I’m 25 year old male Chinese from Singapore while she’s 23, also Chinese. We’ve been in an intimate relationship for 3 years, but in recent months, she told me that she doesn’t love me anymore and she no longer feels any attraction.
We just broke up so I’m using the time to work out and improve myself and keeping away in her even though we were close friends before and agreed we could continue to be that way.
My plan was to stay away and improve myself for 3 weeks, then when we finally hang out again (possibly for drinks), I’d like not only to be able to impress we with the change and confidence but also to get some help from pheromones to rekindle any lingering attraction to me she might have.
Some facts about me that may be of consideration: I was unfit after being complacent in a relationship, but now exercising every day. My blood type is O.
What would be some good pheromones to use? Not necessarily to seduce her into sex immediately, but to build up that attraction again?
How should I apply them for the best response in this particular situation?
Hey I’m new here too, but over the past few days I have read A LOT. No expert at all but replying here may get your post some more attention from professionals.
Based off what I have read you might want to look into AMMO and mix that with some IS. Instant shine is going to bring the “good feeling vibe” that is going to make her feel good around you! AMMO is going to bring the “sexy vibe”, yet not a “sexual vibe”.
I said AMMO because you said you didn’t want to seduce her, but you wanted to make her feel attraction.
That’s my two cents, BUT if you really wanted to go further you can look at this post, though I would think what I stated would be by far more cost efficient and ethical:
I’ve read a bit and saw that IG seems to work well with Asian girls? How true is that?
The point of telling my ethnicity and blood type as well is because I understand O bloody types normally alr give out higher levels of pheromones and I wouldn’t want to overdose and turn her off.
The pheromone WMD seems like a killer. I’ll need to read further on that.
The plan right now for me is that I’m taking 3 weeks to improve myself, build a better body, and when I next meet her again, hopefully the pheromones will help stimulate and remind her of the special times we had together and the feelings we had for each other. I would try to play the alpha here and not suggest any lingering longing for her, but ideally she’d show physical signs of attraction.
Maybe if we keep this up and I keep her hooked my plan might actually work.
Thinking about the psychology of this situation, it seems safe to assume that your ex is comfortable around you, she feels safe. So you don’t need to pussyfoot around too much with the safety/comfort side of things.
HOWEVER (and I’m only guessing here) maybe you could do with increasing your “respect” levels. The choice here is between A314 and P75. Bear in mind that P75 simply gives off a very masculine, “large” impression, whereas A314 is much more complex and complete. The downside of A314 is that it will take multiple exposures to start to have an effect on you AND on your ex. This will be more of a slow burn!
I would say get some A314 and start to test for your sweet spot dosing during the next three weeks. After that, you’ll need to see how she reacts. You may not need anything else. Keep up the fitness program!
I think her current mindset is to just be friends and I might cause her to flee in fear if he senses anything more than just that outwardly.
She said that she loves me as a person, but not in love with me, so I do think I need something to create that sexual spark which we lost in recent months.
I think I’ll definitely go with A314, even though there’s not much doubt she respects me. She recognises my confidence and my ambitions, but the key here would be to get her to fall for me again.
So would you guys suggest maybe IG or IH along with THUT or AMMO?
If Asian, the IG helps with respect and it doesn’t intimidate them at the same time. IH is a great choice as it’ll open up intimacy issues with her and you’ll have a good heart to heart, and hopefully it’ll lead to make up sex, I’d also add some Instant Shine to take the edge off the heart to heart. I don’t suggest TUTH until you’ve patched things up, then sneak on a single spray to max double before getting intimate (you can use TAC to buffer it, it really takes the edge off the self effects for me). As for Ammo, it’d be good. Combined with IG it’d come across that you’re a different man. Ask peeps on the scents though. Regular is like nasty cheap shampoo to me, some peeps really love it though, so your milage my vary.
When I saw my old GF after a 7 month break due to being in separate countries, she noticed INSTANTLY that I seemed like a new/different man, she also suspected pheros and I levelled with her and said yes. She said she liked the new me as much as the old and wouldn’t say which one she preferred.
Im typing on my phone so ill make this brief. Seems like whats lacking here is good sex. Read up on some different techniques. Open up and keep hitting the gym not only will improve your physique but it will also work on your confidence.
It’s not the sex, there are deeper issues than that.
She still loves me as a person, just doesn’t see a future for us. Right now things seem full of despair. I’m hoping a few months away will make her see something different.
But she said she wants to try and find the one. Is there any hope for me in that event? Can pheromones really help make her see something altogether new in me to convince her I’m desirable again?
You can try the pheros, but a break really might be what you need. You have to understand that girls often don’t know what gold is until they’ve been through a string of men. If you think you are gold, then she in time, after much reflection and comparison, will likely come to see the same thing. If you don’t then use this time to turn yourself into gold. Look at all the areas that you need work on and work on them, one at a time if needed.
Pheros can work wonders, but if there are deep issues, then they won’t help all that much, just a temporary bandaid at best. That is, if your relationship needs more than just a fresh coat of paint thrown on your car, then they really will be just that, a fresh coat of paint thrown on a car that needs a tune up. They won’t fix your car for you, you’ll have to do that yourself.
If the issue is on her end, well time and the string of new men that run through her life will add a set of prescriptive lenses to how she sees you, men and life in general. There won’t be much that you can do here. Women in general are incredibly bad at reading men and it can take them years or even decades to figure out a good one from the bad (some never do).
Hopefully it’s just a fresh coat of paint that is needed. If not it could be her lenses or you need to give yourself an overhaul.
Looks like you’re very much in the same kind of situation as I am, except my ex is not looking for anyone else at the moment.
If you’d like more info on my thing, check out my journal (will update towards current events shortly) and my introduction post thread.
After doing a lot of reading on how to get ex back in general and when facing the lack of sexual interest, I have to agree with what Wyatt said and I’m currently doing all that myself, just taking distance from her, improving myself in every way imaginable (and more) and thus raising my value as much as I can.
I plan to see her rarely, getting her to know the new and better me bit by bit and letting her to see what she is missing.
…While wearing pheros of course.
I decided to go with the Kotov’s fallout mix as my phero weapon, steered towards more sexual and manly tone with TUTH and P75. The socials buffer TUTH well enough, so it’s ok. I’ve of course done my testing though. Your situation might be a bit different because of the Asian race and their different tolerance of TUTH. I think mobocaster could share some of his expertise on this issue.
So far I’ve not had many chances to see her, but that’s just fine for now.
I’m still at loss with how I’m going to build that sexual spark, but I figure I’ll get there eventually, somehow.
I think you’re currently on the right track. Just don’t make the same mistake of pursuing her as I did… Love cannot be forced.
There isn’t very much you can do, except improve, improve more and be the best person you can be and hopefully she’ll see what she’s missing. Pheros will help, but only so much. They aren’t magic, unfortunately.
There are some excellent reads available on the internet regarding just this stuff we’re going through and they have been helping my case and myself personally very much.
I’d be happy to recommend some good reading to you. PM me if you’re interested!
It is of some comfort to find someone in such a similar position as I am. I fluctuate between giving up all hope of ever getting back together with her, or just persevering.
How have you managed to stay so focused on her for so long?
Would you say that the pheromones have been helping your interactions with her? And how about the more sexual pheromones like TUTH?
In my own experience, P75 gives off an impression of a big, powerful, masculine man. Slightly intimidating, NOT sexual, just powerful and attention-grabbing. That’s it. Some women will find this attractive, but others may not. Some women who have been dominated by powerful, masculine men may even find it too much. So it depends on the woman. The better you know your target, the better you can judge for yourself if P75 is appropriate. Using P75 raw on it’s own may only attract certain types of women. You generally have to use it with something else to broaden it’s appeal, such as P74 OR A1.
A314 is a full mix of molecules, and is a stand-alone product. It will work well on its own. Again, in my own experience it seems to radiate a cool, quiet confidence, a degree of masculinity without aggression, a hidden power; almost like the legendary “Iron fist in a velvet glove”. But it seems to work in a different way to P75 - it seems to affect the wearer over a period of time, as well as the target. It needs time and multiple exposures to generate full impact.
If my analysis is accurate (which it is for me in my own personal circumstance / target), then P75 will be effective within minutes of exposure, whereas A314 will take longer to hit home. Do not misunderstand me; A314 will have effects within minutes as well, but will deliver even more over a longer period of time. So you need to know how long you will be near your target for, and how often. If you have a specific target in mind, you may also need to start low and build up your dose to find the sweet spot for her.
Ragnar’s description of P75 is dead accurate. It’s a big, powerful and youthful male. But it’s not sexual, so comparisons to -eNone don’t really hold water. Actually, it buffers -eNone. Does anyone know if the A314 sprays are Rev. 29? Guys always fret if they’re short or not really muscular. 75 is a good way to appear chemically larger than life. It’s the short guy’s secret weapon. Works best with Alpha females and those that prefer the strong, muscular type. Can work with girls who like bad boys. Use None with it…it doesn’t need much, but it does need some. Especially for the bad boy lovers and cougars. For someone like dsouza (and even me), P75 with probably alphanol and maybe even -eRone products may turn out to be ideal. I’d forgotten just how good the hits with P75 and IO were, practically the best ever. IO is just a wallet buggering sod for the amounts I use. Reading up on JV Kohl’s work, he swears by eRone. And, frankly, 75 is way closer to eRone than it is -eNone. I have both 75 and pure None, and the two are nothing alike to me, except for how long they last. 75 doesn’t really make women horny without some P83 and a dash of None. P75 just makes you cute and beefcake.
Watch out with the Ammo. I experienced the hate component of the product last night. Go back and read the product description. It can create either love or hate. I believe that I sprayed on too much, ( I felt sick and calm at the same time).
Giving up hope or not is up to you. You have to decide if she’s really worth it. There are billions of other girls out there, but if you truly feel she’s the one, why not fight for it?
If you choose to take the long and difficult path of heartache to get her back, you’ll probably become stronger and better man on the way, no matter how it ends up eventually… Well, except for the heart…
If you choose to take the easy road and let her go, you’ll find someone new and maybe you’ll like her even more…
The paths cross somewhere in between though. You can see other women and keep her as your main target and improve yourself hoping she’ll come around. Have fun while keeping her close to your heart.
I have managed to stay focused on her because of what I feel for her.
I’m not focused on her exactly though. I have realized she’s not the one I have to focus on. I am.
I was focused on her and it only got me further away from her. I’m working hard and doing everything I can for myself now, as I’m the one who needs to improve if I ever want to get her back. I focus on myself, but keep in mind everything I do I do “for her.” The hope keeps me going.
However, even if I don’t ever manage to get her back by my side, I’ll still have the better new me I’ve created during the process. I hope some day she’s willing to have another try with me but in case she doesn’t, well, she loses a good man!
As for the pheros, I honestly cannot tell yet. I’ve only had so few meetings with her. What I can notice though is the effect of IS on her.
I also very much noticed the effect when I kind of failed (to put it lightly) moderating TUTH (and P75). I’ll write about the unfortunate event in my journal in due time… Meanwhile I encourage everyone not to OD with TUTH when trying to win someone back… :o
My guess is if it’s for lack of passion they’d help, but if it’s for a lack of emotional intimacy they wouldn’t as you’re just sending off an I want to get laid signature. If she’s looking for you to be a better provider or marriage though, pheros won’t help much here as she is really after specific things, the right ones will help boost her image of you, but if you don’t deliver she’ll be just as frustrated as before.
It all depends on the state of the remains of the relationship/connection, or not. What you want from the encounter and if there is still a good degree of sexual attraction/tension between you. If you are both still well-hot for each other and up-for-it, then yes the likes of TUTH or other overt sexuals can be good.
However, if there is need of an element of reconnection, re-bonding, getting closeness/trust back or even just being able to share the same space without tearing bloody great lumps out of each other then a more gentle, status rebuilding, communication easing and less “fuck-me-NOW!” signature is likely a better choice.
