College life 9 years ago

Have things changed or have things changed ?

The Organization Kid - Magazine - The Atlantic

“A few months ago I went to Princeton University to see what the young people who are going to be running our country in a few decades are like. Faculty members gave me the names of a few dozen articulate students, and I sent them e-mails, inviting them out to lunch or dinner in small groups. I would go to sleep in my hotel room at around midnight each night, and when I awoke, my mailbox would be full of replies—sent at 1:15 a.m., 2:59 a.m., 3:23 a.m.
In our conversations I would ask the students when they got around to sleeping. One senior told me that she went to bed around two and woke up each morning at seven;** she could afford that much rest because she had learned to supplement her full day of work by studying in her sleep**. As she was falling asleep she would recite a math problem or a paper topic to herself; she would then sometimes dream about it, and when she woke up, the problem might be solved. I asked several students to describe their daily schedules, and their replies sounded like a session of Future Workaholics of America: crew practice at dawn, classes in the morning, resident-adviser duty, lunch, study groups, classes in the afternoon, tutoring disadvantaged kids in Trenton, a cappella practice, dinner, study, science lab, prayer session, hit the StairMaster, study a few hours more. One young man told me that he had to schedule appointment times for chatting with his friends. I mentioned this to other groups, and usually one or two people would volunteer that they did the same thing. "I just had an appointment with my best friend at seven this morning,” one woman said. “Or else you lose touch.”
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There are a lot of things these future leaders no longer have time for. I was on campus at the height of the election season, and I saw not even one Bush or Gore poster.** I asked around about this and was told that most students have no time to read newspapers, follow national politics, or get involved in crusades**. One senior told me she had subscribed to The New York Times once, but the papers had just piled up unread in her dorm room. “It’s a basic question of hours in the day,” a student journalist told me. “People are too busy to get involved in larger issues. When I think of all that I have to keep up with, I’m relieved there are no bigger compelling causes.” Even the biological necessities get squeezed out. I was amazed to learn how little dating goes on. Students go out in groups, and there is certainly a fair bit of partying on campus, but as one told me, “People don’t have time or energy to put into real relationships.” Sometimes they’ll have close friendships and “friendships with privileges” (meaning with sex), but often they don’t get serious until they are a few years out of college and meet again at a reunion—after their careers are on track and they can begin to spare the time. (http://forum.theatlantic.com/WebX?.ee6f6b3)

Woooow… I know a few of those people, like 3 maybe. The other few hundred I know are more… “normal”? Parties are common around here, couples walk to class arm in arm (sometimes other body parts entwined :wink:) and plenty of time for messing around (sex or otherwise). Princeton and the other ivy league schools are much, much, more uptight that I know of. Higher standards and whatnot. People go to public universities to get degrees. People go to ivy league schools to get 4.2 GPA’s, doctorates, masters, and phds (usually a combination of 2 or more) before they decide to save the world. Either that or they’re rich.

Anyways, I don’t know what college was like 10 years ago firsthand, but I’m pretty sure it’s mostly the same, just with more computers and less pot. :smiley:

idiocracy is well on the way

People go to Ivy League schools for the status that a degree from an Ivy League school affords.

That and the social networks they create at those schools (because those social networks will have significantly more wealthy individuals than your average state school).

For example… people go to Harvard for engineering degrees when really… Harvard doesn’t offer all that good an engineering degree. It’s actually a pretty poor degree for someone who wants to go into industry (worse than a good many state uni’s) and only mediocre if you want to go into academia (MIT, CALTECH, Georgia Tech are all much better for academia AND industry).

Those engineering students at Harvard are there for the prestige and status gained from the average person from having a Harvard degree… personally if I was looking to hire an engineer and I had to choose between two recent grads, one from a decent provincial uni (Mcmaster, UofToronto, UofManitoba, McGill, etc.) and one from Harvard who were otherwise fairly equal (both had good interviews, similar extracurriculars, etc) I wouldn’t choose the Harvard because I know about their engineering program and what it lacks (Harvard is really weak on engineering design)… I think a lot of people who didn’t know better would assume that the Harvard grad had a better education.

That’s so true of many things… if I had to choose between a Harvard Business School grad and a Rotman grad from U.Toronto… well let’s say I’ve known some epic idiots from Harvard who knew all the right phrases… I’d rather have someone trained to think that to regurgitate..