I like this board and reading the various posts about experimenting with pheromones. However, i’m tired of the posts that are something like "I got a hit from this girl, she smiled at me, looked at me, and I think it’s because of the mix of ammo+IH+IO+IS, but I didn’t talk to her. Or something like “She looked at me and smiled but didn’t start to talk with me and jump all over me, should I have added TUTH or 2x more ammo and spray my hair instead of chest?”.
My advice rather than change what you put on, just talk to her! And sales people chatting more with you more than usual doesn’t count, it’s their job. We didn’t spend our hard earned money on pheromones just to have the cashier at Target chat with us more than usual.
A way to initiate conversation after I notice a girl looking at me is call her out on it, with a smile! Say jokingly “Hey do I have something on my face? You keep looking at it.” Most of them don’t expect this and be quite shocked. Some will play back at you and say “Yea, right here”, and touch your face, but most will say an embarassed “No, sorry I didn’t mean to look at you”. Use that time to scan their outfit and comment on anything interesting she’s wearing. Girls put alot of time and effort into their wardrobe and accessories. You can either comment positively on something she has on, or tease her about it, up to your personality. This part takes a bit of practice, but certainly a skill that is needed for guys.
The problem is most likely not what you’re wearing or not wearing, but not even talking to girls after a hit from pheromones is a wasted opportunity. Most quality women WILL NOT initiate conversation with you. Their way of wanting to talk to you is by looking at you and nonverbal communication. There’s tons of books on female body language, and spending $20 on one of those books can be just as powerful as spending $120 on pheromones. Sorry for the rant, but I’d like to see more reports on initiating conversation and the results from that. Let’s discuss!
Most of the time I just enjoy the attention and don’t act on the hits I get. Much due to the fact that I’m not a player and I don’t want to be one. Once I get interested in someone, I know that the mones have already helped me get noticed by her and that’s pretty much it for me. More often than that, the lady herself initiates things and that’s quite alright even when I don’t feel attraction to her. Just have to let her down gently.
When people start acting weird around me, which mostly happens when I borderline OD, I just ask them if I smell bad or what the hell else their problem could be. I always get replies like “No man, absolutely not” and “No, you smell fantastic” and they start acting even weirder to show that they approve my presence.
I think a lot of people are just looking for “the hit” to validate there mones are working. I dont talk to every person that reacts to the mones. I do think when someone hits your interested in you should initiate conversation and not expect the mones to do it all for you.
People’s values, goals and intentions may be different then mine or yours but I value everyones imput here whether they are following through or not. Everyone moves with in there own comfort zone and we help each other where ever that comfort zone may be. There are plenty of posts like you describe but also plenty were contact was intiated. Read the ones that interest you.
I know I just posted something similar to what your saying. I understand perfectly what your saying about the guy has to initiate the conversation if he wants it to go somewhere. I was mearly stating how my day went after using mones for the first time. As far as the sales people are concerned, yes it is their job to sell but I feel I recieved better attention. All in all the real reason why I am trying mones is to better my relationship with my current gf that is starting to go south, and for business. I should be meeting up with my gf tonight and will see how I can use any hits she gives me to strengthen our relationship and I will post the results tomorrow. And as far business is concerned I will be out of town for biz this weekend, excited to see how I can use these products to gain maybe a slight edge.
As for some people posting about the hits they recieve and not taking any action could be for many reasons. Just having more women/men notice them and smile at them could increase their quality of life to a point they don’t need to talk to them. Some may be just getting used to the extra attention and don’t know how to handle it. Not everyone is comfortable talking to strangers expecially if they are attractive and of the opposite sex.
I think it’s great that you gave some advice on some whitty openers. Those will definately let you keep control of the conversation and her attention. Lets keep up with the postso everyone can benafit. Great Post op.
Unfortunately, everyone here is not a PUA so initiating conversation is a problem for some. Many guys here are looking for the quick fix for their social shortcomings. They are looking for love potion no. 9. A mix that will have any woman swooning and falling into their arms.
Hits are very, very subjective. You really have to be a good observationalist (is that a word?) to see a true hit. Sometimes a hair flip is just that a hair flip. Sometimes a glance is just that.
To be a good tester, you have to be able to discern between a normal response and an abnormal or unusual response. For example: the waitress at your favorite diner usually just takes your order and serves you. On the day you wear Instant Openness she starts a long conversation with you.
Flirting is normal behavior for many women. A glance in a classroom from 20 feet away may or may not be attributed to pheromones. However if you notice twice the number of women sitting near you in class then you may be on to something.
Opening a conversation will do 2 things. It will extend her exposure time and close the distance gap. In fact it may even help her identify you as the pheromone user (the reason for her feelings).
The validation from a hit may be all a person wants/needs from using mones. Validation will raise social value and give congruence through confidence. You may logically know it was the mones helping but the positive validation does a world of good for your subconscious and raising your state.
This can be validation for your pick-up mentality or for the individual shortcomings/reasons you are using mones.
If I decide to use them to improve my confidence, a hit is a means to an end in itself. In PUA relation, Approach Anxiety is the single most crippling part of pick-up and we devote newbie missions to even control this anxiety or get accustomed to it.
In the bigger picture, not pulling the trigger may help some people. Mones gets you a hit, your confidence improves. You dont pull the trigger, a woman opens you and increases social value. This may take a while but it does occur. You have a longer than usual conversation with a woman, realize no need to fear or not approach and ge accustomed to the MM model of attraction through rapport. Meet a woman at a night club due to improved confidence and the interaction, due to accumulating experience pushes into kino and eventual kissing, past comfort.
For many guys, this above realistic scenario (Reported in several journals on the board) then gives them congruence, confidence and experience and indifference if the approach does not lead anywhere, as you have the validation women want to approach you.
Its counter-productive for a PUA, but as reverse as this plays out it still teaches you the MM model of attraction with positive real world experiences. I’d be willing to say it helps a person become ‘natural’ with his game.
Just food for thought, I agree you need to approach, initiate conversation and learn the logistics no matter what. Some people can just get by without the grunt work and just mones and a bit of charisma.
That’s because that’s an awful line. If I exchange smiles with a girl (and she’s within speaking distance, not across the room), I’ll just say hi and introduce myself. I wouldn’t call myself a pickup artist, but I think most girls have a pretty good bullshit detector. You’re line is not only very aggressive, but confrontational. Don’t make her feel embarrassed or apologize for looking at you.
Aside from that, I think a lot of guys here are already taken, so they can’t act on hits. In addition, some guys just aren’t looking to pickup on certain nights, and just want to have fun with friends.
But for sales, I agree. I think something similar can be said about waitresses and bartenders. However I have read cases in here where people get the sales person’s phone number.
1 000 more fools are being born every fucking day without people being told to fuck even more to create another 1 000. If you want to act on every hit, do so. If you don’t…
I’m getting tired of this pick up shit.
As the time ticks OFF my clock, I find myself OFTEN in a strange mental land. There are days when I’m HUNTING mode, and there are days when I’m in CATCH AND RELEASE mode.
On my HUNTING days, I quickly shove out a bass-filled “HOWDY!,” while politely showing the M to the M’s million dollar smile.
On my CATCH AND RELEASE days, I just let my eyes glid over the curves, check out her toilet grippers, give her an A, B, C, D or F mental grade, share a smile, and continue on with my day.
Still, if one feels they’re in need of practice, you definitely need to share your verbiage once you recognize a SOLID HIT. Sometimes, HELL, a LOT of times, men over think the sitChation. A woman pulling out her wedgy is NOT, let me repeat that … a woman pulling out her wedgy is NOT a ‘COME HERE AND HELP ME’ IOI! BELIEVE THAT!!
BELIEVE THAT!!