Encouraged by some discussion here (and thankful) about stress and mental health issues, I would like to hear views from experienced users.
The question is : what pheromone mix is best for men trying to work through anxiety or depression or both, to still be successful in attracting desirable women?
I hate to disappoint you, but the answer to your question is: None of them.
Women have an innate ability to read subconscious body language cues and a person’s emotional state of mind. They are far better at this than we are. Most will not be attracted. They may show pity, sympathy, and if you’re lucky, you might land a mother hen ‘I’ll fix you’ type. But most will steer clear, pheromones or no pheromones.
I would suggest working on the causes of depression first and eliminating them. Seek therapy if you feel that you need it and good luck with it.
Musk
This - with knobs-on!
Some pheros do have very short-term mood-lifting/confidence-boosting properties but if used regularly, the wearer pretty soon becomes innured to them and they lose their effect. Not medically effective at all.
This situation would seem messed up. To be judged on emotions? We let women feel a big range of things.
I don’t know how a woman could sense so accurately what I’m feeling.
If I am maintaining balanced body language and voice tone.
To think that, if they can sense sadness, that they would turn away because of it, is sickening.
Hmmm my penny’s worth to this. I work in an area where I encounter a vast range of people with a vast range of emotional states from elevated to clinically depressed, sometimes exacerbated by illicit drug misuse. My profession is dominated by women. NOw I’ve often wondered as to this, and after 15 years have drawn the conclusion that women ( in general) do pick up on nuances in body language, the non verbal communication and are more naturally pre dis-positioned towards empathy.
It is really hard to quantify but even the most entrenched offenders who have committed the most abhorrent crimes try and fool me they are rehabilitated and play the game.
What you perceive to be balanced may in fact be identified by someone as something not quite right, similar to the congruence people here report with their mone use.
I use the term congruence in relation to how you present in combination with your inner self.
IMO people are genetically programmed to seek out the best gene pool, and incongruence with mental health conditions do not support that.
However, I have myself been treated for depression and as the poster above suggest I resolved the cause of the depression and once out the other side and able to see that even though I thought I was presenting “normally” whilst medicated and depressed, upon reflection I can see how my views and thought patterns were marred by the condition.
There is light at the end of the tunnel my friend, we are all masters of our own destiny and I wish you well.
Women can tell if I’m taking an antidepressant? I suppose it interferes with the subtle body language and gestures?
Maybe I should do more with A314 and the socials now and stay away from -none . That is, focus more on general and professional relationships and not attempt anything romantic with women.
I thought pheromones might be powerful enough to enable success with women despite battles with depression and anxiety.
I have to agree with the answers above. I would not get attracted to a girl who I felt have anxiety issues, and depression is also a turn-off. It is of course a little bit different if a girl that I already feel a serious attraction to gets anxiety or depressed, in that case I would still not feel sexual attraction towards her at that particular point but sympathy instead, but when she felt better my attraction would come back. This is because I already have a grounded view of her in my mind. When I meet someone new I can only judge them on what I see at that first time and if what I see is anxiety &/or depression this will be what I judge them on. This can of course change later on.
Please understand that I am not speaking about a conscious process here, everyone does this subconsciously. We can become aware of the process but we can’t stop it, at the most we can influence it by consciously trying to see more parts of that person than what’s first apparent, and by trying to understand and ‘fill out’ that quick initial information we got subconsciously.
I who write this has had (and to some extent still have) a couple of bouts of depression myself, and some anxiety issues, also I have issues of low self-esteem. When I realized thaht this made me less attractive I felt that the world was against me and that I deserved to be recognized as a whole person, not just by some come-and-go mental issue. I also felt really bad since I realized that I judged women in the same way, by the same standards. Then over time I came to the realization that I do not have any right to anyone else, I cannot demand or expect to be loved or seen as attractive by anyone else just because I need it or want it. I’ve come to accept it over time. Also I have met a few people who has a capacity to see further into others, who can see beyond what you signal and see what lies below. But the best strategy is to focus on myself in a positive way, beeing a better Walc than I was a year ago, from my own viewpoint. And that will make me attractive.
For some practical advice then: physical training. If you dont do it, start. If you do it, switch things around to challenge yourself, raise your goals. It’s not about looking-good-naked here, that’s just a bonus. Beeing regularly physically active does wonders for the mind and mood. It changes your body posture, in a way that can’t be faked or learned, to make you seem more attractive. No scratch that, it MAKES you more attractive. It lifts one out of the depressive mood-set of nothing-is-meaningfull-I-will-never-suceed, because when training you will succeed with every lift you make. I can honestly say that no matter how bad my mood has been when dragging myself to the gym, it has ALWAYS been better afterwards. And a good gym session makes me feel like I could take on the world. And that mind-set is attractive!
I disagree with most of the responses here. I have bipolar disorder, which includes phases of mania and depression. I take meds for this for 10 years.
I work out regularly with weights to increase testosterone levels which better my mood.
I use IS/AMMO and A product that cannot be discussed here that works even better for me.
In all? I feel up women, I neck, I get BJ’s and more. All within the last few months.
if you are in serious mental disorder deal with your problems first like getting medication, seeking good dietary means, and working out. Once you can do that mones can help.
All in all I stay clear from Edge or NPA that one ALWAYS screws up my mind. Anything with strong scent messes me up too.
I am living proof that someone with serious medical issues can get sex with many women. And some of these are MODEL quality.
So don’t give up just yet.
BTW if your depression is very serious and you are being hospitalized (like I was 10 years ago) and have suicidal thoughts forget mones and get to a hospital NOW.
dsouza
I’ve had an uphill battle with depression and anxiety.
I’d suggest first find a psychiatrist or psychologist. This can be overcome. A great work out, better diet, and throw in some a314 can help take move you through that 
I will say this, if you have social anxiety or a natural predispostion to over analyze social situations you’re in a very good position. I’ve found that once you just face that anxiety, look it in the eyes, and battle through it you’ll be in a very comfortable position to better your own interactions with women.
Interpersonal communication is really just an unwritten system of interactions that can easily be learned by men as well as women have learned it. Between my own classes at school with the speech department, reading psychology, and overcoming that anxiety it makes for a really awesome state of mind.
You can do it my friend.
nice feedback! glad to get different views, well, esp. the encouraging ones.
In addition to the life work (I’d be completely irrational to expect a magic mix to turn everything around instantly, wouldn’t I?), I might try:
A314 (just 1 spray of the strong)
IS (1 or 2 sprays on back of neck - I don’t like the self effects right now)
Some -None
I’m not sure about the IO and IH right now. I guess it would be good as long as I’m feeling ok, but if I’m feeling down it might be incongruent?
Also, the IO and IH interfere with the A314 from what I gather. On the other hand, maybe A314 is too “serious” a product for me right now. Not sure.
Lately I’ve had to fake small-talk even though I feel like x , just to avoid getting out of practice.
Despite the problems, the situation is that I am often able to attract first signs of interest (if I’m not near a low), but it never pans out as I talk with them later. I’m not having any success moving the process along.
I feel like I need that first big success with an attractive women after the dark period - I have waited a while.
That first success seems pretty important, or is it just a mindset?
Anyhow, I wish I had a good “disinhibitor” as well to mix in.
Ermmm not sure someone will be able to detect your’e taking medication, but there will be cues and clues within your behaviour which indicate something is not quite “tickety boo” as we say here. I am not going to go into the mechanics of medication/treatments etc as don’t think it is my place in a public forum to offer advice of that nature. But IMO it is more to do with the underlying condition and how that impacts on your presentation as opposed to the meds.
Just because you have a medical condition doesn’t mean you can’t find romance or be happy. As the other posters have suggested and I concur you need to address the underlying causes and enjoy the ride mones give you. You will find there are plenty of posts about how mones can’t change who or what you are, just enhance what you naturally have. Think of them as a booster to your natural attributes which you have 
PheroHobbyist
Here’s some more products that have helped me with bipolar disorder.
IS/AMMO/MX297. The MX297 is really a social lubricant and will have you feeling like the center of attention in no time at a party. In addition you will find it will help overcome social anxiety , a condition commonly associated with depression. I find 2 sprays sufficient. The first time I tried it I was so impressed with the results I stocked up on 6 bottles of mx297.
A314. This products helps depression too in a way indirectly. It will get you feeling more confident, alert, and intelligent. those are all factors that are effected negatively with depression and anxiety (Both of which I have in addition to manic episodes). Don’t try it without instant shine though. Instant shine is a miracle product. Its self effects are mood uplifting .
I’ve tried many other products too with success and some with great failure. Heavy none products which contains no balancing pheromones have never been effective for me.
What are you after? High status, more friends, more sex? tell us your goals more in depth.
I Like this thread very much as I have bipolar as previously mentioned with phases of depression, constant anxiety (racing thoughts) and mania, even schizophrenia and delusions to some extent. I was very bad before but my condition has turned around a lot due to me taking better care of myself.
I found none OD’s are the absolute WORST with mental illness. rone and nol OD’s are not so bad .. But NONE is the worst. Do not use it alone without balancing pheromones. SOmetimes recovery (mentally) can take days after an OD if you have mental illness.
On another note having nothing to do with pheromones. if you’re off work or school your self esteem can be shot further because you feel your a bum. What I did was buy an expensive guitar system and taught myself 8 u2 songs note for note as played by the U2’s Edge himself over a period of 2 years. I then formed my own youtube channel where I’m uploading all my guitar covers. I have 200 business cards made that state I’m an electric guitarist. In essence although I’m collecting disability cheques I need not tell anyone this or lie about my career. In a year from now I’ll be telling people I’m a musician and they can have my business card and check me out on the internet playing live. Career completed. if they dare ask how much I make I say “enough” after all that is none of their business. If they ask me to perform for them I tell them to check me out on the internet, or hear me play in the car (I have all my performances recorded on CD ROM too). that means great kissing and BJ’s in the car.
Trust me once you start scoring your confidence will go through the roof.
One last point, depression is usually accompanied with a loss of testosterone. Get your T levels checked out!! Then add all the mone tricks noted above. Take it from me I’m 42 now and have been battling mental illness since the age of 15. I was only diagnosed and hospitalized by age 30. that means for 15 years like most people with this illness it went untreated and uncaught.
Before you go all about the process I mentioned above make sure you are seeing a psychiatrist. Don’t take this illness lightly as in its worst case people often commit suicide or become total basket cases. Women come later. First comes your health.
Good luck.
dsouza
I have to agree with Musk, all pheromones do is to get attention directed towards you - but your ability to walk up, open her, and keep her attention is all in your head.
If you show low confidence she will dismiss you.
That’s good to hear. I’ll try A314, IS while I’m working on things.
I’ll put the women thing on hold. At least, not go directly for any kind of romance.
Well, it seems that MONES may help also in the interaction.
I can see that some (maybe those without this issue) are more dismissive, but that’s ok.
As I understand, developing confidence period is key, as many have alluded to. I actually am ok with having to work through things. I don’t see why that would shatter my self-esteem. I’m ok with some surface choppiness and having things “a bit off” at times.
Women often seem to react poorly to my off times. I guess if that turns women away… in my view, that’s on them.
That said, there are definitely areas where I want and need to improve.
Anyhow, my goals now are personal and professional development, having nothing to do with women right now (even though that would probably make me feel more relaxed, I don’t need to be very relaxed)
In terms of pheros, it seems as noted above that A314 and IS are the best choices, but I also wonder if some of the Putatives might be good?
What about P75 for example?
There is no black and white answer to this. Its a grey area and I agree with a lot of what all the posters are saying but that exception to the rule is nagging at me. While most of us steer away from encouraging mones to help people deal with mental issues simply because we dont want to mislead them and give them false hope which could make things worse, I think if you have said conditions and go into using mones with the right mindset they can be beneficial. They wont cure but they can be a catalyst to change.
Yes people can pheromonally pick up on the mental health of others. Women are especially good at this because our brains are programmed to think and act more through emotion. Its not like they can look around a room and say OK this guy has bipolar and this one is clinically depressed simply from mones though. (well some can but your not likely to meet me LOL) They can sense something is off though.
Now this doesn’t mean all women will avoid you because they get this signal. People process the signals the same but they don’t react to them the same. Reaction to what we process is conditioned from life experiences. Some women may feel uncomfortable and uneasy and stay away while others of a more nurturing sensitive nature would reach out.
Now this is going to seem totally prejudice but I don’t mean it in that way it just “is what it is” and I have seen it in my observations.
Highly attractive women are less likely to reach out. Even without being aware they are being judgemental. Lesser attractive women tend to be more emotionally open. Now I am not saying this of every single person there are always exceptions to the rule but this is generally the way things flow.
This is the reason people are telling you that your mental state is going to have an affect on how well your mones work on the target group your indicating.
Depression and sadness are two different things. Sadness is a side effect of depression. Its a human emotion we all feel but feeling it doesn’t make us depressed. I am assuming you have been tested to see if your truly clinically depressed. Not just sat in a room with a Dr person who assumed since your sad or tired you must be depressed and handed you drugs. I am not a big fan of how quickly they just hand things out to mask the health issues without just fixing the cause of the issue so you don’t need to take drugs. I will stop with that because it will just set me off on a tangent LOL
Back on topic >>>>
BL is an important part of communication but its just a part. We can learn to use mones and learn to use our BL to enhance our communications but you can never really totally change whats on the outside without first changing whats on the inside. Its just the way it works. However the use of mones can be one tool to influence and shape that inside change. Just like meds (when truly needed) are a tool to influence change. I am not comparing mones to drugs or saying they will cure anything. The cure comes from you but anything that can positively help you make those changes is good in my opinion.
Again We often tell people if the have mental illness to steer clear of mones and get that taken care of first. I think it depends on the attitude of the user and what they expect mones to do for them. In clinical cases it depends on how well they have those issues controlled. Some people come in thinking of mones as a cure for there anxiety or depression and that they will fix everything for them. This misconception can slow the process of recovery. You seem to have a good outlook on mones and yourself despite your sadness and are looking at other avenues of change as well. As long as you use them as just one tool and remain aware of how they make you feel I think they can be a positive influence in your life.
Yes everything begins with the mindset. That success could influence the mindset one way or another but people don’t realize the importance of what they think. So you can wait for the success to help influence your mindset or learn to change your mindset to influence your success. I prefer the later.
My advice to you is go slow with mones and try to stay aware of those that compliment you and those that don’t. Don’t just go spraying on a bunch of different molecules and mixes at once. Really get to know them and how each one makes you feel as well as how it affects others around you.
From my intuitive side >>> Look to your diet, it can affect us more then we are conscious of. Remember that sadness and anxiety are not mental conditions as much as they are side effects of something occurring in the body. In some cases they are biological conditions that need medication to correct and in some they are caused by a totally different mechanism that meds may mask but wont correct.
Look for and use all the tools available to you and you will come through this whole situation fine.
Tisha
Hi PheroHobbyist, this is my two cents worth and in no way medical advise. I would also recommend not substituting pheromone for clinical treatment, it might supplement but not replace. This is what I have observed, what you should avoid, can try and test for yourself.
Products which might help with depression and anxiety are
mx297 relieves social anxiety and anxiety in general, lifts your mood and boosts your confidence slightly, all of which is good because you can come out of any shell you might have, but it can cause a little bit of friendzoning with certain women but that can be easily rectified with ammo or tuth
P130 is by far the best chill, relaxed, anti anxiety and anti depressive mone I have seen. I’ve used just 1 spray on a few buddies who’ve had heartbreak just to see the effects and it works so well. It helps removes negative thoughts. P130 unfortunately is a cock blocker which unfortunately after having gone through half a togo of the stuff I have not found a solution for. It is very work friendly but definitely not women friendly (at least for me. some other users report that its good)
mx412/13 will feel like P130, even some small interesting self side effects. It’s very similar to the above just that it is a little more uplifting and less chill
P91 feels like mx297 and you can find ways to pair this up with other combinations
IG somehow gives a sense of stableness and groundedness. This might help with anxiety as you feel more at ease, in control yet accepting, unlike A314 which is in control and the ability to dominate.
IS is generally a mood uplifter and TAA is the main ingredient in it. IS does burn through your neurotransmitters really quickly so caution is advised on this product. TAA reports state that used neat, it gives a faster burst of happiness but doesn’t last as long as IS
Avoid
IH and Beta Androstenol have shown possible effects of ruminations in my immediate phero circle, even among healthy individuals sans the aggressive types. I believe one of the reasons why Beta Androstenol makes people open up to you is because it creates a degree of vulnerability, it opens people up but too much causes overthinking and assumptiousness.
A1 is well known to cause no/slight/alot of depression in users depending on your sensitivity. It is great for and when working around in environments populated by alot of women. This is however a double edged sword. I am a firm fan of A1 myself and use it neat, in homebrews and a variety of other products as well but it does cause a slight moodiness in me.
P78 in certain doses causes neediness and mild depression, use with caution.
Possibly Consider the Effects of
A314 as some users including myself have found that it might lead to an overly alpha or aggressive state, or also induce slight moodiness.
Conclusion
Pick up mx297, mx412/13 and P130 if you can, I think you might really like them especially mx412/13 in your case.
Id be curious to see if your sense of smell gets changed slightly ecause of meds your on like what hapened to me. Im on seroquel and ablify and i have had a slight change in smell(can smell body odour easier) when i used IS. I havent tried it yet but im assuming it would work with me, you can reset your smell “pallete” by smelling a fresh can of coffee beans.
excellent feedback, thks again.
Today wore 1x A314, IS (1x repeated every 3 hours or so), P75 (1x twice today).
It felt better without the IO, IH. More grounded, controlled. I got less in the way of female smiles or looks, but that’s fine. My interactions went down pretty smoothly. There seemed to be less energy and friendly connection than with IO, IH, but really, it felt better as there was less anxiety it seemed. The interactions felt more genuine.
The P75 felt less aggressive to me than a NONE product and maybe was relaxing if I were perceiving it correctly (or is this contrary to the nature of this molecule?)
Mood did dip some about 3 or 4 hours after putting on the IS.
My concern over the mx297 is the possible crash the day after.
1xIS was fine for me. On IS, the self-effects seemed too strong when I used 2 x right after putting on IO, IH.
I don’t suppose there is a product like IS that lasts longer?
Anyhow, these suggestions you made look really good, both about products and about real life things.