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So just out of curiosity, how will your experiment and report be different from the others that have been done? Some of which say things work, some of which say things don’t? (This forum has plenty of threads that say things don’t work from experienced people who find some other things do work, there are also blind tests that have been done etc.)

I’m genuinely curious and open minded to find out what you discover. I’m just wondering how you will validate your specific set of results as being more “true” or “correct” than anyone elses. ie. why will your results be more believable, whether they appear to show things work, or whether they appear to show it’s a placebo? You say you are not a scientist and yet you are attempting to prove or disprove the work of people who are. I’m not just talking Androtics, there is pheromone research elsewhere too obviously, some of which again suggests human pheromones exist and some of which suggests they don’t impact behaviour.

And not all results are black and white either (and I don’t think Androtics claim they are, see the constant references to “sweet spots” etc).

As an example, take coffee

I am pretty much immune to caffeine unless I have a high dose before bed.

I have a friend who is paranoid and anxious on half a latte.

I have another friend who can drink a strong black coffee half an hour before bed and sleep just fine.

Another gets a major “down” the day after a lot of caffeine which I and others don’t get.

That’s just 4 in my circle I happen to know about. I don’t think it’d be hard to show a less than 70% same effect from caffeine in my group of friends.

But does that mean all perceived caffeine effects are null and void and all our experiences are invalidated? Or does it just mean there is a variation in individual responses that is unquantifiable in normal terms of measurement beyond saying we all get “some” response?

Entire schools of scientific thought are built on far flimsier foundations. If I remember my basic psychology the basis of Freud (who incidentally had a sample group that would be considered totally void these days) is that your denial of the Oedipus complex is used as proof that he is right.

“I never had a crush on my Mom”
“That denial is just proof you are repressing it. QED my theory is proven.”

I’m over simplifying but the point I’m making is that science and cosmetics is FULL of variation. “**Can **make wrinkles appear smaller”, “**can **make your hair thicker”, “proven to make teeth whiter in 61% of 72 test subjects”.

This isn’t medicine where the margin for variation is so small because it can be so critical (though even then you get variations).

Take a typical Androtics product page and it is full of words like “can have” not “will have” and “users report” not “we say”. The forum of independent testers reinforces that. Something works for some, works less well for others. I don’t see how that is any different from what any other advertiser to people who want to make themselves appear better does. I don’t have the time to trawl through but I think most claims for AD products aren’t being made by AD employees. If they are responsible in any way for the reports on their products it is down to the fact that either they work, or their customer service skills are just so good people become delusional fantasists and so keen to please them they say what they think they want to hear (and what they themselves want to believe).

I’ve got too much respect for the people on this forum to think it’s the latter.

My understanding is that in most parts of the world, pheromones are regulated as cosmetics and perfumes because that is what they are. Smells trigger responses because of the molecules they contain - lavender makes (some) people sleepy, bread baking smells makes (some) people feel comforted. Shops put barely perceptible - and to many imperceptible - fragrance in their air-con to encourage energy. I think it’s lemon but don’t have time to try and find the story now.

Maybe I’m missing something but I don’t see how this is radically different - it’s scent molecules to trigger a response it’s just refining it to be more human-centric.

Genuinely looking forward to your report on here though and promise I will read it with an open mind

Thanks for the great post. I do not know what everyone else has done, so I cannot say how mine will be different. I just know what I am doing. Also, I have not said I intend to prove anything to anyone other than myself. I will do experiments and come to my own conclusion, for myself. The same as others… For some reason, I just get much more heat since I am starting skeptical. If I said “My intentions are to prove that pheromones work” let’s face it, I would not be getting so much heat here.

I have already run some experiments and am running more. I am also doing the common thing – trying them myself. In fact, you can read my journal and see that what I posted was positive. I have refrained from posting any further in my journal because it will start a back-and-forth I am trying to avoid when possible. I have a tendency (I am a work in progress) to enter too much argument. My other personal experience has been less than compelling so I have just decided to leave the journal alone.

Caffeine is a proven stimulant. The effects can be proven, regardless of the differences from person to person. There is no debate among science as to if Caffeine is a stimulant.

I understand your point about “can make” and not “will make” etc, but that again assumes all companies advertise their pheromones this way. Remember, this is not about* ADirect!* There are plenty of pheromone companies out there that make much stronger claims. But, yes, even AD does make claims beyond can and may…

A314 - “Trust & Respect Pheromone for Men”
They are calling it a trust & respect pheromone. It either is, or isn’t. There either IS a trust & respect pheromone or there is NOT.

It’s one of the hardest products to describe all of the effects of, but easily one of the most rewarding products ever created for men.

A314 is a complex formula that generates many and varied social effects. Many of these effects may be considered “subtle” by themselves, but when added up, the overall effect is enormous and our users say it’s hard to live without.

This clearly does not state “can generate” or “can have an enormous effect”… It says IT DOES GENERATE and DOES HAVE and enormous effect.

*Both men and women **will *give you their attention and respect, and will want to take your lead. You’ll find more people than ever “bending over backwards” to be of service to you, and, surprise, surprise… they’ll love every minute of it.

To me that does not read CAN but does clearly read WILL.

“Turn Up The Heat” Sexual Pheromone for Men (TUTH/m)
*It **gives *you:

• A strong physical & sexual presence
• A clear signal that now is the time to get physical

*Using *Turn Up the Heat *in this manner **will *Turn UP the SEXUALITY, and help to MELT last minute resistance.

Once again, I do see WILL and not CAN. GIVES and not CAN GIVE. You can look at the AD website to verify this.

Some others with other AD products:

IH = In sales, it’ll help you to better know what’s on your prospect’s mind.
AMMO = *Keep in mind it not only has an attractive scent that others will be able to easily smell, but also has human pheromones in it which will affect both how you feel and how others around you feel. *

The site is full of *WILLS *and DOES… And, yes, other companies make much MORE outrageous claims.