What the conversion rate from spray to oil? i.e. I spoke with Andro about getting some costume work done (oil based P79 and TAA) and was told that it could be done… but it would cost me.
I get the most incredible hits using P79, TAA and A314 combined, and want oil based now. however I do realize it will release slower. So how can I compensate for this?
Here’s what I use
P79- 5mcg (2 sprays)
TAA - 25 mcg (1-2 sprays)
A314 - (1-2 drops)
Works like magic.
So how do I convert the P79 and TAA to oil measurements in order to get the same effects? I think I heard that you need close to 7X the amount you would normally have in spray form to make a custom oil mix…??? correct?
Well logically and from reading some members’ oil based mixes. You would essentially double it. If your effective time frame is 4-5 hours with your spray mixes. Then for 1 dose (whatever that may be) Let’s say:
1x P79 @ 5mcg
1x TAA @ 25 mcg
I would then go with an oil based version of 10 mcg/spray of P79 and 50 mcg/spray of TAA. Assuming at 30 ML bottle each component being 15 ml each. you would need a 30ml of TAA @ 50mcg strength $73 and $41 for the P79
that’s $114 for all the ingredients, you would only need half but with the cost of customization, oil based, it might come out to that much, maybe less or more.
But let me know how that goes, might be worth it to try it out.
I hate to burst the bubble but you won’t get the same effects even if you bought triple quantity dosage of your what you said you use in oil form. At best you’ll get 15-25 percent of the effect you’d get from apping and reapping TAA and P79. The quantities of putative needed to make a P79/TAA oil at A314 burning level is much much higher than any of us is allowed to buy. Also its been stated before that TAA tends to be used up very quickly either way and you’ll tend to use more TAA than you want to with each app of oil.
If AD is willing to make you a A314 level oil custom with P79/TAA thats a completely different story but making it on your own with the same effects as spray version is inconceivable.
In a 15 ml there are 10,000 total mcg of pheromones
with the mix there (AD said they’ll custom it for him)
It would have 50mcg @ 100 sprays 5000 mcg right there. And 10 mcg at 1000 mcg giving the contents 6k of total pheromones for the total bottle
now
10000/23.8 = ~420
so there’s 420 drops per 15 ml bottle, and just to get the same concentration for the 30 ml @ 200 sprays, then the application has to be approximately 4:1 4 being the spray to 1 drop of A314. Coming up with this is given the estimated effective range for A314 @ 10 hours.
Now obviously if you quadruple the dosage then you would get a 1:1 ratio.
A314 uses the same oils found in the mixing supplies. I’m not sure though if it has the plant musks or not. I know snoopyace touched on that a bit. But if its the same diffusion medium, then all the matter is is getting the ratio’s correct and using A314 as the basis for the mathematical computations.
I also did this on the fly, the math might be a little off.
So 4:1 hu? … I’ll keep reading the other responses should there be any. But this looks like a pretty good base line. Any one else have different results?
BTW, anyone ever get an MX series customized in oil?
You ultimately forget to realize that anything he makes himself will not be as viscous as A314 which will mean a faster diffusion and a shorter duration than A314. I’ve been using Oil mixes for a while and I know what Snoopy has done and you cannot completely replicate A314’s diffusion because ultimately there will be at least 30-50 percent alcohol mixed with oil.
Your comparing a tomato to a potato when you try to compare pheromones in spray form to pheromones in oil form. If theres 6667 mcgs of pheromone in 10 mLs of A314 that means thats theres about 666 per mL. Theres about 384 drops in A314 according to their measurements. This will mean that theres about 38.4 drops per mL. The concentration of androsterone being 80 percent of A314 supposedly is higher than 1 mg/ mL which is equal to 150 mcgs per spray approx at AD. The mix has to be more oil than alcohol essentially as anyone will know with some common sense
I’m sorry dude but unless someone of really high note counters me on this(I doubt it because Im not smart about this I just know for a fact that it cant be done) your wrong.
I’m only saying this when it comes to “DIY” doing it yourself. If they want to sell him the custom product then thats different but I know for sure that will be very expensive according to what he claims to want.
On top of that theres no way your gonna have P79 in oil form defusing at the same rate as a spray of P79 @ 25 mcgs a spray if a whole drop of A314 is 23.8 mcgs. Like the dude said youd need at least 5-8x concentration of the spray version WHILE maintaining the viscosity of the mixture in order to get what he desires.
I was just merely stating that it’s theoretically possible. Expensive but possible. Everything with the raw ingredients would probably cost hundreds of dollars when you can keep mixing and compositing in alcohol form.
Also when I meant it in spray form that was just a means for dosing the pheromones, it’s all DPG and no PA. This is how I came up with the ratios in regards to sprays. I don’t know of a delivery method besides the spray so I just back worked the math into spray for where we know the numbers. It’s the same concept of 1x, 2x, 4x. Analogy being A314 the 4x version and this spray the 1x version.
Yes they are completely different molecules, but the medium in which the pheromone would be diffuse would be from the same chem structure as A314 albeit different pheromones.
So if I did have Andro make the mix (No I don’t intend to do it myself) for me and I originally used P79 in a 5 mcg spray dosage, your recommending what?.. 35-40 mcg oil based concentration? Sorry, all I know is I love P79, i get amazing results using it. But I hate having to reapply. I just wanted dose that will late almost the entire day (Like A314). It’s more… stealth like.
Based upon your experience, if I had Andro make it for me what dosages would you recommend as you seem to be so knowledgeable of oil based mones. If it works better then spraying, shit I’ll pay for it.
If theres 23.8 mcgs of mones in One Drop of A314 that people claim defuses somewhat consistently over a 10 hour period and most of it being rone at 80 percent of the whole lot would make it that 1.9-2.0 mcgs of rone is being diffused EVERY hour. Think about that. Even if you put on 5 drops of A314 thats still only 9.5-10 mcgs of rone. Now consider that when you want to have a not only 5 mcgs of TAA diffusing per hour and 25 mcgs of P79 diffusing per hour. Now lemme make some guesses here. Lets say we break down the application of 5 TAA and 25 P79 into 5 drops. That means that we’d need TAA diffusing at 1 mcg an hour and P79 diffusing at 5 mcgs an hour with a 5 drop application in order to accomplish the goal.
A314 according to mathematics configured with what AD tells us about the content along with the general idea that it lasts 10 hours optimally would tell us that about 2.3-2.4 mcgs of content is diffusing an hour. EVEN with a 5x application you need to have 6 mcgs diffusing per hour which is MORE THAN DOUBLE of A314’s pheromone content. Yes its possible. The cost? at least 3-5x of A314 due to customization and concentration of pheromone and your gonna be using it up about 3-4 times faster than A314 due to the 5x application in order to achieve TAA at 5 and P79 at 25.
The real problem with the matter is that realistically for any “regular” consumer that Oil base pheromones are pretty much for molecules that only need slight amounts to work (Hence why Anone and Erone are the only things primarily made in oil form due to only needs a few mcgs to achieve success) Yes Scent of Eros is oil based Alpha NOL but people apply anywhere from 8-12" inches of roll-on which is definitely a lot more than a drop or 2.
Nothing is impossible and I apologize if what I said made it seem that way but is it feasible? not at all. You’d need 400+ mcgs per spray to even fathom making things like that.
TAA burns faster than other molecules and oil form of it does little to stop that. Even ask Gegogi about it.
If you want it do it. Its expensive like I said. IF AD is willing to do it thats great. I made a big batch of ICM 1b, Rone in oil, Anone in oil and while they work great for me they dont match A314/A7/PI duration in the slightest.
Lets see 2.4 x 2.5 = 6 mcgs per hour. If 10 mL’s of A314 contains 6667 mcgs of pheromone content then you need 16667 per 10 mL or 1667 mcgs per mL with 1388 of the 1665 being P79 and the remainder of that being TAA (279)
If you apply 5 drops of this then Voila that should keep you going all day to keep your A314 company.
So to recap your shooting for 1667 per mL with:
P79 1388 mcgs
TAA 279 mcgs
Its better to talk to them about it so I’m just giving you an idea of what you’ll be doing.
Also just for theory sake, cause I love knowing about this stuff.
Peak effectiveness from what I’ve been reading resembles something like a bell curve. Peak diffusing coming in around 2-6 hour mark and diving off from there. I can attest that A314 near the end of the day isn’t as strong as it is during mid day because the MX297 applications I’ve done after work relative to it being a fresh clean application are very very similar. But again that’s just IME.
