mobocaster:
The best straight-up kino initiator I’ve had yet was P103 - In fact it was my fallback for times of P83-drought. I used it in much the same ways at maybe 20% lower dose across the range for various mixes.
The trouble is, it was maybe too good an initiator as I frequently had women handling and squeezing me like pan loaf in a baker’s, or trying to get my attention in all sorts of direct physical ways (eg throwing stuff!) - even in front of worried looking husbands/boyfriends etc, then they would visibly check themselves and pull right back - as I said, too good and I could never get something to soften/mediate the harshness of its physicality, or the god-awful cheesy-feet stench I got from it, although I never got any hint that anyone who responded to it got the smell.
MX297/P75 is another pretty good one - esp with younger/Asian women, often surprisingly so.
I had a chance to use what I thought was about 30 mcg P103 with 2.5 of P75 . Really crushy; somewhat like P75 with P83 or IO +IH, but with much more empathy and emotion. Since 103 is not available, my order for P74 will go in the next day or two. We then move on to testing that with P75.