Dilluent advice: too much oil?

[flight]

EMERGENCY!!!(=my eagerness+stupidity+not asking)
Ok so I finally ordered some putatives, but before they get here, I need some advice which I probably should have asked for earlier.:o

I ordered p83, 86, 79, and 126. I also ordered some A1 (full strength) from LS as well as some EOW.

I ordered all the putatives at 112.5 mcg per spray in togo bottles, because I wanted to save money. I ordered a 30ml bottle filled with diluent and just picked the diluent they said they liked the best for diffusive properties without thinking much about it, just realizing it was oil and would fix the pheromone to it. I then realized later after doing the math that I would need to dilute the empty togo bottles I got by filling them with at least like 90% oil. I know the oil creates a longer diffusion time and better curve, but can too much oil and not enough mones cause them to diffuse too slowly? (I don’t really live in an environment where diffusion being over too short of a time is a problem cuz its kinda cold here.)
If that is too much oil, and seeing as it is probably not the best diluent for my environment, do you think I should get a hold of some perfumer’s alchohol?
Also, the amount of diluting needed for testing will probably pretty much eliminate the akuto scent, which isn’t a big deal, but makes me sad. I wanted to try it. Which reminds me… I got the oil that was treated with natural musks and ylang ylang… what does that smell like? And if its bad… is it easily covered? does it work well with neroli?
Embarrassed I got myself into this fix,:o but I’m sure it would have been worse to not mention it. Your help is greatly appreciated.

Oh and I’m pretty sure that Steve said that for his oil bases he made about a 7x concentrate. Does that mean that to get the same effects I would have gotten for 5mcgs per spray of a molecule that was dilluted in perfumers alchohol that I will have to make it have 35mcg per spray?
And also, for the putatives and experimones, it says they are dissolved in perfumers alchohol and time fixed with DPG… how much DPG?
One more thing: If I dillute the mones like 1:9 mones to oil, will it come out half decent from the sprays of a togo bottle? If not I only have one roll-on which is on its way from LS. If anyone has that roll-on bottle and has used it with a mainly oil mix, do you know about how many inches total are in one bottle so I can give good feedback on the dosages?

[mikotorocks714]

Damn, I don’t know dude. Why did you rush so fast into a pheromone expert move only an expert who already has their basic pheromone knowledge down to a tee would do? Chances are you probably just wasted your money right there, but hopefully an expert will get you the answer you need. Been here a little longer and I still don’t screw with mixing as I’d rather be safe than sorry.

[tisha23]

Whew that’s a lot of questions LOL

Don’t panic now, I would have taken a totally different approach for oil mixing but we can work with what you have. Take it one molecule at a time. Now your using a 5 ML bottle. Just so you know the sprayers are not for oil mixes although some people use them for it. They tend to clog with the oil so the dropper bottle or roll on is better. Where did you get the oil ?

When using the to-go bottle…

The easiest way to transfer them to the to-go size bottle when your giving me the concentration in sprays instead of how much is in the full bottle is to carefully spray it directly into the to-go bottle.

So one spray would be 112.5 mcgs total

2 would be 225 mcgs per bottle and so on.

Now there are forty sprays in a full bottle. 112.5 sprayed into a to go bottle is going to give you about 2.8125 mcg of pheromone per spray. We will round it off at 2.9

This part is only for those who may read this and bought the 30 ml bottles…Now you need to take into account that the to-go bottle sprayer is smaller then the full size bottle sprayer. So your really getting only 85% of the mcg you would in a 30 ml. This puts you at about 2.5 mcg per spray in a to-go bottle.
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Now for the oil, Its going to depend on what you found your dosage range was when you tested each of these for how much you should use in the mix. Oil diffuses slow and long. Its much more of a subtle hit so in my oil mixes I tend to use more pheromone then I would normally. I tend to use a 5 to 1 ratio myself. So if 2.9 is your normal dosage then you would need around 5 sprays into the to-go bottle of oil to get close to same effect as with the alcohol based product. Steve uses more 7X so he would use 7 sprays into the to-go bottle.

There is DPG in the products you bought already and you do not have to worry about that unless you buy them in dry form

One other factor to consider is that it will separate in the oil so you need to shake it before each use.

I got the oil that was treated with natural musks and ylang ylang… what does that smell like?

Where did you get this oil from ? Its easier to tell you if we know exactly where it came from.

It should be fine with neroli but musks are not easy at all to cover. They tend to over power the scent.

And also, for the putatives and experimones, it says they are dissolved in perfumers alchohol and time fixed with DPG… how much DPG?

It depends on the dosage of pheromones your creating from the dry crystals. Really doesn’t apply to your situation.

If I dilute the mones like 1:9 mones to oil, will it come out half decent from the sprays of a togo bottle? If not I only have one roll-on which is on its way from LS. If anyone has that roll-on bottle and has used it with a mainly oil mix, do you know about how many inches total are in one bottle so I can give good feedback on the dosages?

1 to 9 ratio probably wont show results in a oil.

Roll on and dropper bottles are better for oils but the one draw back is you really cant gage dosage as easy. I still prefer this option to the spray bottles for oil.

So here we go for roll on or dropper bottle We will say you have the 5ml roll on.

112.5 mcg per spray times 40 equals 4500 total mcg per bottle.

4500/5ml= 900 mcg per ml.

900 ml which gives you about 22 t0 25 mcg of pheromone per drop of oil. Its oil so it fluctuates. ( be sure to shake) .

I am not sure about the dosage of pheromones in inches. To many other things factor in really. What kind of oil, how dry the roller is when you start, How well you shake it up, If its separating. Its hard to tell. I usually say one six inch roll is one spray dose myself.

If your reporting on the products for androtics benefit though then you need to test with a unmodified version of there product. Anything else is just for personal use and still useful info for the other members.

Tisha

[tisha23]

Sorry for double post, I also wanted to mention that putatives while effective are better used for enhancing your mixes or pairing up with other mainstream mones like anone arone anol etc etc… They sell them seperate for testing and mixing purposes. Just keep that in mind when your using them. You can come up with some good mixes with A1 and some of the putatives you bought though.

Tisha

[flight]

@tisha23

Whew that’s a lot of questions LOL

Don’t panic now, I would have taken a totally different approach for oil mixing but we can work with what you have. Take it one molecule at a time. Now your using a 5 ML bottle. Just so you know the sprayers are not for oil mixes although some people use them for it. They tend to clog with the oil so the dropper bottle or roll on is better. Where did you get the oil ?

When using the to-go bottle…

The easiest way to transfer them to the to-go size bottle when your giving me the concentration in sprays instead of how much is in the full bottle is to carefully spray it directly into the to-go bottle.

So one spray would be 112.5 mcgs total

2 would be 225 mcgs per bottle and so on.

Now there are forty sprays in a full bottle. 112.5 sprayed into a to go bottle is going to give you about 2.8125 mcg of pheromone per spray. We will round it off at 2.9

This part is only for those who may read this and bought the 30 ml bottles…Now you need to take into account that the to-go bottle sprayer is smaller then the full size bottle sprayer. So your really getting only 85% of the mcg you would in a 30 ml. This puts you at about 2.5 mcg per spray in a to-go bottle.

Now for the oil, Its going to depend on what you found your dosage range was when you tested each of these for how much you should use in the mix. Oil diffuses slow and long. Its much more of a subtle hit so in my oil mixes I tend to use more pheromone then I would normally. I tend to use a 5 to 1 ratio myself. So if 2.9 is your normal dosage then you would need around 5 sprays into the to-go bottle of oil to get close to same effect as with the alcohol based product. Steve uses more 7X so he would use 7 sprays into the to-go bottle.

There is DPG in the products you bought already and you do not have to worry about that unless you buy them in dry form

One other factor to consider is that it will separate in the oil so you need to shake it before each use.

Where did you get this oil from ? Its easier to tell you if we know exactly where it came from.

It should be fine with neroli but musks are not easy at all to cover. They tend to over power the scent.

It depends on the dosage of pheromones your creating from the dry crystals. Really doesn’t apply to your situation.

1 to 9 ratio probably wont show results in a oil.

Roll on and dropper bottles are better for oils but the one draw back is you really cant gage dosage as easy. I still prefer this option to the spray bottles for oil.

So here we go for roll on or dropper bottle We will say you have the 5ml roll on.

112.5 mcg per spray times 40 equals 4500 total mcg per bottle.

4500/5ml= 900 mcg per ml.

900 ml which gives you about 22 t0 25 mcg of pheromone per drop of oil. Its oil so it fluctuates. ( be sure to shake) .

I am not sure about the dosage of pheromones in inches. To many other things factor in really. What kind of oil, how dry the roller is when you start, How well you shake it up, If its separating. Its hard to tell. I usually say one six inch roll is one spray dose myself.

If your reporting on the products for androtics benefit though then you need to test with a unmodified version of there product. Anything else is just for personal use and still useful info for the other members.

Tisha

Many MANY thanks tish, your a life saver. I still may try to dilute in another way, as I would like to get good hits from this before I try messing around too much with oil. Once again thanks, and I will post to keep you guys updated on how it goes.

[tisha23]

No problem, If you need help or have questions just ask. If you make some mistakes dont worry we all have and we can usually help you fix them.

Tisha

[flight]

@mikotorocks714

Damn, I don’t know dude. Why did you rush so fast into a pheromone expert move only an expert who already has their basic pheromone knowledge down to a tee would do? Chances are you probably just wasted your money right there, but hopefully an expert will get you the answer you need. Been here a little longer and I still don’t screw with mixing as I’d rather be safe than sorry.

Ya I know, sorry. Very embarrassed but I am ussually very bold in my wanting to progress in things quickly, and so far it has only helped. Although if I were to give a more specific excuse (excuse, not a viable or defendable reason:o) I would say that I have read 1 too many success stories recently. Plus I got my GC recently and just realized how many points I had from last order, etc, realized how much free stuff I could get, and the combo of all that stuff plus wearing a significant amount of a314+IG encouraged my boldness in experimentation. (Definantly still just an excuse) However, I think I can still pull this off, and that my boldness, like always will help. Its just how I roll I guess, and its what has gotten me so far in being able to support myself in the summers, advance quickly in hang gliding, etc.
I hope my luck doesn’t run out with pheros.
I wouldn’t worry about me, as I have received good answers to my questions from tish, and while I am bold, Im not insane. I kind of just like jumping into things (or in some cases jumping off of things ). So far I have not found or dug a hole deep enough to be unable to get out of, and with you guys’ help, there’s no doubt I can still pull this off.

Oh and on mixing, Ive read your posts, and you do seem more experienced than me. I might be on the early side and you may not think this means much since I haven’t done any myself yet, but I think that you should give it a go-round, cuz you’ll never know till you try it.

Words of wisdom I go by that push me towards the crazy side:
What doesn’t kill you only makes you stronger/smarter, but if it does kill you, you’ll never have to go through it again.

[flight]

BTW thread update: I just used the points from that last order to get a 30ml bottle w/ a dropper top filled with perfumers alchohol for diluting stuff in as it is better for my situation/invironment. Plus it has 6.6% neroli fragrance, so it should do nicely. Almost like having bought at lower mcgs in neroli!
Kudos to tish for that. This is looking much better than when I made that first post already! Muchos gracias mi phero amigos!

[mikotorocks714]

Just wouldn’t want you to waste your money my friend, this hobby can get expensive! Especially if you’re going to mix since you need to get these at a higher mcg (especially if you’re going to be making oil mixes.) Sadly, I really can’t afford buying high mcg putatives and such so that’s another main thing keeping me from experimenting farther, plus I really don’t want to ruin money spent if I do try ha, ha. But we do have to start somewhere, so great thing the beautiful Tisha came and helped with her phero wisdom!

@flight

Ya I know, sorry. Very embarrassed but I am ussually very bold in my wanting to progress in things quickly, and so far it has only helped. Although if I were to give a more specific excuse (excuse, not a viable or defendable reason:o) I would say that I have read 1 too many success stories recently. Plus I got my GC recently and just realized how many points I had from last order, etc, realized how much free stuff I could get, and the combo of all that stuff plus wearing a significant amount of a314+IG encouraged my boldness in experimentation. (Definantly still just an excuse) However, I think I can still pull this off, and that my boldness, like always will help. Its just how I roll I guess, and its what has gotten me so far in being able to support myself in the summers, advance quickly in hang gliding, etc.
I hope my luck doesn’t run out with pheros.
I wouldn’t worry about me, as I have received good answers to my questions from tish, and while I am bold, Im not insane. I kind of just like jumping into things (or in some cases jumping off of things ). So far I have not found or dug a hole deep enough to be unable to get out of, and with you guys’ help, there’s no doubt I can still pull this off.

Oh and on mixing, Ive read your posts, and you do seem more experienced than me. I might be on the early side and you may not think this means much since I haven’t done any myself yet, but I think that you should give it a go-round, cuz you’ll never know till you try it.

Words of wisdom I go by that push me towards the crazy side:
What doesn’t kill you only makes you stronger/smarter, but if it does kill you, you’ll never have to go through it again.

[flight]

@mikotorocks714

Just wouldn’t want you to waste your money my friend, this hobby can get expensive! Especially if you’re going to mix since you need to get these at a higher mcg (especially if you’re going to be making oil mixes.) Sadly, I really can’t afford buying high mcg putatives and such so that’s another main thing keeping me from experimenting farther, plus I really don’t want to ruin money spent if I do try ha, ha. But we do have to start somewhere, so great thing the beautiful Tisha came and helped with her phero wisdom!

Ya thanks for the help, I was trying to buy high originally to save money for that very reason!
Fortunately it turns out I won’t even have to worry about all this dillution and such, although thanks again to tisha for the help. My order hadn’t shipped, so I decided to call AD support to see why, and it was because of the high mcg’s, and they just sent me a refund!
So now I can go back and get them in lower mcg’s!

[mikotorocks714]

That’s great, another reason why Androtics is the best.

@flight

Ya thanks for the help, I was trying to buy high originally to save money for that very reason!
Fortunately it turns out I won’t even have to worry about all this dillution and such, although thanks again to tisha for the help. My order hadn’t shipped, so I decided to call AD support to see why, and it was because of the high mcg’s, and they just sent me a refund!
So now I can go back and get them in lower mcg’s!