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Fine, PIGS. Where did I say that something that comes from an animal cannot work on a human. I just say that just because something works on an animal does not mean it does work on a human – or we’d have to keep the teens off the catnip!

So, just because something works on animals does not mean it works on humans. That is what YOU are trying to assert… You are saying that IF IT WORKS ON DOGS, it WORKS ON HUMANS. And, yes, that logic is nonsense. * Crap, my wife is blowing the dog whistle again my ears hurt!

*This does seem to explain all those odd feelings I get around pigs though…lol!

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I’m simply gonna read this thread. Making posts in it is simply making me annoyed. Animals react to us and we ourselves react to them. I highly doubt mones are so cut and dry that for animals and us its like comparing the wavelengths of FM and AM radio. Proven or not proven playing into this discussion is like talking for the sake of talking without getting anything out of it knowledge or entertainment.

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Cool. Don’t make posts if it annoys you! If you are honest though you do propose that we look at the effects of pheromones on dogs and then assert that if they work on dogs they work on humans. Hey, when my "results are in’ we may all be raising a glass and toasting pheromones!

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Ok, you are not a scientist. I can tell you this, I know some, if you see my sig, and if you bother to pass by the studies and abstracts sector and read you will find many relevant info on pheormones.

I can tell you this I am a learner an abosover and a scholar of the human behaviour, I spend my life studing mine and others reactions, I am not doing university on this but for me this is natural.

Now if you read my sig:
“What we know at the moment, as many studies in the last few years have pointed out, is that the human sense of smell has by far been underestimated in the past and that humans, like other animals, use olfactory signals for the transmission of biologically relevant information.”

This is a fact, taken as granted from an scientific supported test. I hope you cope with me and we bouth agree that if we cant trust or scientis (and it is very possible), than we can assume or very fundations of knowledge are wrong, and therefore this discussion is irrelevant because in the end we would all be wrong.

Otherwise if we assume we thrive on correct knowledge then we must assume our scientists are correct, and since there are many that PROVE that pheromones exist and none saying they dont really exist, the only thing you can accomplish is stating that in fact what androtics sell is not really phermones, and just some normal cologne. And in this we can bouth agree on it is possible.

Now your question about hope people and intelegence. There is 100x more difficult for people to change alone than with help. Faith is a great weapon, religion as prove that. And if you shaken peoples faith and belif you destroy their hope, and you cant in fact hope they will understand that the power was always in them. Yes I am downsizing people, I have a very dark vision of the world, and belive only a bright few can understand that they are equal to everyone else, maybe not have the same capabilitys but only because they dont belive they can. I belive human potential is limitless only kept down by our own belifs.

So yes if you are correct and take away from people their support, there will be many who wont stand up by themselves. If you doing this for your self, than you shouldnt involve other people in it and look for your results. Chose to belive or chose not to. Try it and dont try it wait for your results, if it works great. What is the problem you buying a bottle of happiness and is exactly what your getting. Who cares about the ingridients if they arent nocive to you and do exactly what you want.

Again, yes maybe this talk is pointless, I am pretty confident your study will give you good results if you make unbiased. Pheromones do exist. Infact everything is a pheromone, everything stimulates your brain in some chemical reaction. So if you can get a hard on for seeing some very sexy girl you probably can also get a hard on for smelling some really sexy girl. the same goes to touching and to earing. I would go even has far as to say feeling since I do belive there is something more to be discovered about human nature.

And yes if they work on dogs they work on humans, my biologist friend is also a skeptic regarding androtics, not because pheromones dosent exist but because in is point of view we dont have yet the tecnolodgy to produce them.

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Questioning if pheromones work is different than questioning if they exist. But many things work on animals that do not work on humans (and vice-versa), again – look at catnip.

There may be many who would crumble if their faith was shaken but that does not mean the truth should not be shared. One thing that can be for sure, if pheromones were proven not effective (publicly and scientifically) then nobody else would have to put their faith into this (then) false promise. You don’t destroy their hope, you destroy their FALSE hope; this opens the door to offer them real hope.

I have yet to see any real science that supports most of the claims on pheromone sales sites. Sure, I have seen plenty that pheromones work in animals, and some that suggests they have some impact on humans but none really that says “there is a pheromone that helps people trust you”.

Now, it could simply be said… “Growing up my mom always smelled like lavender. I love my mom”… So, if I meet that person wearing lavender they might instantly have a connection to me based on their past. “He smells like my mother, that comforts me”… But they are not really promoting that.

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So did ya get your volunteers? If not, I’m in!

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Faith is most certainly a powerful tool

and it can most certainly be a double-edged sword.

Especially when that faith is given to those who would use it without the followers best interests (religion is an excellent example of this)

I believe that pheromones can cause physiological reactions and therefore affect how people react to you.

If I didn’t believe that I wouldn’t use them - If someone could prove to me at a high level of confidence (a double blind study with a sufficiently high number of participants and a way to verify the results) that pheromones don’t have an effect I would stop using them.

Nobrains argument is solid - Positive results from phero’s only to find out it was all me would only boost my confidence…

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ok so if people think it is right, then its their right to have what they ask.

I just hope that your doing this study metodicly. Account for every situation that they enconter in their life, like time of the year, partys they gone, mood in general. All around mood. Subjecting the same people to the 2 types, prolonged experience with each type, discard extreme cases were all around circusntances would defenetly make the diference, account for the expecting and not expecting results factor. You are trying to conduct a experiment that should have a close envirement, were you have no control absolutly of the circustancies each person will encounter and making a final decision not having all the facts wich whoms you didnt have full knowledge of. Just to make sure how many conclusions you want to take out of so many possibilitys. The best option to reduce this is to have a rather large test group. And even then you understand the abstracticity of your study? I hope so.

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nobrain why are you such a hater? you are so angry and taking this so personal that people use pheromones. even if this stuff doesnt work SO WHAT??? the point is we get results that we want. we see the things we want to see and that is the point. We the users believe this stuff works. let it be. if you dont believe in it then dont buy it. as of matter of fact why are you even bothering with it? did you get a bad experience with pheromones or something? did someone steal your girls friend while using pheromones? why the vendetta? bottom line we like it, we are going to use it. get over it

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well i have most of the togo bottles and i dont mind being a guni pig. i work at bmw so i met a lot of poeple and some hot ladys. i would really like to be a part of ur experiment

thanks

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The thing with testing the placebo effect, or pheromone effectiveness isn’t going to really give you conclusive reports. There are too many variables out there for you to consistently prove the effects in either direction.

Some of the things you might encounter.

  1. Attractiveness of your test subjects.
  2. Weather, temperature.
  3. Natural Pheromone production
  • Blood Type
  • Level of physical activity
  • Age
  1. Venues at which the tests are performed. If they are not tested for the specific goals e.g. A314 at a hiphop dance club, or TUTH in a business environment.
  2. Assumptions by participants at the forum already. There is already a bias in either direction.

If you really wanted to conduct a thorough study, you would pay unknown participants. Identical twins would be the best for you since they are genetically alike and can control some of the variables in that sense. Otherwise, there are too many for you to even come up with a decent, if not, a conclusive test. Either way it would be a waste for you for testing purposes.

Just my two cents.

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If theres spot im down for sure! I love testing.

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O gawd of all threads why is this one revived :frowning:

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My bad lol

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I don’t know why nobody else banned this guy already for violating the simple courtesy protocols we set out. He can go troll somewhere else. Banned.

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Look, if it wasn’t brought up again he’d still be here lol

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That’s a great two cents!

Just remember, though, that the people who do very official research do appreciate this forum as a very powerful “incubator” of sorts. The amount of anecdotal feedback and mini-tests here do serve some very useful functions. It often tells the people who design more rigorous studies WHAT to study further.

We’ve also gotten results over the years beyond what we originally thought we would.

As just one example, we’ve found users here who unusually adept at this type of testing. They must have bias correction strategies internalized in their own heads. (Ie - their minds are always adjusting to compensate for any preconceived notions they might have) Some can even figure out what pheromones are in a mix, to an eerie degree – even down to their proportions – far before the mix’s contents are objectively revealed. It’s mindblowing for me to see that sort of tack-sharp, perceptive feedback. Even I can’t do it nearly as well as the few I’m thinking of, so it blows me away every time I see it.

While these people are few and far between, we never would’ve found them without a massive forum like this. In a way some of these people are more impressive than some of the mixes, so that’s a positive “side effect” in a way. :slight_smile: Many didn’t even start this way. The forum actually encouraged and perhaps enabled them in some way to develop these unusual social awareness and testing skills.

Maybe it’d be good to think of this forum like an apple test garden designed to break free from weak monocultures.

If you’ve ever seen such gardens, you know they must be massive since each planted apple seed generates a completely unpredictable result. Braeburn apples don’t just spawn Braeburn apple seeds, for instance. Hidden in the seeds of every single apple, is every single apple’s genetic material. If you planted six different seeds of from the same Braeburn apple, you would get six different apple trees. Few produce precisely the exact result everyone hopes for, but a type of evolution still occurs. Learning definitely happens on many levels. When a good end result does develop, it tends to be an unusually hardy one that can weather a number of trying environments.

Such a garden has many experiments going on at once and many “gardeners” designing them and both gardeners and testers testing the “fruits” of their labor.

Later on, the more rigid research then acts as a set of very necessary “sanity checks” against the gardeners and tester’s biases (their hopes, fears and outright delusions.)

The sanity checks we’ve been working with in the background are less ambiguous than even the most rigorous types of social testing. Most social studies still have far too many variables even when you strip the variables bare. For really “hard” data, we look directly at how the brain itself responds to a stimulus. While we’ve been doing this with relatively basic technology since the beginning to evaluate the molecules we offer here for testing, we’re moving more in the direction of ultra modern testing involving both fMRI and SST. Expensive stuff, but ultimately the results will be worth it.

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This is really interesting stuff and although anecdotal evidence can vary, the forum members do convey qualitative remarks for it. I hope to keep learning hear and testing more and more and try to keep objectivity in mind when I’m using pheros. So far in my tests I’ve seen very promising results with respect to each of the pheromones I’ve used. It comes back to the power of the mind as well to condition ourselves to act in certain ways after a set amount of time. So far I’ve found this to be a great resource and supplement to my social life.

Let’s hope we see more and more results/reports coming out there from more users.

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LOL, because I asked you several times on the phone and you said no :wink:. I would have been happy to nip this in the bud a loooooooooong time ago, but just glad he’s finally gone.

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how can I recieve the pheromones?