Effects of Alchohal on mones

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Hi again gents.

I have been looking around and have had real troubles finding out the effects that alcohal have on phermones. I was told that you shouldn’t drink when using them when possible, is there a reason for this besides the normal personality changes when booze is used?

This may potentially be a problem for me seeing as how I am of European decent and it is customary to have a glass or 2 (sometimes 3) of wine to dinner and desert.

I personally dont believe I’ve been using mones long enough to tell the difference in effects if any.

(also, just so that I know I said it. 2xIG+IO+IH works fantastic. but I’m gonna need to get my hands on some Ammo at some point soon.)

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Hi,
I’ve been using mones with alcohol and I haven’t seen any adverse effects at all.

Cheers

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I may be the one who told you that. The reason behind it is not that alcohol changes how the products work. The reason is, especially as a beginner when you want to see the effects of the products, the targets have to be sober or the noted results may be wrong and totally off from sober people.
When you know what the products do, you can use some alcohol to your advantage.
But always remember: mones don’t make anyone do what they actually wouldn’t want to do; alcohol does. That’s why I never drink, and don’t interact with people who had a drink. At least not in a flirty way.
What you do is up to you to decide :slight_smile:

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Alcohol and mones - Hell yes! :smiley:

Like anything else that helps the layers of inhibition slip away, a drink or two is almost all good as far as your subjects are concerned - it makes the mones work better and the effects most pronounced.

Of course this also applies to negative effects too - and you may well find that drunk guys exposed to higher doses of none may slip into aggressive/competitive mode more easily, so keep a steady hand on the likes of TUTH or IJ.

As for self effects - you know how a drink affects you and yes, it is wise to give each mone a spin sober so you can gauge how it may affect your own behaviour after a few.

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I will say it, some molecules and products don’t mix with drinking. MX297 comes to mind.

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I have to say that some of my most memorably crazy/wild/utterly debauched experiences with 297 and 297/TUTH have involved booze! :open_mouth: :smiley:

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Sober folk have their social filters cranked and can easily choose to ignore or not act on mone reactions. Sure they feel and think something but they do their best to hide it. Add a little lubrication and those filters start to melt away. I can’t think of a better situation to use pheromones. Plus, booze tends to be used in situations where people are expecting to socialize and are more open to interactions than work, street or mall.

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Exactly - in any situation where inhibitions are lowered, pheros become whole orders of magnitude more effective! :smiley:

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Then those who never drink and dont like interacting with people who do are at a disadvantage? Whatever. I think in the end it comes down to if the person drinks a lot of alcohol anyway, with or without using mones. I wouldn’t start being around drunk or “disinhibited” people just to see more effects.
For me a sober environment is what I want to results on.

Honestly, I think alcohol + mones is more evil manipulation than influence. Using strong influence products on them when they have partially or completely lost their will through drinking a little or a lot of alcohol is manipulation.

People who exploit others who are drunk will probably try to defend their holy grail. From my experience however alcohol, even a little (or more required depending on the resistance of the subject) opens up the doors to being manipulated. While the subjects lose some of their inhibition, they also lose some or all of their ability to judge (yes, even if you only consume very little alc - the more, the worse) to decide whether to let others manipulate them or not. People who consumed some booze cannot decide that fully. Pair that with a strong product like mones designed to merely influence people and it turns into a manipulation tool (so the “mones don’t manipulate, they merely influence” line is invalid here). The results will be amazing, but not natural in any way.
If you’re starting out and are looking for natural (= passing the natural barrier of the human mind) responses and results through influencing, try on sober people. If you want amazing results by manipulating them, look for people who consumed booze.

And just for clarification, this may sound like a rant but it’s just my humble oppinion, shaped by my life experiences. I still respect people who drink, as long as they don’t do it around me - and I don’t want to offend drinkers on this forum, merely provide some food for thought…briefly pointing out a moral aspect.
It’s OK if you don’t agree. My life taught me that what I wrote is true, maybe yours taught you your own truth. I respect it :slight_smile: So keep on doing what you think is right.

Peace

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That sounds more like a reaction from someone who has/had or is around people who have substantially unhealthy relationships with alcohol?

There is as much of a wide spectrum here as there is with mone responses - From people who can enjoy themselves, be merry, let some inhibitions slip but still retain composure, reasonable free-will, discretion and self control - to those who get so drunk that they lose it totally and can’t be considered fit to think or consent to anything when shitfaced. In the case of the latter, I’ll fully agree with you but IME, most people don’t go that far and in any case, sex with sombody that drunk is going to be dire in the extreme and relationships with folk in thrall to drink are similarly doomed, so there is no way I’ll be going there!

However, I’m firmly of the opinion that in most cases, alcohol, like pheros will not greatly change a person’s basic nature, even though it may be used as an excuse - I’ve been with more than a few women over the years who might have needed drink as an excuse for hooking-up with someone but who could still be every bit as debauched as they liked once they had got to know someone sober and were fully sexually comfortable around them. In these cases, all alcohol provided was a socially acceptable parachute if they wanted to bail on you after one or two shags, also plenty guys who blamed the drink for ther losing their tempers but who were just as much assholes - if not worse when dry. So I don’t believe it really affected them or their choice that much. The few whom it genuinely did affect were very few and very obvious.

Also, if they are drinking, they are (or should be) adult and the bottom line is that they are grown-up and liable for their own mistakes - and we have all made and dealt with those, drunk, sober or stoned. Its a fact of life and in the UK/EU anyway, you are going to greatly restrict your social opportunities to use mones if you rule-out situations where alcohol is served. And although drinking culture does seem a bit different in the US, I don’t think its that far different?

No, you are not at that great a disadvantage if you want to avoid alcohol but you may need to use different mixes and behaviours, so its a different challenge and with different milestones, goals and results - another side of the same coin?

For the record, I’m highly ambivalent about alcohol myself and I frequently go long periods without a drop if I don’t feel like it (more than ten years at one point) but I’ve never had a problem socialising around people who are drinking, although I may avoid the dives where the hardest drinking goes-on.

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Hi there my friend,

no, actually I just like to be around 100% sober people. They’re a little inhibited, but as a daygamer you know how to not only break but crush that barrier. You don’t need tools like alcohol, it changes people - but some are really so inhibited that the help of mones is needed. P83 and A1 worked especially in my favor in crushing barriers.

A very low amount of alcohol causes a person to lose a very small portion of their ability to judge situations and actions. This is unlikely however CAN lead to a rapid change of behavior (in my experience). One of my best female friends, when she got her 18’s birthday, went with me to a bar. Of course I hesitated, but hey it was her birthday^^ I didn’t drink, and she only had literally a few dips. No sign of her being really drunk. And suddenly she started digging me (she has had a boyfriend at that time). She seemed to know what she was doing, she wasn’t drunk. Point was that at that time I wore Ammo which I applied 6 hours earlier when I went out without her - and didn’t wash it off. If you remember, I’m that guy who created a thread about all attraction products appearing to have zero effects on my targets before I started opening/flirting with them. I was so blown away in that bar, it couldn’t be real.
I dragged her away from alcohol and washed it off and it got better as an hour or two went by.

After a few hours she didn’t know what got into her and begged me to not tell her boyfriend. Of course I didn’t - she was so ashamed that she told him by herself, and they’re still together and happy - forgiven. They neither had relationship problems at that time nor now, which is why I was so shocked when she threw herself at me. She loves her boyfriend and it could’ve ruined some years of her life. Also, point is that as daygamer I do know what signs of interest look like and she had always been neutral to me…like a friend. Pure friend zone, as it should be. It wasn’t like she’s always fancied me, and that’s good.

She, just as I, never drank since then.

The only time I entered a club with mones on was extreme too. Not that extreme, but similar - I couldn’t believe it, and left the club.

tl;dr: I’m not talking very bad about small amounts of alcohol because the disinhibition is a nice effect and it’s unlikely that the small loss of judgement make them do something they don’t want to do actually. But I’m saying it can happen even with a few dips and who knows what can happen with just a little more. Who knows how many people have done something completely against their nature just because a glass of light alc, maybe when YOU approached them - you just didn’t notice because you didn’t know the people. You’re not at fault here, the alcohol is.

Bars are known as the place to socialize not only because the barriers drop but because all the pickup guys try to exploit people influenced by alcohol there. I’m sure when all that pickup started it wasn’t known as a place to socialize, and then became one because it actually became the sarge location, kind of. But to their defense Ive gotta say I know someone who only approaches sober people in bars who just entered :smiley: So not all are like that. And many of them just think it’s not possible or appropriate to flirt anywhere else. Poor bastards :smiley:

I just told you one of my main reasons never to drink and why I say no in a very serious way when people I’m on dates with want to go for a drink. Bad experiences yes, unhealthy relationships with alcohol, not at all.

I hope I could provide some food for thought and if you see a rapid change in behavior of a person who only drank a drop, you know what to do and what not to do.

Peace :cool:

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Although I see many areas that you’re coming from, Mysterion, I also disagree with a few.

My bio-chem prof’s view on booze was that ethanal lets the real you come out. (Your liver turns ethanol to ethanal and it’s the ethanal’s effect on the brain that gives booze its novel properties).

Most people are heavily, heavily, heavily socialized, that is conditioned by family, friends, their society/culture, their religion if they have one, the books they read, the TV they watch plus just themselves directing themselves.

Most people deep down inside are a little to quite different than the image (mask) they project or are forced to wear. Strip that away and you see what they really are. Alcohol can be very destructive as some peeps deep down inside are self serving assholes or are angry at themselves or others but normally keep it in check, women are every bit as much horn dogs as men but normally have years of all sorts of repression keeping them pent up for better or worse. Perhaps this is best for society in general and also for many a person, however, many drink just as a temporary respite from having to wear a mask 24/7 and just want to let it all out and say fuck it to all the constraints thrown at them for a few hours. It’s not unless a peep is really fucked up on booze that you’d actually be taking advantage of them. You’ll know if you follow your gut where the line is.

The thing with booze is unless the person is getting drunk for the first few times in their lives they pretty much know what they’re getting in for, why they’re doing it, potentially what will happen and what they want out of it. They might use it as a scapegoat, oh the beer made me do it, but they really wanted to do it in the first place either consciously or unconsciously.

In your friend’s case she has a lot of things going on under the surface. What her hormones, genetic instincts, society, family, her BF’s and her own view of self and how she should be. A whole mess of stuff is going on in her head and she might be trying to define how she is or just follow her feelings. Slap in your mones and say some P83 and A1 and BAM! Both men and women follow their feelings far more often than the conscious mind’s reasoning, women even more so. Also keep in mind your feelings are your subconscious’ summation of a given situation, you might take all day to articulate what you subconsciously already know to be true.

If you’re against booze you should also be against P83. I find P83 loosens me up far faster than booze does. A1 really puts women at ease, much like a beer or glass of wine puts many a peep at ease. You’re talking about crushing resistance/barriers in much way booze does the same thing and hence why many people drink or try to get others to drink or why many peeps buy P83. Some ladies on this site buy P83 for the self effects. Being uptight all the time is no fun.

We live in an unfair world and you’ve chosen to use P83 to give you a stealthy advantage in a situation. Others are more blatant and flash about status symbols, money or their body etc. Others read all sorts of material to give them an edge in getting what they want. You’ll have to decide what is fair and acceptable to you, but to me and the way you describe P83 and A1 there is basically no difference than spiking the punch with some vodka. However society has come to a decision more or less that it’s not okay to spike the punch where as with P83 it’s so under the mainstream radar that most would have no idea even in this forum to raise the question of the morality on phero use. I’m on the line that it’s like a hot woman showing me her body, I have little resistance to it, I can’t really stop her, and with the way her body makes me feel, do I really want to.

However, I totally agree with you that you should do your testing sober and on sober targets for a long, long time till you have that mone/mix down.

Just give it some thought. Booze is much like P83 in terms of dropping inhibitions. The weird shit I saw at one party with peeps remarking that they had never seen stuff like that happen in their life before, with me keeping my mouth shut as I knew the P83 was every bit as much responsible as the alcohol was. Why, because I had drank with those same peeps 10 to 15 times before and never seen them act like that and this was the first time I wore P83 at 60 mcg or 90 mcg around them. The night went sour for me post and it became one of the reasons why I treat P83 with respect.

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Thank you for your insight :slight_smile:
It’s some food for thought if your professor made that statement about ethanol. I wouldn’t compare it too much to P83 tho - both got the disinhibiting effect, but P83 doesn’t make people lose their will partially or completely. It can, if it hits strong, remove the mask of people. I agree with you on this part.

Let’s just say that I’m extremely good friends with that girl since many years and I can read her emotions from her eyes and body language. And I know how people in love look like, she’s completely into her boyfriend. She isn’t like she behaved in that bar. I used P83 and Ammo around her before (applied it when I wasn’t with her, met her later). No hit, or maybe it had some effect but she resisted it cause she wanted to. Dunno.

There’s no doubt that people’s ability to judge decreases as they drink, and imo that starts from the very first few drops until it’s completely gone. Of course most people only notice the latter, and think the threshold is high and that people may drink “a lot” before they start losing it.

I thank you for sharing your oppinion :slight_smile:

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Methinks you don’t give freewill much credit (or give mones too much). Unless unconscious or threatened, people do what they want to do. Sober, drunk or God-fearing, we still make a choice. Albeit I’m not sure what dirty deed you had in mind with “evil manipulation.” A few good laughs, friendly conversation and business and social networking is mostly what happens at the mixers I attend. That’s why people are there and no amount of mones or booze changes that. You merely get an easier flow and enhanced intensity of interaction. A few more customers and referrals is worth enduring your “evil manipulation.”

After 10 years of use, I have no need to do anything merely to observe reactions. I’ve pretty much seen it all. However, my observation is social mixers with alcohol portray the most marked results. Stony faced buddha head types at work, not so much.

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Your prof really said that ? That is the most ludicrous thing I have heard in a long time.

Alcohol impairs your judgment. Its a scientific fact. It doesn’t let the “real you” out. If abused it destroys the real you. It interferes with the synthesis of proteins in the neuron of the brain. These proteins are needed to encode new information It takes a personality and corrupts it making it not whole.

I understand the concept of “masks” but the personality people suppress under that mask doesn’t make up who they are. Its only a part of who we are. The real you is a whole individual. The alcohol becomes a mask of its own.

P83 does not impair your judgment. It may loosen you up but that’s far different.

Don’t get me wrong I have nothing against drinking. I drink once in a while myself but I don’t want you thinking that when you do that’s the real you.

@Xander2111

You can drink and use mones. One of two drinks is not going to change anything. The problem with mones and alcohol happens when you drink enough to start affecting those neurons in the brain. Pheromones stop working altogether then. You can no longer process information therefore the information mones are sending just doesn’t get through. It go’s unnoticed or is misinterpreted.

So if your using mones in an environment where people pass that threshold between relaxed to buzzed your mones wont work as well. That buzz feeling is your neurons beginning to misfire. Go beyond the buzz and they don’t work at all. People may say they do or think they do but again they are not processing information correctly.

Tisha

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Tisha hit the nail on the head - I may have used the wrong word, altho for me it is almost the same. Because your real you gets clouded by the alc, so it is not really your decision even tho it actually is. Get my drift? I replaced the word free will with judgement and ability to judge. Fits better, but the meaning is the same for me.

It’s not your natural free will…a different you who is open to the mentioned “evil manipulation” makes the decision. Later you recover and either don’t know what happened or think “how the…why did I…”. As mentioned above, I get what you mean. But when you lose your ability to judge actions and situations then you lose the ability to resist manipulation. And that’s a point where mones manipulate. All other attempts to manipulate the person also have an increased chance of success.

Tisha mentioned that mones would stop working altogether at some level of drunkenness - fair enough, makes sense. So cut what I said about mones and extreme drunkenness out - it still applies to all other levels, from the first drop until the extreme.

I appreciate your explanations, Tisha.

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As for the ‘real you’ those are his words not mine. Perhaps to him, he views the constraints of both the outside world and within as all being somewhat like chains and alcohol at times throws many of them off, letting the unchained you out.

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mostly alcohol affecting on brains what causes memory impairment and slow cognitive reactions

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In my experience, networking and making deals while playing sports (hate playing golf to make deals) is more counterproductive than doing the same while having a few cold ones or wine over dinner. Also, I think some of you guys may be drinking too much and frying brain cells. If you need to recover the next day that would be an obvious clue you over did it. Moderation is the key to many things and extremely important with food and drinks. I rarely drink more than a a beer or two with food so no worries about losing myself (pretty much immune to small amounts of alcohol). If you can’t control your consumption and lose motor and cognitive skills you have a personal problem that needs addressing. And that problem is not alcohol, it is you. Nevertheless, a couple drinks certainly encourages conversation and sweet business deals so that’s all I care about (albeit I’m getting tired of eating sushi 4 times a week…). Of course I don’t normally go drinking with 20 year olds but understandably they’re total greenhorns and are still learning self-control. For most users I know, mones are all about making a great deal and making a good impression on their client. And, with or without mones or alcohol, I suppose such a goal is manipulation by some definitions. And if a little A314 and a couple glasses of wine help find favor, I’m all for it. Incidentally, without dinner and drinks, most of the clients will not talk business. It’s how most Asians conduct business. If you don’t drink or play golf, no deal.

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OMG I hope this is true, because I have not yet had satisfactory hits this week…but then again, I am still working weekdays. I have my fingers crossed for the weekend!