Just wanted to ask a couple questions regarding diluting math and PA fragrance. First of all, was thinking of getting ANOL, BNOL, and P79 in 50mcg/spray in 5ml To-Go bottles.
Just wanted to check my math regarding dilution. So at 50mcg/spray that would be 50(mcg) x 40(sprays) = 2,000mcg per 5ml(or 40 sprays). 2,000mcg/5ml= 400mcg per 1ml? Or 200mcg per .5ml? So if I had:
1ml of the product(ANOL, BNOL, P79 at 50mcg/spray) + 4ml of PA = 10mcg per spray because the 5ml bottle has 400mcg total of the product therefore 400mcg/40 sprays = 10mcg per spray?
.5ml of the product(ANOL, BNOL, P79 at 50mcg/spray) + 4.5ml of PA = 5mcg per spray because the 5ml bottle has 200mcg total of the product therefore 200mcg/40 sprays = 5mcg per spray?
Doing this would effectively allow me to have 5 To-Go bottles of these products each at 10mcg/spray or 10 To-Go bottle of these products at 5mcg/spray?
Now about PA and fragrance. Is the only way to buy PA from AD to buy a 30ml bottle and add PA under the options? Also, if I am going to dilute the aforementioned products in PA should I get the PA in a light fragrance or would the fragrance from the half or single ml of product be enough? Likewise, when diluting A1 in a 30ml bottle, should I get the PA in a light fragrance or cologne strength fragrance?
On a side note, if I didn’t want to buy PA, could I substitute my John Varvatos cologne as the PA for diluting? Btw, I did do a search regarding these questions but couldn’t find some of the answers I was looking for. If anyone knows of any threads which discuss these specific questions please link them. Thanks!
Awesome, and thanks for that formula, much easier to use! Well, I was going to start by diluting the products down to 5mcg/spray and than after finding my sweet spot, I’d dilute it up to that particular amount that works best for each individual product. Which would be incremental correct? .5ml = 5mcg/spray, 1ml = 10mcg/spray, 1.5ml = 15mcg/spray, 2ml = 20mcg/spray, etc..(When mixing in a 5ml To-Go with PA from the 50mcg/spray bottle)?
Btw, any ideas with the questions I had about PA, cologne, and fragrance in regards to dilution:
Have an extra question regarding copulins and EOW. Have some on the way and also want to dilute in some PA or cologne. Kind of repeating my question from before but can I substitute my John Varvatos cologne for Perfumer’s Alcohol?
From what I’ve read it seems that there are conflicting amounts to use with 5ml and 30ml bottles. According to catlord’s postings it seems that 1-3 drops is good for a 30ml bottle, but I’ve also read in a post by tisha that 8 full droppers(Which she says equates to 8 drops, so 64 drops total?) is also good for a 30ml bottle. Was there a difference in strength here because 1-3 drops and 64 drops seems like a huge difference! Perhaps I misunderstood the postings. Anyone have any experience with cops and/or EOW that would like to add any words of wisdom to my questions? Also plan on adding some drops to IJ to try to recreate the old school IJ. Any help is greatly appreciated!
Found a post by tisha saying to try out 1 drop of EOW in a 5ml To-Go bottle so I’ll give that a try first. Gonna buy 3 empty To-Go bottles and mix together three different versions to dilute the EOW. For now I’m gonna try one with 1 drop, one with 2 drops, and one with 3 drops. Gonna mix it with cologne too as it seems it won’t be a problem. However, I have had this cologne since 2008 or 2009, would this effect its effectiveness in using as a PA with EOW?
Not sure I understand the PA question. Yes you can buy it here in the mixing supplies area >>> https://pheromonelabs.com/
ot you can buy it at one of the perfume making suppliers online. Its up to you. Dont forget to get some pipettes.
As for mixing it in your cologne. I wouldn’t try that until you have more experience mixing. Frankly I dont suggest you buying them and diluting them if you have not tried them before and know your sweet spot and how they work for you. Why spend all that money on mones and supplies your not sure of yet. Thats just my opinion though, you do what you want.
There is conflicting info because those posts were addressing specific questions and the concentration of EOW has changed a few times over the years.
The difference between Catlords and My posts are in the subject matter of each of the threads. In his he was suggesting what worked for him and most males for a attractive experienced sexy vibe. Generally I would agree with him but the formula you pointed out that I was posting about with the 64 drops was about recreating the original IJ or Dirty product. If I remember correctly I pointed that out in the post. Its more of a player, used, male whore vibe… hence the name jerk. That had quite a bit of copulins in it.
The one drop per 5 ml post was addressing scent issues that some of the females were having and who are rather young and still ovulating. They tend to need much less then the older women. Finding dosage is tough for women and even tougher for men because men do not make copulins. To much on a male indicates he is taken and women may avoid. Of course you always get that handful of women who dont care if your taken or not though. It depends on the quality of target your shooting for.
For just your basic sexy experienced vibe go with Catlords break down. Maybe just slightly higher because I believe the concentration changed shortly after he posted that. Men need very little to enhance. If you want the Jerk vibe go higher.
If your married or in a committed relationship avoid cops all together unless you like sleeping on the couch.
Thanks so much for help Tisha! My main questions regarding PA was whether I should get it with light fragrance or cologne strength fragrance when it comes to diluting A1 and EOW(especially in regards to the smell) and also when diluting ANOL, BNOL, and P79(Which I plan on buying in a Neroli light fragrance)? The reason I wanted to dilute the ANOL, BNOL, and P79 was because the lowest mcg/spray you can get them in is 12.5mcg/spray so I figured I’d get the 50mcg/spray and dilute it to get it down to 5 or 10mcg/spray. And I figured it would be better to start off with a lower dose when trying to find my sweet spot with each product. Would this not be a good idea?
Also, what is the difference between diluting in cologne versus diluting in PA? As I recall in K-Train’s A-1 guide, he recommends using PA or substituting your own cologne for his A-1 formulas. Would this not work with EOW?
Thanks for clarifying about yours and catlords advice. I’ve been reading so many threads on EOW and copulins, the information I gathered got a tad tangled. I do recall those differences now that I think about it.
In regards to the 1 drop per 5ml bottle, I believe you may be thinking of something different than what I was quoting, as I was only looking at threads in the Men’s section when searching for EOW and copulins information:
Well for the anol and bnol its not likely you will need less then 12.5 mcg. These two have been around a long time and generally you need more unless your using them to steer other pheromones. Again its up to you but I would get those two in the standard to start.
P79 if for steering so you could dilute that.
As for fragrance strength that is personal preference but I would go with light to avoid over scenting.
EOW is not a pheromone its made from fatty acids and lipids so it binds well to any scent. You could use your cologne for that.
A-1 is a pheromone derived from hormones and is molecularly different then EOW. Now I am not saying you can not use your own cologne to dilute but effectiveness may vary depending on what scents are in the cologne. Some bind well and some dont bind to the pheromone molecule. I would start with the PA and then experiment with using different colognes.
It would be easier for me to tell you how much to try if I knew what your goal or intention of using EOW was. What kind of message or vibe are you looking to send ?
Starting low is best with EOW especially for men. Believe me when you smell it you will agree LOL. Lots of men can not tolerate the smell at all.
Excellent I’ll just get the ANOL and BNOL in 12.5mcg/spray than. And as far as what to dilute the A1 and EOW in, that’s perfect! That is actually what I was going to do.
As far as my intentions with EOW go, I honestly want to experiment with all possible vibes from subtle social proof and being in demand to full on manwhore. So I guess I’m looking for the smallest amount used to get that social proof effect for now. And after some testing with that I’d work my way up to full on man whore dose
