Pheromones do not compensate for a lack of balls!

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I’ve read a good number of posts the past week or so where the expectations of mones seems to be unrealistic. Now I’m sure that out of every group of new posters that comes along there will be some that have this expectation.
They spray on this magic concoction and any woman in a 12 foot radius suddenly becomes hypnotized and unexplainably drawn to the wearer willing to do anything to have sex with him as soon as possible…yeah not in this lifetime bro’s.

Yeah sure you may find some off the wall combo that can come close to something like that on one random woman out of 50 but for the most part those specialized mixes will have zero effect on all the others…at best, at worst they can actually repel them en masse’.

Congruence is key. Now I did read a post within the last week or so in the newbie intro forum where somebody implied that having to act congruent with a signal made the mones effectively useless. IE what’s the point of wearing an alpha male signature if I have to act alpha to make it work.

The signature makes the behavior more readily accepted. Try wearing a combination of IS/B and Mystery Boy and acting like you’re wearing multiple drops of A314 and Instant Jerk. I’m sure you’ll get reactions ranging from confusion to outright mockery. "Stop trying to act macho man, cause nobody’s buying it. Your behavior is in conflict with your phero signature and people will get the feeling that you are not what you present yourself as. However if your behavior and phero signature are in line with each other then the behavior is more easily accepted as you being genuine.

What does this have to do with attraction? Pheromones are signals that communicate information about us…not hypnotic drugs or mind control devices. The information that they’re communicating that sparks that attraction is usually information indicating that we are physically strong and fit, emotionally confident and assertive…even aggressive, dominant or social etc. The mones are inhaled, the signal activates parts of the brain that give that initial impression. But then it’s up to us to go the rest of the way.

Women rarely (note I am not saying never) make an overt first move. They get a signal that says you’re an A314 Alpha Male, or a young sexual Instant Jerk Stud, maybe some nols to indicate you’re social and sincere. They may smile, play with their hair or give you a look a little longer than you expect…then they expect you to pick up the ball and run with it.

If you don’t they assume one of two things.
Their impression of you was wrong and you’re not a go getter, but are in fact quite shy, timid, and weak.
Or, you are what you seem to be, and simply not interested in them.
They will not try to flirt harder or be more obvious and they won’t treat you the way men treat attractive women because social stigma’s would punish them for it.
By being too obvious she risks being humiliated by a public rejection (yeah I know men take that risk all the time and it’s not fair but we live in a world that is, not the world that should be)
She risks being seen as desperate, or labeled a slut etc. She has to try and maintain her social value and trying to hard to gain a male that’s not meeting her halfway hurts her value.
And if you’re not the strong alpha your phero signature is communicating…then it’s not worth the effort anyway.
She doesn’t want to be seen as desperate, a slut, or risk being rejected publicly so for the most part don’t expect much more than a smile, or some subtle signs of attraction. She may at most open an innocent conversation that to a rookie or somebody without much social intelligence seems totally innocent and nonsexual. It’s a sign of interest and should be capitalized on. It will be up to you to BE THE MAN, and escalate the interaction.

The pheros do NOT change the standards of what women find attractive…she will not suddenly stop being attracted to traits of masculine confidence and assertiveness. She simply assumes you possess those qualities and and will hold that assumption until you do something to make her think otherwise.

If you wear nols, you HAVE to be social, if you wear IG, A314, Instant Jerk, or Ammo you have to convey some dominance, and confidence.
So yes, even if you wear pheromones you still have to have balls and show her that you do (FIGURATIVELY)!

How much do mones like ammo trigger people's emotions as they pass you?
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Well said Rad, I completely COMPLETELY agree!

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I always find myself smiling readily at strangers when I wear IG (interestingly not so with A314), however when I’m off IG, I’m back to hesitating. I hope to learn the behavior and not become dependent on IG.

Would mones work as clutches?

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After reading this, I see a lot of disappointed newbies, lol.
It is okay. All of yall will learn what works and will adapt to it :wink:

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Radman has a good point. Your pheros could be giving the strongest Alpa Male vibe possible, but if you are a wuss sitting in the corner not going out and being care free approaching those women who are looking at you then they could not give a second thought to you. Convey a dominate stature, walk proud,tall. Keep your shoulders back stand up straight and when you make eye contact with a beautiful woman smile! Your smile will do 1 of two things. 1 You could attract her and make the approach easier or 2 Creep the shit out of her. Sorry Radman If I Jacked your Thread

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Not at all bro, the more replies the better.

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Good post Radman. Spot on :slight_smile:

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Excellent Post. Atleast once a month there’s a “mones aren’t working” or “What will make randomn chick sleep with me” thread. It’s been stated over and over again, mones are like a gentle nudge it’s usually up to you to do the rest. Can you spray on some mones, sit in the corner like a hermit and attract a woman. Yes, but it’s not going to happen very often. Another thing is alot of guys sit around waiting for hits and watching for IOI’s. You see a girl you like, just go for it. Will you get rejected? Maybe or Maybe not ,but you’ll never know unless you try.

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I had a friend of mine who fell into this situation. We went to a single’s mingle event, he wanted to try out IJ and I told him to not act so shy, all he ended up doing was stand in the corner drinking beers. :roll_eyes:

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I too have a buddy like that. I am fortunate in that being raised by dad the first 11 years of my life before he died, he instilled in me the mindset that I am the prize to be sought after and the woman is lucky to have me. Having a frame of mind where you are confident and do not care about what the other people have to say attracts women like would not believe. The only potential problem that lies within that mindset is if a person becomes arrogant vs confident. Big difference between confidence and Arrogance. Example 2 guys are at a red stop light straight 1/4mile strip. They decide to race for pinks. The one guy is in a nice red Corvette with racing stripes and the other guy is in a bright yellow AC Gremlin. The Man with the Corvette thinks he will win because he has a Corvette and he expects the other guy to lose because of his car. But The man behind the wheel of the AC Gremlin is confident because he knows that underneath the hood of his car he is packing a 454 big block supercharged engine. And then the 2 race and the guy in the gremlin wins because the man in the corvette is expecting a slow car and is arrogant and does not drive the fastest he could which results in him losing his Corvette and his dignity by a man with a Amc Gremlin

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Exactly, and I’d be willing to bet that he probably got some looks of interest from at least a couple of ladies, maybe even a smile or some sort of “come talk to me” signal that he either didn’t notice or noticed but didn’t act upon.
The result being that any women that responded to his jerk vibe initially either dismissed it as being just their imagination, or they figured he wasn’t interested and did not want to risk rejection by being more forward when that’s the jerks job.

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Probably. I should have been paying attention but I was there for wingman support…and the food…mainly the food since he didn’t do much. The problem with him was his body language was projecting too much of a nice guy persona but a shy one. Like you said, severe mixed signals were being sent. As for myself, I tend to stick with A314 as it’s more easy for me to maintain a congruency with it than other mixes.

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agree, if u dont talk to the eye contact person, u will not get anywhere mones will be useless, mones only react when u make tht extra move which is going to G and being yourself ie look at her, talk but also make it like your not playing too hard , u dont need to try to hard to talk to G ONCE u communicate and then your are off and it be comfortable from there, remember its the mones tht give signal to G so so u have to add further to tht, ETC ETC, im a newbie myself but i used IO N IH today and i had a great conversation with a young 18 yr girl, she was more in to me more than i wasin to her, etc

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Good post!

Men and women are generally different, and a man will have more success if he is comfortable playing the masculine role. Hmmm, guys that do not approach, I feel less attracted to them. Emotionally, I assume he is taken, and still looks at the pretty girls but isn’t looking to date. Or refrain from dating because something is wrong with him. Even when I consciously know that guys mostly behave this way out of shyness.
But it depends on the location too.

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I would imagine consciously knowing the guy is shy would make it worse.
Why is he shy, is he afraid your going to reject him? doesn’t he believe in himself? do you want a guy that doesn’t go after what he wants? Will he be this timid when he wants a job or promotion and he has kids depending on that extra income? Will he be this timid if you’re out together and some drunk jerk grabs your ass in front of him?

I realize women don’t CONSCIOUSLY think these thoughts when they see a guy, but they are concerns that a lot of women have about being with timid men.

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This actually came up in my dance class once. One girl had a handsome guy in her college that would always look at her, sometimes say hi in passing but never started a conversation. One of the women said that if he was that scared, he’d also be scared when looking for work and then her children would be poor.

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It seems to me that this post sums up how to deal with every product you receive from Andriotics.
Also I made a big order two years ago and had good and less good experiences with authentic cocktail of pheromones. One thing I learned from these experiences. It is essential to try out and “see” each product separately, not only with products based on androstenone pheromone but also socials. These separate experiences endow us with the ability to respond to experiences with more complex compounds knowing that they put us in the role of personifying the sum of all those small and subtle features.
That is, for all purposes, the beginning of the study of congruence.
I am grateful to diligently test these products with the common knowledge of this community. :slight_smile:
Very nice post !

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I think that generalization is so inaccurate.

Being shy/docile around women doesn’t necessarily equate that lack of the drive to succeed or be successful in providing for a family.

If I don’t go work and take chances, I won’t make money, which sucks.

If I don’t go up to this girl, oh well, next time.

Perceived risk and reward are totally different here.

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Radman, I actually feel what you said to the heart!!
With that one girl in my class that was showing me EXTREME IOIs in the beginning of the year, I didn’t do anyting about it, and she just stopped.

Problem is: she was a guy’s girl for the past 6 years and this guy is in our class.. and i think she wuld spill out that i did something to her to that guy.. wouldnt be good eh? I feel her level of interest went downhill compares to before but it’s still there though (not friend-zoned for sure).

that also made me figure to just use my pheros less @ schoool since it is hard to act upon anything for factors such as tight parents and I can’t go anywhere i want (tight parents again). if i culd chill wit whoever whenever i want i culd of been gettin some every week from dat girl FOR SURE (1000% guarantee)

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Not essentially, if you don’t go up to the girl because you’re not interested, or because it’s obvious she’s already spoken for, then yeah NEXT!

If however you don’t go up to the girl because you’re shy, feeling approach anxiety, fearing rejection etc. Then chances are more than likely when the next time comes you will do (or in this case not do) the same thing again.
It’s don’t take a chance at work, no promotion, no raise no increase in money which sucks.
Don’t take a chance with a girl, empty bed, no female companionship, no genetic legacy which sucks.
If I die tomorrow the company I work for goes on without me. If I die without having children everything I am is gone forever…genetically and culturally (as most of our values and traditions are usually learned from our parents)

As for the equation being a generalization that’s not accurate, you’re right.
Some guys will be shy and timid across the board, some guys can be serious overachieving go getters in life but freeze up when an attractive woman says “hello”.
The problem is this. Attractive women get hit on numerous times a day. Let’s say an average of 3 times a day (it’s actually more but 3 is good for my point) now figure between work, school, shopping and actually going out to bars and clubs an attractive woman will leave her house pretty much each of the 365 days of the year…now multiply that by three to figure the number of times she’s approached by men each year.

Now this hypothetical “average hot chick” see’s a guy that looks interesting to her, she makes eye contact, smiles, throws a couple of “green lights” his way and she can tell from his body language that he’s interested…but he won’t come talk to her.
Maybe he’s a total alpha in every aspect of his life EXCEPT for confidence and social skills with women…it’s possible, not likely but possible.
However, given that once other men see her with a guy they’re less likely to approach her (she’s already spoken for)
That pregnancy lasts 9 months, delivery is excruciating and raising a child takes 18 years and costs a minimum of a quarter of million dollars (average money spent raising a child to the age of 18 in the US)
…it’s may not be 100 percent accurate that a guy being timid about women will be timid in all aspects of his life…but is that a risk she as a woman can afford to take? Especially when she meets other guys 3 times or more every day that ARE bold enough to walk up and make the first move?

It may not be a fair assumption, but neither is expecting a woman to give each and every guy she meets (which can approach over a thousand a year) an equal shot at proving their worth as potential mates to her. She has to have filtering systems because there’s only so many hours in a day she can spend meeting and truly getting to know men until she decides on who she likes.

So when shy guys (I’ve been there myself so don’t assume I’m shitting on shy guys) throw a self pity party complaining about how the “attractive women never give shy guys like me a chance”…they do, but you miss it by being shy. They only know about us what we show them. We show a side that is timid and shy and expect them to give us the benefit of the doubt and assume we’re most likely quite confident and assertive in every other aspect of our lives and then decide to spend their limited time spoon feeding us a shot when she’s surrounded by other guys that are showing more confidence and assertiveness than we have. Doesn’t work that way.
Given the time she’s investing talking to us, she’s excluding other potential suitors, and the consequences of a bad choice in a man it’s just not in the best interest of either her, or in her potential unborn children to take that risk.

Now it IS possible to get women to make the first move (sure mones CAN do that but it’s likely to be such an extreme and specialized mix it would only work on a select few women) and shyness still has to be overcome. You need to publicly display and convey such a ridiculously high value in relation to her that it’s easy for her to make the assumption that you’re hands down the best option in the room. You can fill a club with reasonably competent pickup artists and then bring George Clooney in and pretty much every guy there is already blown out. Because his value and status is already assumed. He won’t have to open any sets because the hottest and most attractive women in the place will be climbing over each other to get a chance to meet him, and almost all of them would be willing to leave with him and spend the night in his hotel almost instantly. So if you can learn to convey value early on in view of the women you can get some to approach you but it still takes confidence to pull that off.