Derf's sociochemical mistakes/ramble/discoveries

Field Reports & Anecdotal Experience Men's Journals
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Hi all, about time to get a journal going.. no idea how often Ill update this but gotta start somewhere. Beware, most things Ill write will probably be guesses and hunches based on inconclusive testing.

let’s start with a short intro, Im a tall (1.90+ metres, I dont do feet etc), rather slim (~75kg), 19 year old, swedish male. Im currently working at a warehouse which is a very good testing ground for pheromones. Most people, except supervisors and some asian employees, are around my age, there are almost as many ladies as guys and theres plenty of time and oppurtunity to interact with the coworkers. Im gonna be using this rather static enviroment for my more “controlled” tests..

now to my journey so far, this summer I bought a “starter kit” from LS with SoE and NPA, not going to babble about my experience with those right now, but I think m entioned them in my intro thread. then a couple of months ago I placed my first order at androtics for shine and ammo fullsize and openness, honesty, gentleman and tuth as togos and got a togo of spaceland for free (woo! thanks april). since then Ive been doing some random tests and now the plan is to get more structured.

Ok, gotta cut it shorter than I hoped, really need to get to bed. The random tests hints (really need more testing) that just one spray of ammo can create some distance to people in a work enviroment and that two sprays can result in slight ghosting. They also indicate that gentleman gets me exhausted in some way.

Now onto the real testing that started today with Instant Openess, which was the real reason to get this journal started. But the results will have to wait til tomorrow cause derf gets really grumpy if he doesnt get his sleep and this masterpiece has already stolen enough sleepytime as it is.

hugs & kisses
derf
(no I didnt have time to read this through so its probably all messed up anyway)

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looking forward to your next post. I like your writing style!

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thanks alot perronec, sry I didnt deliver on my promise to report about tuesday’s instant openness test. well now its been a couple of days so this is probably gonna be a pretty lousy report, Ill read tishas reporting guide and be a bit more organized next time (wont be until at least tuesday next week when Im back at work)…

well, applied 3 sprays of io from togo around 10 am and then one spray shine from 30ml around lunch. I felt my mind kind of rush abit from the openness and the usual mood lift from shine, but didnt notice much from other people but that’s not the point of this “report” since it was a pretty busy day and not the usual time for chit-chatting. But later in the afternoon (started around 4 maybe) I felt really pumped out, and not the normal “after a long day at work”-tired, this felt weird in some way like it was that mindracing before that drained my energy somehow.

while Im writing this I come to think that this may very well be connected to me feeling kinda half-sick all day today and yesterday when Ive been free for easter holiday. So this may just be nothing and I should keep my mouth shut til Ive done more testing..

sry for this nonsense but if any1 else has gotten exhausted from openness/androstenol by all means drop a line. otherwise Ill be back next week if nothing extraordinary happens during my going-out-testing (alcohol has a tendency to mess that one up pretty nicely)

peace,
derf

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continued (and finished) my tests of openness today, but before we get to that Ive got some preliminary results from ammo+npa from this weekend and yesterday. I usually dont use more than 1 sprays of ammo or maybe 2 at parties/clubs, but both saturday night at party+club and yesterday at work I got noticably more attention and eyecontact than usual with a dab of npa under 1 spray of ammo. will of course look into this further.

Now onto today, at 10:30 I applied 2 sprays of openess to front of neck, 2 to back of neck/hair and 1 to each wrist. this was the last of my togo bottle so the sprays was probably smaller thnan usual. So 6 sprays total(could have been seven just to empty the bottle), yes I really wanted results this time around. Felt happy and upbeat, was really in a joking mood, this feeling lasted for less than half an hour. But still no effect on others. Maybe openness just doesnt suit me somehow, now when I think about it I wasnt very pleased with Scent of Eros either when I tried that over 6 months ago. And the one time I tried spaceland(reluctant to try again, one girl iclose to me car repeatedly asked who had thrown up and said that the car smelled like vomit) I didnt really see any results.

So maybe I have some issue with nol but further tests will have to be with Honesty since Ive unforunately wasted alot lot of openness just adding a spray or two to ammo now and then.

After about 3 hours of no effect I decided to try tuth since I liked the effect of npa. 1 spray ammo, 1 tuth (didnt find tuth, “Ill just take some ammo then”, found tuth, “what the heck”) and 2 shine. This resulted in notable ghosting primarily from guys but also from females, not the same attraction properties as ammo+npa. Conclusion: 1spray tuth is more none than 1 dab npa.

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well so much for serious testing… havnt done much of that since last post, mostly because pretty much all my togo’s and my shine was all but depleted so I was back to ammo and npa. Conclusion: Im not very good at noticing results and need more than a togo to be able to pinpoint a product’s effect. I also need to actively look for signs cause I dont think Im observant enough to notice hits otherwise.

EDIT: Should add that my workplace probably isnt as good a test spot as I initially thought. people seem to have gotten more divided and I dont get the opportunity to interact with everyone daily as I did before(at least I think I did) /EDIT

So last week it was time for a new order, one last -nol product to see what’s really up with me and -nol. More gentleman and shine to narrow down their effects. And moving on to putatives and mx’s, took alot of reading the forums to decide which putatives to buy(I know these should rather be tested without much info, but this order ended up over 400$ anyway so I wanted products that would probably work as I wanted)

30ml Instant Shine x2
30ml Instant Gentleman
30ml CTTM2

5ml Ammo FREE GIFT THX!!!(lovely for a refresher when out and about)

5ml mx203
5ml mx292

30ml p83 10mcg/spray
30ml p86 10mcg/spray
30ml p74 10mcg/spray
30ml p79 10mcg/spray
30ml p75 2.5mcg/spray

Some pipettes and empty togo’s for mixing and mobility
a 30ml bottle with for diluting mainly the p75, all putatives are in 6% neroli btw

So now I really gotta start behaving, test seriously, post results. Im really hoping Ill keep that promise this time around

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Well, on to today’s testing. First on the table is Instant Gentleman. Applied 2 sprays when I got to work around 8am, 1 to front of neck and 1 split between wrists(wearing only tshirt since a couple of weeks ago when it started to get quite warm here, so dispersion should be pretty good).
Self effects: increased confidence and straighter posture, I think the increased confidence made me more talkative
On others: Slightly increased respect I think, hard to say since its first day of the week and I applied as soon as I got to work so my references might be a bit messed up. People seemed to listen more attentively to me and value my opinions more. But all in all very subtle results

after lunch ~1pm I applied 2 more sprays, same as before. dont really think the effects of the first application had died down, hard to say.

On others: effects described didnt seem to increase noticeable(hardly noticeable to begin with so go figure). Noticed that when I met and made eye contact they looked down, like they look up and see its me and look back down instantly. Normally its more like eye contact and a kind of accepting/greeting smile or kinda flirty smile with some girls(respect hit? od?) didnt see the same effect with guys
Self Effects: after about half an hour from appl #2 I started to feel sort of an numbing feeling in my head, kind of like when youve had a couple of beers. Also felt like I was working and moving more efficiently/faster. These two together made for more uncontrolled movements than usual, dropping things more often(my job is basically putting stuff on shelves so its not that unusual to begin with).

as time went on I became almost dizzy and nauseous, to the point of getting that watering sensation in my mouth that you get before you throw up(but alot less intense) this was about 2.30pm I think. break at 3pm, had an apple and a cup of coffee, the dizziness and nausea went away for maybe 10 mins then came back, but less intense than before.

the self effects from before lunch was still there, but not noticeably stronger.

got off at 5pm, was home 15min later(by now the confidence/posture had strarted to fade), had 5-6grapes and felt better but was unusually hungry at dinner at ~6.15pm(confidence/posture effects all but gone). It should be noted that my weekend was rougher than normal(less sleep, more alcohol) and my lunch was probably a bit smaller than normal which could have caused or contributed to these negative effects.

Duration: ~5h

before writing this I read through this journal and noticed that I felt exhausted when I was testing my previous togo of gentleman too, didnt remember this at all before I read it here. Interesting, any1 else seeing this effect with gentleman/-rone?

Another note, the straighter posture feels more natural than when I normallly think to myself “hey, I should straighten up too look more confident/attractive”

If I get the negatives worked out, it will probably be a good baseline dailt mix but for me it seem to need a little more punch or fun/sociability

that’s all for tonight I think, have some reporting from this weekend to do(almost pherobaptism, with good results), but thats gonna have to wait. More testing of gentleman tomorrow, or maybe not, have a graduation party to go to and dont wanna be as pumped out as I was today. We’ll see

derf out

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A quick summary report on the days between last post and today, dont remember all that much:

Tuesday I started with 1 spray of gentleman to front of neck at 8 am when i got to work, added 1 more after lunch ~1pm(split between wrists I think).

Most self-effects I noticed monday(last post) was still there, though a lot less pronounced, almost not noticeable until I added the second spray I believe. No exhaustion today.

Although I wont report on it, I need to tell you that tuesday afternoon/night I wore a mix consisting of a dab of npa, 1spray gentleman, 30mcg p74 and 3 sprays of cttm2. The reason I tell you this is that I think it caused residual effects yesterday(wednesday), or else the gentleman induced kind of a (respectful) distance and going without it caused the positive effects.

The point is yesterday I went pheroless(thought i would be tired enough anyway, but turned out I wasnt that tired), and noticed an signficant increase of eye contact and overall flirty behavior from girls. Also I think(not sure) I got more of a friendly, “guy I wanna be around” kinda respect from everyone. Thinking this probably is none-heavy npa left-overs since I suppose none of the other is sticky enough to last well above 12 hours. Maybe Ill go back to some npa testing tomorrow, havnt tried it alone in a long while

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Time for today’s testing, didnt put on anything when I first got to work, trying to spot any before/after differences. At ~11am I put on 3 sprays of gentleman(front neck, each wrist). Besides the initial couple of minutes long “boost” I didnt really notice any self-effects, but this was a rather busy day so I just might have missed them. Anyway they werent obvious enough to break through to me and no exhaustion today either, maybe Im getting “immune” to IG self-effects…

I think IG gets me kind of an “he knows stuff”(professional?) kind of respect people(equal status to me at work) seemed to ask me more for help and what to do. This might have to do with us changing our inventory system and me, being a fast-learner and curious guy, getting the hang of it pretty fast and was able to help the others, the questions werent just about this however.

EDIT: Not sure if it had to do with the IG but it seemed to promote male bonding(something I havent seen before). Later I also noticed a very, funny/happy/silly mood in my department but I dont think it was phero-related, just an overall atmosphere change.

But it doesnt seem to get me the more friendly, “cool guy” kinda respect that Im really looking for.. I suppose this concludes my testing of gentleman, at least solo. Really need to continue to the other products I bought cause I wanna try them all before I leave my job in late july for studies.

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So today I tested NPA. Last night I created a mix of 0.5ml NPA, 1.5ml cologne and 3ml perfumers alcohol, that is diluting the npa 1:9, and put it in a togo. Have some calculations that Ill show you at the end of this post, but didnt make them until just before writing this so I wasnt really sure what to expect from the mix.

I have previously had decent hits with one or two dabs of npa but wanted to use a sprayer to know somewhat accurately how much i put on. I compared(size wise) a dab of npa with a spray from my 30ml bottle of alcohol and from that tried to make a mix that was slightly weaker than a dab per spray. Hopelessly inaccurate I know…

Tested at work as usual, first spray around 9am, second at 11am and last one around 1pm.

Didnt notice much from the first spray, got a very short(max couple of min) buzz and maybe was working a little more efficiently and focused. 2nd spray, short buzz again and same self-effects as before but now definately noticeable. A guy that Im pretty close to at work, somewhat alpha, at least in our “gang”(3guys, 2 girls), seemed to “test” for congruency with my more dominant signature or at least showing off himself as more alpha than usual.

After the third spray I was restless, while sitting down for half an hour discussing improvements for my division I was playing with my knife and various pieces of plastic packaging almost the whole time. this is something that I dont usually do.

No significant hits from the girls such as I remember from “dabbing days” with npa, but my memory is among the worst u can find anyway…

Also added 2 sprays(more like 1.5, kind of missed with one) when I got to the gym at 3.30pm. Immediately felt warm at front of neck where I sprayed but didnt notice any flushing, didnt look anymore after that however. For the first 30+min I found that the music at the gym was very irritating, intrusive somehow. maybe it was louder than usual but I dont think so.

Considering the limited reactions from other people I initially thought my sprays was significally weaker than the dabs, but after doing the following calculations Im thinking maybe I was ODing from the start.

Supposing that NPA has 480mcg of pheros per ml and half of that is none(seems that way on LS forums) and a togo spray is 0.125ml (5ml, 40sprays) I get 3mcg none per spray of my mix. This seems like alot considering that I mentioned OD effects from 1spray tuth(2.5mcg none) covered with 1 spray Ammo(additional none but very well buffered). More testing will follow, maybe diluting it even more

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Tried my NPA 1:9 dilution again today, 1 spray to top chest under t-shirt and smeared my wrists a little in it, applied at 8am when I got to work. If people wasnt more morning-grumpy than usual today there were obvious signs of none OD, ghosting and dismissive behavior. Before lunch, ~11.45, I added two sprays of shine x2 for buffering, one to chest and one split between wrists.

This relieved the OD effects somewhat but there was still some distance to me, started to see subtle signs of interests from some of the girls, cant remember any of these before the shine application but maybe it just wasnt the right situation.

later in the afternoon from maybe 2.30pm I started seeing friendlier-than-normal behavior towards me from some people, delayed shine effects maybe? But given that Ive read that Shine is one of the shortest lasting products and that these reactions definitely peaked towards the end of the day, after 4.30pm, Im guessing theyre mostly because the none OD did wear off and leaved just some of the attention grabbing effects of none.

will try to dilute even more, probably to 1/4 the current concentration and continue testing. But tomorrow Ill probably just go with Shine to avoid build-up

Thats it for today,
derf

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Did some testing with my shine x2 today, 3 sprays right before lunch (11.50, front neck, each wrist). Instantly had a slight lightheaded feeling that increased for maybe 5 mins, then decreased to lower than the initial intensity. Also felt like my movements were lighter too. these sensations lasted quite long and i cant tell when they ended cause they faded unnoticeable. I suppose my mood is still(10h later) lighter than usual, probably due to some kind of positive feedback loop.

Didnt notice any clear effect on others, maybe a slight happier than usual mood. the problem is that I obviously has do try pheroless first and then add pheros and not the other way around. This means I do my pheroless testing in the morning when people often is in a worse mood than later in the day.

I suppose the main effect on others should be they feeling the same light mood as me when around me and thus wanting to be around me more. this maybe is hard to test in my work environment because people either has work to do at the same spot as me or dont, this could also mean that when someone actually goes out of their way to be near me it should be pretty easy to spot but it hasnt happened yet.

the stick around effect would probably be easier to spot in other, social, sitiations but in such situations I want to be testing more potent mixes… with my previous tests of shine x1 (before I ran out) I probably expected more of a “me and everyone around me gets in a happy and playful mood instantly”-effect and didnt notice the subtle changes that did happen that much. Seems like its quite easier for me to spot effects from attraction mixes than social mixes. Will have to be more observant of my own and others behaviours when pheroless to be able to do better comparisons..

tomorrow Im going out to eat and have some drinks after-work and Ill probably be testing mx292 then. to avoid none buildup during the day Ill probably be testing p74…

good night,
derf

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Back to work after the weekend, couldnt keep my hands off the putatives any longer so today I tested p75. I had prepared a togo with my 2.5mcg/spray p75 diluted 1:1 with alcohol, resulting in ~1mcg/spray.

applied ~2.5 sprays to top chest/front neck at 8am when I got to work. Noticed some kind of self-confidence boost(will discuss later in post).

At first it seemed like people were hesitant to start conversations with me, even for morning greeting(we all see each other 5 days a week so I dont always greet everyone everyday, but people seemed more hesitant than usual to greet me without me greeting them first).

I added 1 more spray about two hours later(dont really remember sry). The primary effects on others by this molecule seems to be raising my value with no effort at all from my side, also seems to have attention getting qualities, not necessarily sexually just more attention socially.

However it also seems sexual somehow or at least quite attractive, a girl at work that I find rather interesting and who has showed me signs of interest before showed those signs more clearly today, teasing, blushing, eye-contact was more obvious and seemed to get over to me just to talk to me which I dont think she has before. Previoulsy I thought she was intersted, now I know…

I wont comment on my energy level today although it was kinda weird, because I was back from a 4-day weekend and this morning I took some kind of supplement with ginseng.

The hesistance to talk faded rather quickly(dont really have a time-frame), and the value/attention instead seemed to promote conversations.

Oh, forgot to mention, when my “social group” was gathered for the first break(10am), the guy thats usually most alpha almost didnt speak at all, and he was rather quiet throughout the day.

Now, back to the confidence thing. Its not at all like the Instant gentelman confidence, walk straighter etc, confidence that really shines through. It was softer, more internal, self-content somehow, dont really know how to define it, need more testing

As usual this is just a preliminaty report, havnt nearly done enough testing to say anything conclusive. But everything I write down about my phermone testing I write down here so itll be accessible for everyone, dont think itll help anyone but myself yet however…

thats it for today,
derf

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Id like to add something to yesterdays report, in addition to increasing my own value it seemed that everyone was sort of at the same level, dont know how to describe more precise yet. This might have opened the flow of conversations a bit in groups that were affected.

p75 again today. waited til around 11am and applied (from the undiluted 30ml) 1 spray to top chest/front neck and 1 split between wrists for a total of 5mcg.

The self-effects I noticed was again that confidence, and Ill try to describe it again. It doesnt show outward that much(although I get a noticeably straighter posture) but instead its like I feel like Im better than I normally think I am, if that makes sense at all. Think I need to go back to Gentleman to get a better feel for the differences.

I didnt interact so much with people except on and around the lunch (12-12.30) and afternoon(3-3.10) breaks. During lunch I didnt notice much reactions from others. But on the later break I definately noticed an increase of my value in the group, I didnt notice the same attention as yesterday though.

Although I didnt notice any negative OD effects 5mcgs might have been too much and the increase of effects later in the day was maybe just because the concentration on my skin was decreasing towards my sweet spot?

I did notice the “same level” effect mentioned earlier too, maybe its just that I am in reality lower value than I think and just increasing my own is closer to “everyone on the same level”

cya
/derf

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been pretty stressed and generally out of it for about a week hence no posts. During this period Ive finished my initial testing of p75 and also done some work on p74. Will do a summary on my preliminary impressions on those when Ive got the time, I should really have done that while those where still on the top of my head but oh well…

Today I tested p83 (10mcg/spray), first one spray to top chest, slightly smeared to wrists, just before 10am, then added 1 spray to same spot and one more split between wrists just before 12.

For self-effects the best word I can think of is indifference, but that doesnt really cut it, more like “what the heck, Ill just do it, I dont care what they think”-feeling. Definitely more pronounced at the higher dosage, even to the borderline of thinking like a jerk and even acting like one. I like this effect, I think its quite healthy to me but I need to find a sweetspot.

On others: At the lower dosage I could barely sense an increase of attention and communication going my way. But with the higher dosage if anything there was an ignoring/ghosting effect. With the higher dose there was also an increase in irritation, not overall it seems but something that usually might have gotten me joking remark now got me a seriously irritated remark. This is something I also noted when I tried it at a high dose (cant remember if it was 30 or 50 mcg, think it was 30) sometime last week.

During Last week’s test I also noticed increased intensity ioi’s from a girl at work who had been throwing them my way before that also. Maybe be the same “what the heck… etc” thing as described above. She isnt around this week so nothing to note on consistency there, but I have been adding 10-20mcg p83 sometimes during a party etc and it seemed like it spiced things up a bit.

Doesnt seem to be a very long lasting phero, at least the negatives was not very noticeable after maybe 3hours.

goodnight,
derf

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Today’s test was p79 (10mcg/spray), new bottle but I think I got around 20mcg to front neck and 10 split between wrists, applied 10.45. Immediately got a sense of, not anxiety, think I had a better word for it but I lost it :stuck_out_tongue: this feeling was gone after less than a minute.

After a couple of minutes I felt a slight pressure to my head, reminding me of the feeling of a head-ache though much less intense. Maybe 5 min after appication I noticed my face was warmer than usual. Both of these effects subsided substantially in a mater of minutes but were still noticeable when “looking” for them, especially the pressure.

My mood was significantly lighter after application, quite similar to the effect instant shine has on me. This, I think, lasted throughout the day, an effect that is very similar to that of p75. I will discuss this further when I finally get around to post my initial p75 summary but it feels like these molecules gives my mood a boost and then it continues to be better than originally by own force even after the pheromones duration of effect.

Socially I think this one had the effect of others treating me like someone, I think(again :stuck_out_tongue: very preliminary thoughts here), you either have a bit too much respect for or not much at all. In one situation, I was thanked a little too much then the person moved on like to avoid further conversation.

/derf

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Last test this week was p86. Applied 30mcg to front neck and 10mcg to each wrist (50mcg total) around 9am. I got some kind of calming/soothing self-effect that lasted around 3-4h I think, pretty constant intensity except for the first maybe 10min when it was stronger. I didnt really notice any other effects on either myself or others. People around me might have been a little more calm and collected than usual, not sure.

A wonderful weekend to you all,
derf

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When going out last night I tried a variation of djandarials Instant Glamour #IGP mix. My mix was:
1 Small dab Npa (chest)
2 Mx292 (1 front neck/1 split between wrists)
2 Gentleman (1 front neck/1 split between wrists)
2 Shine x2 (1 front neck/1 split between wrists)
2 P83 10mcg(1 front neck/1 split between wrists)
4 Cttm2 (2 front neck/1 each wrist)
~1mcg P75 (split between wrists)

I was going out to a bar/pub with 3 mates. 1 very close friend that I havent seen very much the last months, 1 that I havent seen much since we graduated 1 year ago and the last that I dont know that well. We were lucky enough to get the last seats at the bar. I got very good response from my friends, respect, good convo, I more and more became the leader of the conversation etc.

The self-effects were sort of comfortable, social, calm, willing to lead the conversation. I also got some great hits from two girls in particular. The first squeezed herself in between me and my friend to order although Im pretty sure there was more room on either side of our group. Since we were sitting right at the bar there was heavy body-contact between her and me while she was standing there. While she was waiting for her drink she opened me and we exchanged a few comments with quite intense eyecontact before she returned to her table.

The other girl came up with her friends to order, I sat with my back facing them talking to my friends. I turned around once and caught her looking at me then looking away. They came back maybe half an hour later and she stood closest to me again, facing more and more away from her friends towards my back for every time I glanced over there. Before they left I caught some very intense, she was standing right next to me, eyecontact with her for a couple of seconds while she was turning her whole head to look at me.

We were just there to have some beers and catch up so I didnt pursue anything but they were the type of hits that you feel you can take quite far.

I arrived at the bar around half an hour after application and we left after about two hours to meet a girl friend of some of the others and go to a club. I think the hits with the girls was during the first hour or maybe hour and a half of arriving and I also think the response from my friends had died down a little bit before we left. No really good hits at the club.

To sum it up: The social/respect response from my friends was among the best Ive had and the hits from the girls was probably the most obvious Ive seen(sure, it was alcohol involved but she didnt seem that intoxicated). Will definitely try again but refresh after 2 and a half or 3 hours, maybe with 1 spray mx292, 10mcg p83 and a couple of cttm2 sprays. Thank you Andarial for the inpiration :slight_smile:

out,
derf

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Lets keep testing, but Please do not cut the mx292 that is the catalyst.

Keep it up bro and please do let me know when you post inregards to this mix.

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“To sum it up: The social/respect response from my friends was among the best Ive had and the hits from the girls was probably the most obvious Ive seen” -Derf

…And who says my mix’s are bat $hit crazy?

Now remember this was a spin off, and not the original formula… the original is… so much better :wink: