In a Mad Tater journal entry from September 15, 2007 he mentioned that pheromones might let you be the ultimate man. And he went on to ask the rhetorical question of what happens when a woman runs into a man who is sexy AND likely to stay around while the babies grow?
He could well be onto something indeed. Pheromones may allow one to be a better man by allowing him to more easily fill the different roles required of him - so he can truely become a ‘man for all seasons’. As MHarris stated (I could not find the actual post though): women want/need different things at different times…
Evolutionary psychology: -Rone men and -None Men
MHarris (September 30, 2005):
"…The two men are:
the wise, competent, long lived, nurturing, money-making fatherly type
and
the not so wise, often unreliable and short lived, not so caring, wild child “bad boy” type…"
MX102 - Experimental A314 Mix 1
MHarris (August 1, 2006):
"… Androstenol not being sexual, depends on how you look at it.
I think it is “indirectly” sexual.
For instance, ANY pheromone is the end result of hormone metabolism. Therefore, ANY pheromone acts as an exogenous marker of hormone metabolism.
i.e., the more pheromones you use, of any kind, the more you’re saying to other people “hey, my body makes lots of hormones”
That is indirectly sexual, as it indicates good health, and good health as indicated by hormone and pheromone output often goes hand in hand with reproductive health and reproductive drive.
Also, Alpha Androstenol has a “blanking” effect on some individuals. Others, it makes giddy.
Sometimes when people are attracted, they “blank out” for a few seconds… the Alpha Androstenol blanking effect may be mentally associated with a time when they “blanked out” in the presence of a “hottie”
Giddiness may also be associated with attraction. They may (consciously or unconsciously) search their mind for other times “I felt this way” (giddy for no reason at all), and come to the conclusion… that, hey, they’re attracted to you.
So while Alpha Androstenol isn’t the big, overt “Hey, look at my penis” like pheromone that androstenone is, it may be considered somewhat sexual in the way it interfaces with the human condition.
In a club environment, Alpha Androstenol may help.
Outside of a club environment, it may help even more. Not only does it have a fun aspect to it, but it also tends to be comforting. It’s widely acknowledged in today’s advanced “pick up” communities that comfort can be 70% of seduction.
Androsterone is probably more “sexual” in an every day type environment. It helps to signal a stable, attractive male. Probably more in the provider sense (someone you’d want to stick around) than the “well endowed”, one night stand sense.
It’s sexual in the sense that men primarily generate the most androsterone. Most cars driven exclusively by men smell highly of androsterone.
Androsterone definitely says “Hey, I’m a guy”, which is sexual in the sense that it is our differences, in large part, that make us sexual. The fact that men have penises and beards, sharper faces, and high amounts of certain hormones and pheromones and women have vaginas, softer skin, softer faces, and higher amounts of certain OTHER hormones and pheromones.
Reasoning has it that most women probably go out to nightclubs when near the time they’re ovulating. Either that, or it’s out of habit, or their friends are dragging them along.
If they’re there because they’re near ovulation, they’re NOT there for a “good guy” (the Androsterone guy)… they’re looking for the naughty boy that they’ll “love” tonight (physically),and hate tommorow.
This is clearly established pattern in human anthropology and David Buss’ Evolutionary Psychology, both of which analyze BEHAVIORS (what people ACTUALLY do) and discount what people say they do.
Actions truly do speak louder (and more honestly) than words.
Women going to nightclubs truly aren’t looking for a good guy to spend the rest of their lives with, no matter what they say. Their 40+ trillion cells are, often unbenknownst to their conscious minds, screaming out for a sperm donor, one with substantially different genetic material to fit their genetic cravings for prequisite variety. One that won’t lead to pedigree collapse.
Also, evoltutionary psychology shows that they’re looking for a man that won’t stick around, and get in the way of a possible offspring being raised by the “good” Androsterone guy. The provider. The guy who can truly raise a child, and maintain a household with stability.
Androstenone is definitely the marker of such a “bad” or “naughty” boy. Someone good for greasy, animalistic sex, a few million sperm, and little else.
Androstenone , Alpha Androstenol and a bit of Molecule A ( AKA " TAA ", which is also a fun, euphoric pheromone) can make for a heck of a “party mix”, that could help lead to some naughty sex sooner than later.
You want long term sex, though, or someone to cohabitate with or marry, throw -Androsterone into that mix and reduce the -none.
A314 is highly refined -none that doesn’t put out the “Walk all over Me, I’m Mr. Rogers” type prescence that Androsterone alone can sometimes do on some men."
Product 'nones & 'nols?
MHarris (December 14, 2006):
"Yeah, Ail makes some very good points. Not everything is so easy to delineate, especially when it comes to our social reality.
Many people buy fancy cars and clothes to be more sexually attractive, for instance… but do they ever call a particularly stunning shirt “The Shirt of Eros”?
Not everything is directly sexual, but it doesn’t mean it can’t aid. Instant Openness refers to what it does to people’s mouths, but it doesn’t mean some people won’t feel attracted under it’s influence. (many women, after all, find it appealing to have a man in their life that they can TALK to)
I personally find that Instant Shine is aphrodisiac like around people who really enjoy having a good time. Especially younger women, who shirk anything “serious” (and therefore might not find A314 as appealing as an older, more stable woman does)
There are many indirect paths to sexuality. In fact, I’d say that most paths to sex are not so direct.
A women looking to marry, for instance, has a whole laundry list of qualifiers… often with the necessity that you are a good, stable provider. You have to live a full life and become a very successful individual in order to fulfill that qualifier! (sure, A314 is a bit of shortcut, but, you get the point)"
Andy (June 25, 2002):
"Re: For all the older guys…a question about life…
It’s a small path surrounded with rifts from all sides. I think the best way is to be something I call the “mr. nice pussyhunter defender”. You gotta be nice to the woman/girl of your desire but she needs to know that you are potent enought to satisfy her in all needs and powerfull enough to hold her at all costs.
You just need to be mr. niceguy and mr. axeswinging childreneater in one person. It’s not that simple because you can easily tend to much to one side, it looks like tending more to the alphatype side is better than beeing too nice. That’s how herd alphas react, show your teeth but support your females and lower males when needed and chase away or destroy intruders.
It maybe od , but in human relations often one of the factors given above is substituted with money.
Sum:
be nice when needed
bark at everybody who ist after your female
defend her
make her life easier (often with money)
f*** her like hell (sorry for the f word … but that’s the way you should think)
show her that you are able to fullfill all of the above points, before they get important
That are my own conclusions and they worked well for me. I don't dare anybody to try this at home . It might fail … it might work. I am in a lucky relationship for some years now. I got her beeing like this and I hold her that way. It is mostly part of my nature (though I’d like to be nicer, it's hard to be a little cruel sometimes). I urge everybody not to play a role, just be natural and just adapt the “harder line” to your personalality."
Neil Strauss “The Game” - a fascinating read!
MHarris (December 9 2006):
"The modern techniques of “game” work, especially on younger women that respond almost exclusively to social posturing. With modern game, you can consciously hit the hot buttons that “jerks” have accidentally.
The current “state of the art” in “game” is the start of something better than what you see today. You guys do see how complex and formulaic today’s “game” is, right? It’s mostly empowering what used to be called “nerds”… you know, the guys with big brains and whale sized attention spans. Truly wonderful, high value men whom, in a perfect world, would be getting all the girls… but simply weren’t.
In fact, you can literally think of this as the movie “Revenge of the Nerds” come true.
Now the good guys have tools to gain access to what was simply given to meaningless meatheads – the jerks and abusive nutbags that girls LOGICALLY knew they shouldn’t be attracted to, but EMOTIONALLY were, despite logic. For the most part, “Game” today is a good thing. It allows what are mostly intelligent men to be just as brilliant with women as they are with computers, finance and other serious topics.
Any tool could be considered manipulative. I think it has a lot to do with who’s using it and why. While these guys talk a “big game” (male bravado), most eventually want a girlfriend or wife. Noble goals. Both Eric Markovich (Mystery) and Neil Strauss have gotten “one-itis” for what they perceive to be the “end all, be all” woman (what Eric once called “the one”).
So what’s the worst that’s going to come from computer programmers and other good guys learning some socials skills (and yes, a few “tricks”)? Women of tommorow will end up with more warm, loving providers? Prove to me that this is a bad thing.
To me, it makes for a brighter tommorow… with less children that have scumbags for dads. (if you don’t know who donates most of the sperm to make most the kid’s in the world, dig into anthropology and evolutionary psychology a little. Start with David Buss’ book “Evolution of Desire”) What may seem like a sort of superficial system on the outside, actually makes for some substantial world improvement in action, folks. It’s not as bad as it seems, when used by decent men…"
