Emergency Advice Needed!

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Right folks, I’ve been sweet-spot testing/experimenting with my AD arsenal of Ammo, x2 IS, IO, IH, TUTH and MX444 (and now MX452) for the last fews weeks and my best results to date have been with IS and Ammo used together (3 to 4 sprays of x2 IS and 1 to 2 sprays of Ammo). Definite change in demeanour of my “target lady” - more friendly, chatty, making the first move, etc.

My other major success was with MX444 used in a heavy dose of 5 sprays around my ex’s house. This one wasn’t subtle at all, but extremely enjoyable! However, I think that is best left on the shelf for use in an LTR at this stage.

Now, this Friday I have a semi-date-type-of-thing with my “target lady” (who I will call ‘Latin Lady’ from now on for simplicity!). As I say, she initially responded very well to Ammo and x2 IS, so I then started to add a little IO into the mix in an attempted to develop that closeness, but I didn’t feel it had any effect. If anything, she seemed slightly less chatty at times. She was still hanging around and talking, but it didn’t seem to open her up any more. I guess it needs sweet spot testing, but times-a-runnin’ out before Friday! (I should point out, I don’t work with Latin Lady, but I know her through my work so most of my testing with her specifically has been done in that kind of environment, and only a couple of times a week).

Now things get a bit complicated in that I recently ordered a togo of P83 (37mcg) to hopefully loosen those inhibitions a little more. I wasn’t going to test it yet, but this morning I thought “what the hell”, so I tried it as a 2 spray with a little x2 IS and 1s of TUTH, but nothing seemed to happen at all.

So, the emergency advice I need for Friday’s semi-date with Latin Lady is - What do you think I should go with??? I guess I should just stick with 1 to 2s of Ammo and 3 to 4s of x2 IS, as that is (reasonably) tried and tested for me, but as this is more of a date that usual, I want to move things forward more than usual.

I also want to get that openness and deep conversation going as well, so I really want to stick IO and IH into the mix. So second question - I know you aren’t supposed to be able to OD on the socials (IS, IO and IH), but is this really the case? If so I’m tempted to get in there with my usual 3 or 4 IS sprays and a good 3 or 4s of both IH and IO. Latin Lady is quite shy and quiet, so provided I can’t OD on the socials I think they are the way forward. Thoughts?

But then what about the P83? Seems a shame not to use it, but is an OD possible with this? I tried 2 sprays today and noticed no descernible difference, so does that mean more is needed?

Oh and then there’s the fact that I need to get the Androstenone signature in there too, to steer things away from being too much like the Friend Zone!

I’m really stuck guys, as this semi-date feels like a great opportunity for me to move things along further than they have been so far with Latin Lady… and I don’t want to blow it, so I want to get the mones right on the money. Every little edge counts! I know there’s no substitute for testing, and I’ve been doing that religiously, but the apparent lack of response to 1 to 2s of IO, IH and P83 have left me a little unsure what to go in with.

What I’m trying to get out of Friday’s date is to a) ensure she has a great time, and enjoys herself in my company, b) to encourage and develop her attraction towards me. (There is also a “c” which involves dating her and getting her in my bed asap, but hey, it’s baby steps first, huh! :wink:)

Any thoughts/advice greatly appreciated.

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Well you know ammo and IS work, so you have a base…
If you read this before tomorrow, try running ammo with IO alone.. probably in the same manner that you did the ammo and IS. If you have good feedback from that you can go that way.

Another thing you might consider is how long she was exposed to the IO/IS/Ammo mix. The timing is important as that will determine how much affect it has on the target. Will you be picking her up…ie will you have some time in the car with her that will allow her to ‘soak up’ the pheros? If not then you’re in the same boat you were before, on the other hand if you will have that time… then you’ll have a lot more time for the phero’s to take affect. So tomorrow…um today, if you read this in time, wear the ammo and IO… if you are having great feedback from that, you can try that Friday or if not, you can simply stick with IS and ammo… no harm there, she’s shown feedback to that and IS makes for a very fun atmosphere… and a little trick I’ve learned… if you’re going to be picking her up… spray the IS or IO on the headrest of her seat just before you pick her up… this will put the phero’s in close contact with her and help ‘speed’ the effects along. and seriously, if you are going somewhere, try to make the trip more than 15min so the phero’s can take affect. Hell drive around and go site seeing, or ask her what here favorite places are… something…

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Work around Ammo and Ishine which you already know she responds to well.

I am not surprised you didnt see to much more openning with IO paired Ammo because it already has adequate anol and while using more wont make a standard OD it can zone them out a bit. In others words make them to laid back. Think of it in the sense of drinking alcohol. You don’t want to get her drunk you want to just create a nice relaxed buzz.

If you want closeness and intimacy go with IH. IO is more laid back fun.

What MCG did you buy P83 in ? I am going to assume its the standard 12.5. 3 to 4 sprays should do the trick. Try applying right on top or under your Ammo application while its still wet.

While you will not experience the classic OD effect with the socials that we talk about with something like anone products you can use to much. Using to many socials can over stimulate the senses and make people sort of zone out.

One mistake people make when layering premade mixes is they dont consider the primaries in each mix and they use the same dosage they did in solo testing.

The key to a good combo is picking your primary mix.

Lets say its Ammo for you. Then you work around that mix to steer it with the other mixes and single molecules. So Use your solo dosage of ammo that you discovered when you tested it and scale back a bit on what you use to steer. So if 3 to 4 sprays of Ishine work solo for you when you do a combo you use 2 sprays. Since P83 is not a mix but a one molecule putative and you havent tested for dosage yet still go with the 3 to 4 sprays.

Layering with premade mixes is different then layering with single molecules. You have to scale back a bit to prevent over stimulation and create balance.

Tisha

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Thanks guys! Very interesting stuff about reducing the dosage when layering Tisha. I went for a 37mcg togo of P83, so by that rationale your suggestion of 3 to 4 sprays of 12.5mcg would equate to 1 or 1-and-a-bit of the 37mcg.

Based on my testing and your advice I’m going to go with the a couple of sprays of Ammo with 1 P83 over the top. Maybe 1 of x2 IS and 1 or 2 of IH.

See how we get on tomorrow. :slight_smile:

(Oh and I won’t hold anyone responsible if this combo doesn’t work! :wink: LOL!) Thanks again guys!

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Once you go on the date don’t overthink what you have on.. I have found this to be the biggest killer in hesitation and women can spot hesitation. I personally have found IH makes me too serious and I am already serious.. .I don’t like it at all.. I find Ammo by itself if I’m in a good mood, or a couple of sprays of IS along with it does the job… P83 has given me mixed results. I find I’m a mood catcher. I feel great when people are good to me but when they tell me off it effects my mood and no matter how much I try to convince myself to forget about them I am still effected. Thus I’ve decided to leave p83 out.. Also p83 gives me all kinds of IOIs I don’t like , like women flipping their hair etc. I get caught up in analyzing what in the world they are doing instead of taking action.

In summary Ammo or IS ammo is best. Get in a great confident mood that day first.. Go talk to some upbeat people, get your clothes laundered or buy new clothes, get a haircut, a shave or trim if necessary, and your car cleaned out and washed and waxed.

If you’re going to escalate on this date tell us your gameplan.. Most women need a bonding connection before kissing or sex… and are attracted to a well dressed and groomed man in shape. Don’t neglect all these point in favor of only mones.

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Since I know it’s already post-date, here, I won’t add too much to your thread. However, as you seem to be using some of the same products I am, in roughly the same amounts, I figured I’d make you aware of my journal. I list my best mixes for each week along with the reactions each got me. You’ll probably find something in there that will work well for you, or if nothing else give you some ideas of what to try in the future.

Good luck. :wink:

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JonnyRingo

Do tell us how your date went?!

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Thanks for advice guys - I went with my “tried and tested” Ammo and IS base, with the addition of a little P83 over the Ammo (as suggested by Tisha), and a little IH on the wrists.

Anyway, onto the date, things started off very well - we were both chatting away quite happily… but I could help noticing that Latin Lady seemed to have something on her mind. And then she dropped a huge bombshell on me. :frowning:

Basically (and without going into details) her mother has been taken ill, and as a result she’s leaving both her job and the country (more than likely permanently) within the month to go back home to Portugal to help look after her. Basically I’m absolutely gutted - firstly and foremostly for her and her family as it’s a terrible thing to happen, and second (and rather selfishly) for myself as I’m going to miss her terribly.

Anyway, thanks again for the advice guys - but whether it worked or not is slightly redundant in light of the horrible time she’ll be going through. :frowning:

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Lots of fish in the sea… keep fishing…

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Good point, but I will admit I’ve been suffering a very severe case of Oneitus with this girl. :roll_eyes: And I’m not proud oftot as I don’t normally suffer that at all. Still, like any addiction (and I AM addicted to her), the first step to recovery is admitting the addiction!

Onwards and upwards.

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Sorry to hear about that for multiple reasons.

The good news is that you did figure out part of what worked for you - at least with her.

IH is one of my favortie products. I use it often.

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dat a boy!
:smiley: