experienced users: Pheromones for Kino - recommendations?

Yeah, i can see how it wouldn’t be, but what if that could work to one’s favor? I was thinking that this with TUTH, and maybe a sexual like evolve, would make for a nice night, or using pse+magnetic+103 would make for a nice jump your bones mix and from there whether you keep what you get is up to hpw you play your cards. I mean with some strangers i can see itgoing both ways, with someone you know wjo maybe hasn’t made a decision yet, it may actually be the key to destroying their fears the sexual nature of the relationship. Sometimes inhibitions are caused by not knowing if someone is sexually proficient even they know you fit the bill for other categories of a relationship. It’s sad and leads to regret but what can you do right? if only we could read minds, relationships could be better established without a what if factor.

It can work in your favour but IMO it would need someone already very comfortable or well-into you and largely turned-on enough to be wanting to go all the way. So to that end there is the possibility of Adding P103 as the night goes-on and IOIs soidify, much like you might add TUTH to MX297. That could work well.

However when wearing it with going-out/meeting people mixes, even with quite soft/social mixes, its more that you get rapid and intense physical engagement, then the subject seems to stall and sudenly realise they are crawling all over you, check themselves and pull-back. Making it harder to recover/progress.

The dose range is also a lot tighter compared to P83 and not much moderates it - With P103 its a very fine line between little or no effect and getting straddled, wheras with P83, you get physicality increasing or decreasing progressively over 30-60mg around your sweet spot (depending on type of mix), so you can make it much more seamless/progressive.

But hell, in the absence of P83, its the best AD have got - and when it works, with the right persons in the right carefree environments, its possibly even better. :smiley:

I have wondered if P103/P96 might be the answer - Using P96’s emotional easement properties to help get them over the shock of P103’s physicality but I’ve been pursuing other mix styles FTM whilst I’m still not quite fit enough for taking full-on club sexual mixes out in anger. :slight_smile:

I’ve thought about that too, if 103 is used in the absence of 83, and they feel themselves crawling over you, 96 could help. What about using bliss, core, cohesion to make the environment that much more carefree and natural, all while adding that bonding factor, along with p74 to make the situation a happy one, and as the night progresses, adding 103+96 for that instant crawl all over you, yet emotionally eased sensation. My brain is going over time trying to figure out a perfect mix :stuck_out_tongue:

Its P103 as an alternative to P83 - Mixing the two together seems pretty pointless to me. The P103 overpowers P83’s more subtle physicality at normal doses. Very high doses of P83 might help but by then the disinhibition would be turning to disinclination to do anything.

Cohesion has very little effect not tried any of those others with it - P103 adds its own qualities almost regardless of the rest of the mix - its also very like P83 in that respect. The dose only varies over a smaller range depending on the overtness or status of the mix.

P74 - no. I’ve used P103 in P74 mixes before and it does nothing to moderate the 103. And more generally P103 isn’t the stuff for bonding mixes. Its always done best in ONS/hard-hitting sexuals as its so much more immediate.

P96 is the only one that I think I’ve found works the right way on an unconscious level that might offset it.

What about using pse with p96? Simple mix. Also, when it comes to putatives, since they have other effects at higher doses, it would be more of a spray it when the moment deems necessary kinds of pinch moves right? Unlike these mainstream pheromixes which can work progressively as you wear it throughout the day or night, it seems that putatives wiuld seem to work their magic more rapidly.

With P83 or P103, I’d have it in the mix from the start of the night. Adding a disinhibitor like as you go along would maybe be too obvious - unless you started somewhere very formal/sedate? - Maybe add some more alongside an overt sexual if things were going well/when I got home with someone though.

Worth trying of course but I tend to try and minimise the amount of mones I carry with me, so usually start with a fairly balanced mix with the main steering and just increase the sexual element (most often TUTH or Androstenone) as I go along.

Seems legit, i wouldn’t want to carry a bunch with me either. What would you suggest using if say they were on their period? I get the feel that androstenone would be the last thing to use, but then again it may work? Lets say that we dont know what kind of people they are into but assume that they may be attracted by high levels of eNone, and maybe during their period they woulfnt love a high none sig as well? Would it interfere with their moods? I know for this kind of thing cohesion helps, as well as using Ascend for status, but would it be more beneficial to use A314 instead Of Ascend if that was the case? Im going to try and use a high none sig like SOB and see how she reacts to it. What oil drop dosage would you suggest from a sample bottle? And in terms of sample bottles do they have a higher, lower or equal concentration as the actual 10ml bottle?

None is about the worst thing you can use when a woman is on her period - Maybe only eclipsed by TUTH/P79 IME - and you won’t get much of a warning, then you will suffer! :open_mouth: :smiley:

For women on their period, A1 remains the best thing ever by a very long shot. Some of the alternatives come close but nothing yet does it quite as well as A1. It will even moderate a little None effectively then too. A314 - alongside A1, yes great stuff. On its own, it can be a bit more challenging - some women like respond to its “take charge” vibe nicely but others will act-up a bit. Bluntly its a difficult time emotion and phero wise, so a useful time for you to be doing your own thing for a few days. Its also useful to learn the cycle of any woman you are around regularly so you can hit the social/comforting note or go-ghost instead. :wink:

Ascend/SOB - we are pushing the boundary of what we can discuss here now but the former is usable, not the latter.

However going-out worrying about how any random woman on her period might react isn’t going to get you anywhere with pheros. a woman can hate your guts one week and be totally on-for you the next, even without pheros/period, never mind with. Just regard it as a faster and more efficent screening method! :smiley:

What do you mean its emotional easement ?

I find that P96 in a sexual mix helps people become a lot more comfortable with feeling and expressing arousal around you - But I do not mean comfort in the None-moderating/balancing sense of products like IO, CTTM2, IH, P74 etc, more like P96 does for the mind and emotional interactions, something similar to what P83 does for physical interactions/kino etc.

What amount of P 103 would you recommend?

I have P96 and P83 as well I just might see if there could be a good mix. I do agree with the P96 and P103 combo sounds interesting.

I need to get me some P96 and P83, but settled for P75 and tuth for the moment, hopefully ill be getting those others in the future. My specific targets are hispanic :stuck_out_tongue:

I’d suggest 7.5-10mcg for P103 - If I’m getting again, it will prob be in 7.5 so I can tune dose better. Start with one spray and test carefully. The effective range is tighter than P83 but that still varies with the mix style but I doubt you will be using more than 60mcg, even with the most honking sexual!

Actually those two go really well with P75/TUTH around Hispanics. :smiley:

P93 is another I’d been wondering about for paring with P103 but given the effect that P93 in sexual mixes has had on Butch Femmes/full-on Bulldykes, I’d rather not disinhibit them further! :open_mouth: :open_mouth: :open_mouth: