Wouldn’t it be nice if everyone could just work hard and see themselves as attractive and become attractive? Instead, chemistry decides so much.
Chemistry is just a very small part of what constitutes attraction. The rest involves self work which I dont consider hard. I consider discovering things about yourself joyful. Seeing yourself as attractive is important as well and part of that self work. We talk about that quite a bit in here.
So nope I dont feel sad at all, in fact I find the whole thing exciting and fascinating.
Tisha
Not having a full understanding of this reality cost me someone I love dearly. It is very sad, but welcome to the human condition. Understand its inner workings and work toward improving yourself in every way possible to garner better results for tomorrow. It has become very obvious to me how much evolutionary psychology effects everyone of us day to day; and most people are almost totally oblivious to it. Of course it might not seem so sad from a competition point of view, if you have achieved what you desire, especially having worked for it… then some might see it as a blessing.
there’s many factors other than mones but my point remains they are the result of biology.
Well, Tisha, Chemistry, although small, is a vital part of the process, right? And when AD gets rid of a MX that does so much in terms of chemical attraction, and you never see that MX again, then your chemical attraction value might not be as high as it would have been if you could continue to access it. Sure you can be attractive in other ways, but if you don’t have the uncontrollable chemistry then you aren’t going to be able to attract people that you would be able to attract if you had it.
For example, theres this girl. Whenever I wear MX292 to school, I don’t even have to look for her shes just there, and all over me. When I don’t wear it, I have to find her and she’s almost annoyed by my presence.
Well, that can be an exception for the rule. Some people just aren’t responsive to mones at all. Case in point, my best friend and his wife are never responsive to anything I’ve worn, short of IJ (I haven’t tested it on them yet).
Plus, I wouldn’t rely too heavily on an MX, otherwise one loses their ability to attract a mate based on their skills when they rely on chemicals. In this regards, I think it’s a good thing that AD moves on from many mixes.
Its part of the process but not all of the process.
Well thats not the same as being sad that chemistry plays a role in attraction. Thats being sad because you cant get what you want LOL
Why dont you just whip up a batch of Pherobomb yourself ? Want the recipe ??
Or you can just get the project UF mix pack
Tisha
No, you misunderstood me, or maybe I didn’t make clearly what I meant. Some people are only influenced by certain chemistries.. case in point the above girl. I just think it’s odd that some of them only run to you when you’re wearing a certain chemical formula, and want nothing to do with you at other times. I had been assuming for the better part of my existance, that life was a little more deep then that.
It’s like, I want to be able to attract someone with my personality alone. But, what I’m getting at is, that doesn’t happen, people don’t do that and they can’t because chemistry will always play a factor. All of a sudden, personality isn’t everything. Stuff you can’t control is.
That’s just my recent observation, maybe I’m wrong. Hopefully I am.
Ah I see. Life is deeper then that. Perhaps its just that one particular girl who is not so deep.
Chemical attraction is going to grab attention. Its what gives us the opportunity to turn that attention into attraction. They may make them run to you but its you who ultimately has to do the work to make them stay.
Pheromones give you a opportunity that didnt exist before that. I think that exciting not sad.
Tisha
Attraction is not a choice.
From this statement, there are two ways to go about it.
- You flip the attraction switches to be attractive and make it not a choice.
- You think you can change the opinion of others even though they do not find you attractive.
I agree that chemistry plays a small part in the way how attraction works.
There are usually two ways to look at all things.
- It’s sad that we can’t change it.
- It’s interesting.
We cannot change the nature and environment around us, being sad about it does absolutely nothing of value to our lives but brings more misery. What we can change, is ourselves, mindsets and habits to take nature’s course to our advantage.
While doing this, you become more valuable as a person.
If you think it’s sad, change yourself to make it a good advantage instead of a bad one. Be the person with a good personality and who is attractive.
You’re both right. I wasn’t self loathing, though. It’s more of a survery type thing, to statsify by curiousity and need to learn and grow..
Oasis, You seem to be an extremely intelligent guy. What books do you read that teaches you these things?
Thank you YourDreamsStayBig.
Everything started and changed the moment I was introduced to MLM. I had a natural character of always looking for things of practical value that could be added towards my life.
That natural part had always been unconscious but became conscious the moment I got into MLM.
The first book I ever read was Rich Dad Poor Dad. That book opened up my whole life. A vast spider web of practical books that spun into more and more information led to more value being added over time.
Intelligence in my perspective, is not about being academic or being a scholar, anyone can do that given the time. A true intellect is a person who is able to apply information into practical use and provide practical positive value towards his or her life.
Given the above statement, usually loads of jargon and explanations can be thrown out of the window. Not that they aren’t important to know, but most of it isn’t needed as results are usually the only things of tangible value at the end product, that’s what most people see.
Besides, it is difficult know everything in this world due to complexities, not that it is impossible.
Unless there is a sound reason that will affect the end-product, you can leverage upon other’s intellect on other matters.
Recommended Reads:
- The 80/20 Principle
- How to Read a Book
- Think and Grow Rich
- How to Win Friends and Influence People
- Your own written Journal
That chemistry plays a factor doesn’t mean that personality becomes a non-factor. The factor that it plays is there, but it is actually smaller than the personality factor. Pheromone influence is much stronger in less advanced animals since many use their sense of smell the way we use our sense of sight. Since we don’t rely on smell near as much as our more primitive ancestors and relatives…not to mention non mammilian species, pheromones don’t play quite as large a role for us. Now they DO play a role and they are quite helpful, otherwise I would not be a regular poster here. But they don’t discount a myriad of other factors.
Many of the more experienced users here talk about congruence, and how important it is to making mones work. What this means is that the chemical aspect will give an initial impression of you, but the personality confirms that impression, makes it believable and is what seals the deal.
As for chemistry being something you can’t control…well that’s not ENTIRELY true. Try and remember that you do produce pheromones naturally, and those pheromones communicate information about a variety of factors. They can give somebody a sense of your age, health and fitness, personality and even your state of mind at the given moment.
Now while you probably can’t custom tailor your natural pheromone production to the degree that you can using artificial mones there are things you can do that would likely effect that natural production and thus put chemistry into your realm of control.
Diet and exercise are the first and most obvious options as both factors will effect your hormone levels and it’s hormones that become pheromones. Go on a diet and workout program designed to raise your Big T levels and your natural phero production will likely increase. Most likely your A1 and None levels.
From what I understand Rone is produced in the liver…the average American diet is disgustingly toxic to the liver and taking some supplements designed to cleanse and detox the liver, kidneys and bladder would do your Rone production quite well.
I’ve hypothesized before that there may be a catch-22 sort of relationship between Beta Androstenol and Oxytocin. (based on how the effects of IH seem so close to the alleged effects of Liquid Trust). Actually working on strengthening social bonds with friends and family, including lots of verbal communication, and natural affectionate touch (touch releases Oxy so give mom a hug tomorrow) could effect your natural production of Bnol.
So simply by being, more like the signal you want to try and communicate can to a slight degree create the desired signal naturally. Granted it would never be as strong as two sprays of (insert product here) but it would be stronger than it is now and possibly stronger than the guy next to you when you’re checking out the girl you want to talk to.
Now as for chemical signals you DON’T want to send. Some naturally occurring mones are “alert” or “danger, there’s a big critter that wants to eat us all” mones…remnants from our distant past. Releasing these mones would give the larger group a warning that would put them in a state of alert that was essential for survival. The downside is that if you are a particularly nervous, anxious or insecure about approaching a girl. You may be producing these same mones. Which would in turn make her nervous and associate the negative feelings with you…since there is no large critter nearby that may eat her.
The only way around this…learn to relax, develop your confidence and security. If you’re relaxed the vibe and mones you produce will help others around you feel relaxed as well.
So can you customize your natural signature to match product X or mix Y?, no, it’s not that specific…but you CAN work on your personality, lifestyle, social connections and state of mind in a way that could effect your natural production of positive and attractive mones. Same as how much muscle you CAN build may be determined by genetics, but you CAN alter your body shape within those limits by working out.
Sounds like you suffer from nice guy syndrome my friend. I have had girls say they wouldn’t typically go for me but my confidence and the way I carry myself. Was sexy as hell.
“Now as for chemical signals you DON’T want to send. Some naturally occurring mones are “alert” or “danger, there’s a big critter that wants to eat us all” mones…remnants from our distant past. Releasing these mones would give the larger group a warning that would put them in a state of alert that was essential for survival. The downside is that if you are a particularly nervous, anxious or insecure about approaching a girl. You may be producing these same mones. Which would in turn make her nervous and associate the negative feelings with you…since there is no large critter nearby that may eat her.
The only way around this…learn to relax, develop your confidence and security. If you’re relaxed the vibe and mones you produce will help others around you feel relaxed as well.”
-posted by RADMAN513 (sorry i dont know how to quote with the box yet, i’m still new lol)
this was extremely interesting. Where do you get your information from good sir?
There’s a ton of books on the topic, I wish I could site of the top of my head the actual book/s where I read that, as well as a few Animal Planet shows. It’s more common in insects, although many fish will release alarm pheromones and it’s been shown that several species of mammals do as well. You can google “alarm pheromones” and find a few articles that way. In the meantime I’ll start digging around to see if I can remember where the information came from so I can site the source.
I think attraction is multi-faced and involves some magic balance of lifestyle, power, status, wealth, appearance, vocal tone, personality and chemistry. The weight of the individual components is subjective and varies with individuals. Some women or men will be attracted to someone solely based on power, status and wealth and be willing do kinky shit with a hairy toad. On the other hand, I have know woman whom the main criteria for a good man is being a born again christian (lifestyle choice is no. 1).
I often have been attracted to women long before I could sniff them! And often a weakness in one area is overcome by a strength in another. Personally I find lifestyle and personality the most crucial factors in building attraction. Appearance is the first thing you notice but lifestyle and personality are what keep me hanging around. A smoker or strong republican beliefs will cause me to walk away from a hot, educated woman with great personality and hardwood chemistry…
I’ve observed the result of the “fear” mone many times while directing student musical ensembles in public concerts. And often it is a single individual whom produces the mones but the effect snowballs quickly. Remove that individual from the group and they calm down. I suspect it is similar to mones that incite mob behavior where people lose their individuality and run with the pack, doing terrible stuff they would never normally do.
my goodness! I had no idea! This opens up worlds for me! This explains how people on a subconscious level and dogs can smell fear, let alone read body language. I now understand how intuition works much better. This is powerful information! Please find those books if you could. excellence!!!
(edit) i just got done reading how the military has isolated the fear pheromones and appearently have been testing them. i cant say enough how interesting this is.
There is no such thing as Chemistry… there is no such thing as love… attraction etc. Its a process you go through emotionally, and if you start to understand that then you can understand why women may not find you “attractive.”
Now what do I mean? Take for example your own experiences. When you feel attraction what does it feel like?
Maybe its butterflies in your stomach, and then your heart starts beating a bit, etc.
Emotions are very important for women. They want to FEEL SOMETHING whether its good or bad, however its best to keep them feeling something good. Women go through these exact same processes as we do. Now of course there is gonna be that guy they see walk in the door and think to themselves… 'DAMN!" But its gonna be the guy who gives them the emotional ride they want that will keep them coming back to him over and over.
However good encompasses a lot. That means you make them feel comfortable, happy, secure, but you also give them a bit of excitement, danger, even make them uncomfortable at times like when you lean in close to reach over and lock their car door. “is he gonna kiss me?” NO, not this time, but maybe next.
Now if you find women aren’t finding you attractive, there was something there that had them interested and you maybe hung out or went out on a date and then it fizzled, then its because initially they felt something good, but you left it there. You got them stuck in comfort for too long and now you’re “safe.”
You’ve got to give them a variety of experiences and emotions. They can get safe from their gay friends, or their brother. Much like we want a chef in the kitchen and a whore in the bedroom. They want a gentleman at the restaurant, and the bad boy in the bedroom. Well of course not all the time…they just want to know you’re capable of it, they want to know that there are dark places in your heart that you keep secret, that you only let loose every now and then. They want a hint of danger…they want a challenge.
You don’t have to be an asshole or a “jerk.” You can be the sweetest guy, but do things that create sexual tension, then they will see you as the good, bad kind of guy.
Without having to deal in absolutes. It’s about presence. Like what the other guys and gals here have said, there are a myriad of factors that are involved.
I have found off the chart results with mones, but I’ve also found out there were some deep seeded attraction there to begin with. Most guys will not notice the signs or the girl will not give the signal she’s interested for many reasons. Some are because of shyness, some are cause of intimidation, but whatever they may be for them to react to a pheromone sig like an MX, or a combo, it is because you’re bringing those feelings to the surface.
When you walk into a room/bar/event/office you will get noticed, whether it be for a second or for the rest of the night that is ultimately up to you. You walk in and don’t stand out, then that’s it, you pretty much have an uphill battle to begin with. If you have that confidence and that aura that just shouts high status/confident, then you have an easier time going about the night.
The above paragraph was a metaphor oh how you should tackle everything you do, whether it be with women or other facets of your life. You go in with your head down life will just pass you by, and so will the women. You go at it chest out, head high, you’ll have so many opportunities. After you realize that and master that, then go and use the mones to your advantage, it’s not the other way around. It’s hard to realize cause we all started out that way but in reality after experiencing this, you’ll understand that just little tweaks every day can help you out with what you want to acheive with women in the long run.