Received my order yesterday, very excited and keen to get going so I sprayed one spray of IS onto my neck in the evening. I sprayed another spray about 20 mins later as I remember people saying to start with 2 sprays. I didn’t notice any kind of elated mood or anything like that. I’d have to say that I was a bit disappointed after all I had read about IS. All I got was a slight heart flutter/increased pulse rate. In fact after an hour or so I got pretty tired and slightly achey in my neck/throat. I was at home the whole time, didn’t go out. Washed it off and went to bed a bit disappointed really.
Today I tried out IO and I’m happy to report better results. Sprayed one spray first thing in the morning on my neck and as soon as I left my house I wanted to speak to the first person I saw! I found myself more open to speaking to people throughout the morning, seemed more creative maybe, didn’t second guess what I should say. Again though, I got the achy feelings. The IO effects seemed to wear off by lunch time, so I sprayed another spray on my wrists. Can’t say I noticed such pronounced effects as I did in the morning, but still got some effects. By 5pm I’d had enough of the smell, just wanted to wash it off. Was also feeling achy in my neck/throat, slight headache as well.
So at this point I’m feeling a bit better about the pheromones than I was last night, but also slightly deflated to be honest. Main reason is the very potent smell, which I don’t find too pleasant at all. It’s just too strong I think. Hopefully I’ll get used to it, how did you guys find it at first?
I’ve done some extensive searching on the forum and I see that there can be side effects upon initial use. I also think I inhaled far too much after I had just sprayed it, so going to hold my breath next time and walk away from the area after application.
This is reading way too negative - so on the positive side, I can’t fault the service from AD, and it’s good that I saw results from IO today. I was beginning to fear I might be immune to the effects after my initial try with IS.
Tomorrow I’ll apply IS in the morning - on my wrists - and see what the reaction is from other people as I’ll be out all day again.
Sometimes you don’t notice the effects, this differs from person to person. 2 sprays is the recommended amount, sometimes I need more to feel the effects, but I do know that if I OD on the stuff (4-6 sprays) I get a very strong reaction from the pheromones (some make me drowsy like alcolhol, others make me feel like mike tyson,…). The deflation is most likely your body trying to resist the effect of the mones, the aggro putatives make me really deflated because my natural feeling is to resist the urge to slap someone in the face and pick a fight with someone. I used putatives before I go sleeping to see if I get some effect, and with some of them I woke up very tired and felt like I had a really rough night while with others I just feel really calm and don’t want to get out of bed at all. I do notice however a pattern: If people are reacting to your mones but they don’t know what happens, you will notice that they will start to behave differently than normal. If they know that you are using pheromones or they try to resist, then they tend to go into a blank stare or they tend to totally ignore you. My sister for example got an OD dosage in her nose and just looked at me like I was nuts, while a couple next to me got all lovey-dovey with each other. Sometimes I also question myself if its the pheromones or myself. It varies with the dosage and location though, I can have girls totally not reacting to the pheromones at all while on other days they tend to start clinging to you like they are really interested in you (especially with the more sexual ones). The best test is to spray it on your wrist or finger and smell the perfume directly afterwards, you should feel a bit light headed (or in my case I want to rub my wrist with my head like a cat). If you don’t smell or feel anything, even after spraying an OD amount on yourself, then i would recommend going to the doctor to get yourself checked out because then it can be possible that you have a problem with your nose.
I tried out sprays while I was at home for testing self-effects, sometimes I just don’t get anything at all, other times I questioned if it was natural behavior. With the pheromone sprays I think its best to spray it on directly after a shower, let your mind go blank, smell the perfume while getting dressed and relax for a moment. Don’t think too much about its effects and what its supposed to do, because the more you think about it, the more you will focus to get the desired effect (biassed thinking). Thats why I don’t think too much about the effects of putatives and MX. I know what they are supposed to do and where its best to be used for but other than that I don’t want to think too much about it and just enjoy the moments unfolding in front of my eyes. My putatives have 1 word written on it, and that word is usually the most common effect being written here.
About the sprays not working: I notice a pattern in my emails with the A314 (even here). In the morning my letters are really long, straight out of the box, more direct and to the point, while around the afternoon/night they tend to get a bit more loose and more friendly. Androtics even asked me if I was wearing mones because I kept rambling on and on…
Thanks for your reply mrseeker, I understand what you’re saying about not thinking too much about the effects and see what unfolds.
Today I applied one spray of IS to the back of my hand. Much preferred this as it doesn’t get on my clothes, plus the smell wasn’t under my nose constantly - much more pleasant. I did feel some initial effects: slightly increased heart rate, a slightly more “pumped” feeling, a slight uplift in my thoughts and mood. Found I went a bit light headed when smelling my hand. There was also a slight headache again, nothing bad, but noticeable.
I did notice something interesting happen around lunch time though - I seemed to become quite “punchy” in my attitude, a kind of “take it or leave it, I don’t care”. I said what was on my mind a bit more. I applied another spray at lunch, and this punchy behaviour continued into the afternoon. I’ve just read the product page again:
A key to Instant Shine, when used in moderation, is that it gives you that kind of aloof confidence that’s so powerful and appealing, it just sucks other people in. The kind of confidence that doesn’t just make you feel good, but also allows you to better do as you please. The sense that you will succeed, regardless of real or imagined negativity around you. It really helps you to express yourself more freely.
So yeah - I definitely saw this behaviour, trouble is I do other self-improvement type things for confidence so I can’t be 100% sure it was the IS, but it did seem unusual for me so I think this suggests it was the IS. I didn’t notice anything out of the ordinary about how the people around me acted - there was no “centre of attention” thing going on.
On initial impressions I’m more impressed with IO than IS.
A day off tomorrow I think, then I’ll test out Ammo on Friday to check I don’t get any adverse reactions before I head out for the night on Saturday. I’m thinking 2x Ammo and 2x IS at this stage, see if I can’t stir things up a bit
On a night out to some bars last night I applied 2 sprays of IO on my neck and 1 spray of Ammo on my wrists before heading out. I can’t say I noticed any effects from the Ammo but I definitely did from the IO. I was quite chatty but also noticed a beta vibe about myself, had to keep myself in check at times not to get too carried away even. This definitely isn’t what I want to achieve! So I think one spray of IO is probably my limit with this pheromone. I guess I need to apply more Ammo.
Also my concerns about the strength of the smell have died down a bit because I couldn’t really smell them at all when I was in the bars. So that’s encouraging. I still think they could be less potent though for work and other situations where colognes aren’t normally worn so much. Interestingly, the Ammo fragrance stood out more than the IO, even though the IO was closer to my nose. Seems to me that the Ammo fragrance easily covers over the IO fragrance, which is just as well because I prefer the smell of Ammo
So after my first few experiments with pheromones I’d have to say that I am glad I discovered them and excited to keep experimenting. I know I just need to keep experimenting to get the various types to work for me. One question I’ve got at this stage is can I apply one type of pheromone directly over the top of another once it has dried, or is it best to spray in different areas?
I mix sprays directly on my body without waiting. It does not really matter where you spray, but I do notice that when I spray on my hands I can diffuse it better (but with added risk that I can wash it off after the toilet). On my neck is really great for work but when I am going outside its very hard to keep my neck warm (and when its cold it wont diffuse at all). My chest is great to create an aura of self-effects. I have several tricks, but the best one for me is grabbing my t-shirt and making a little air bubble that “squirts” out the perfume from my chest. Gives a good dose of self-effects in the air in front of my nose. Spraying too much on one place will make it drip, I tend to spray myself around my chest, there are 6-8 points of application on there, 2 points on the neck for those close encounters and 2 on your wrists to spread them out.
Thanks again for your reply mrseeker, I like the idea of the air bubble, in fact I tried it out today with IS and yes it works well
I’m glad to report no headache today at all and the smell seems a lot weaker - hopefully I’ve adjusted to the pheromones now.
Next is to try to get Ammo to work for me. With 2 sprays I still see no effects at all. Do I just keep upping the amount of sprays until I notice some effects?
Would a woman need to be able to smell the scent for her to be affected by the pheromone? i.e. does the pheromone “reach out” only as far as the scent goes? Or is the pheromone out there still even if she can’t smell that I’ve got cologne on?
Well, if you don’t notice anything with 2 sprays, then I would go to 3 and eventually 4. More than that and you will reach into OD zone. If you don’t see any effect even with 4 sprays, then I think you should consider either changing your wardrobe or a good lesson in the hidden signatures of a woman interested in you
If they smell your cologne, then they will smell the pheromones for sure. Some of the sprays have some sort of “secretive” diffusion (or so I heard), however I don’t think that is the case with ammo. For me, generally everyone standing within 3-5 feet away of me will smell for sure that I am wearing perfume, and everyone standing less than 2 feet away from me will start to question themselves. Most of the girls don’t react to the smell, its more a hit-or-miss with Ammo but as soon as I start a conversation then their brain seems to go haywire. Most obvious sign is that when you stare into a girl’s eye, they tend to look away and tend to start blushing. Other signs are that they fiddle with their hair or constantly keep looking at you even if they should be looking the other way. Its not really noticable (girls really do their best to hide it from you), but I had girls who went totally giggly and girlish when they were sitting next to me and didn’t want to leave at all.
Here is the thing, it sounds a lot like your internal bias (“I paid money, I believe this will work, why isn’t it working?”) is actively sabotaging your experience. Pheromones are only as effective as you are. If you are ankle deep in doubt, of course you aren’t going to see results. If you are neck high in confidence it’s not going to work. You aren’t going to see results. Results don’t happen daily. It’s a simple truth. If you read the journals, you will find its not a magic potion.
Pheromones are like anything, people have taste in them. (A mostly undeveloped taste, but a taste none the less.) So if you are in an elevator and a woman smells it, but you don’t come out as the source if it, she isn’t going to go on the hunt for red october. She is going to get off on her floor like anybody else would. It’s that simple. Pheromones are part of a communication package. They aren’t the whole deal. The pheromone won’t talk, smile and charm her. That’s your job. The pheromones can affect the reception of your communication, but won’t outright make her turn around a boff you in the elevator. (Well, not from our end at least. Chicks be cray sometimes.)
Used the wrong mix in the wrong location. The pheromones did work, but at such low levels that I was not even sure that I had the right mixture at all. Wrote it down, got some help from the more experienced users, and now I am trying to avoid this mix for those situations. I always say pheromones are more like a “spray and forget”. I spray them on and see what reactions I get from people.
I had one of my female friends using 10mcg TAC (she wanted to try out if it was really not snake oil) and she told me that she did not notice anything different except feeling a bit “manly” because of the smell (neroli). Her friend however was a different case, she liked the smell. Other than that she did not mention any difference in behavior. Could be that she was going to a pretty quiet gym that day.
Thanks for the advice guys. Not long after I posted I also found a thread from 2008 mentioning about how the pheromones just enhance what is already there. So with my feet back on the ground, and a little more realistic level of expectation set, let the experimenting continue…
In my experience, I don’t really get much in the way of self-effects from IS. It seems to affect others around me more than me, so I only use it when I specifically want to influence others in that way.
It sounds like you experienced the IS crash. You might want to read up on that. I’m one person who experiences a pronounced crash from IS, and that’s another reason I use it sparingly.
You’re right, headaches are a common side effect with new users of pheromones. Your senses have to adjust and get used to them. Also, if you go for a long time without using pheromones (weeks or months), you might experience the headache upon using them again.
Be careful that you don’t increase your dosages based on the way they make you feel. It is natural to develop a tolerance, and you can tend to feel less self-effects with continued usage. But keep in mind that you are the only person developing this tolerance, unless you’re in close quarters with the same people every day. Strangers and acquaintances will feel the full effects, much more than you do. Adjust your doses based on the reactions from other people, not your own feelings.
Thanks for the tips. I can feel the self-effects more so now, even just smelling the cap gives me a quick “pick me up”. I didn’t experience any kind of crash last time I tried IS. I’ve not really experienced much in the way of effects on others so far. Main thing I’m happy with is that the smell doesn’t seem so potent anymore. The first couple of days I tried out the pheromones, wow, I felt I smelled like a chemical spillage
It happens to a lot of people, myself included when I first started testing. I got a headache cause I wasn’t used to wearing scents. You get used to it, and sounds like you have. I notice the crash ~4 hours in if I am wearing a high dose.
Also just a generic tip, get a dedicated pen and pad for keeping your dosages in. Mine is all scrawl but it’s just legible enough, IE Date Night 1/21/14, IS @ 2 sprays etc. Helps keep track of what you are wearing at what dosage for days past, making it easier to replicate results.
Thanks Nick, I have indeed got some notes going with my experiments.
Still not noticing anything much with Ammo. I’ve tried 1 spray quite a few times and 2 sprays once. I’d have to say though that I’m not certain I can continue with the standard edition - the smell is just SO potent and gives me a headache after a while. Can’t believe I posted previously that I preferred the smell of Ammo to the standard neroli, I find it really unpleasant now!
I’m determined to keep testing but I think I’m going to have order a different scent, which is a bit annoying as there must be over half the bottle left still
Looks like there isn’t a neroli one so will have to take my chances with the World Edition. I think I read it isn’t as strongly scented as the standard Ammo, can anyone confirm?
You can actually add the “custom fragrance” to your order and customize the scent. It only works for the 30ml bottles but I do it sometimes when I want to smell a little bit different than normal.
I heard that the World edition is a diffent smell, while the Summer edition is a less strong version with a small variation of the spray (hence the limited edition).
Right thanks. I’m going to try out the ToGo version again though I think. I’m still not clear on whether the other versions of Ammo are less potent in terms of the smell though?
Less potent in terms of smell? No. If you think that the smell is too potent or you want a different cover scent you need to get a custom fragrance order.
Instant Shine self effects will dissipate if you’re not socially stimulated. If you were to have used it in a social setting, I reckon you would have had different results.
I found I had it written in my notes all along - someone else on the forum mentioned that the standard fragrance is 20% perfume, whereas the World and Summer editions are 6%.
