bought a small amount of drugs I have left over from my birthday party with me.. I was quite wanting to go out and get on it but she just wanted to do some bars and from the diverse selection of goodies I had she only wanted the tiny bit of cocaine… surprise surprise! 3 bars and we are back to mine we ride bare back and I manage to finish. she has a cute amount of cushion going on and a pretty face. pretty text book except the terrible hang over after.. mix worked perfect for the age range.

In conclusion I am keeping tac at 7.5mcg max because of the fatigue factor. P96 will push things in a relationship type direction. And it seems I can keep adding to mx297 to make it even better. After now realising cocaines fantastic effect on women I may look into a particular putative that had caught my eye but never got round to trying.. can’t get into the putative forum atm to check the number but it is the one that supposedly gives a caffeine/ energising type high. not p102. experience anyone..?