so today I was poundering 'why is it so many people don’t have any hits? I’m 18 and I’ve been reading around to find that most younger people do not have any (or vary little) luck with there mones. This was weird to me for the first day I wore A314 I got so many hits it was crazy! Well I’ve come to the conclustion and its not the mones its YOU the user! I am vary passiate about body laugae, commutication, and the basics of pych. So I already kno what to look for.. Its not that hard…let me help if I may
step1a. find ur target before you use mones if you can(skip step if cannot be done)
step1b.(if cannot complete first step)keep your distance from target and observe(DON’T STARE!!!)
step2. Everything you see about that person take mental notes.(ex. How they stand,how they talk, which way they stand when talking to you? Face express. Eye I.e. Are they dialated?)
step3. Approch or start convo
step4. Your on your own!good luck and if you have any questions PM me and I would be happy to help
P.S. Yes I’m not the best speller in the world, but I am not trying to teach spelling so no comments plz. No I can’t use spell check either ( on my palm writing this)
I agree, I think most of the people just don’t know how to tell hits. Pheromone hits can be as subtle and almost identical in some cases to regular IOI that to the average user they can be seen as nothing special because they usually expect girls to be jumping their bones.
Yeah… I thought about this too. I feel like sometimes when I don’t get hits it’s because of my lack of careful observation. I probably definitely need to work on that department.
There is also the flip side to this whereby user report hits where there are none, example would be;
’ I went mall and this women walking towards me hit on me big time.’
I still find it hard to believe that someone walking from the opposite direction will pickup on mones before reaching you and react to them so quickly, my experience has shown that mones work best at close range and with time for them to take effect.
The other side is that if you good looking you will get hits anyway, so when you get young good looking guy reporting loads of hits and sex you have to ask if it was the mones or not!
What is needed is to find a difference to the norm.
Yeah im getting ALOT of dissapointing results these days. First year or two with Andrtoics, and i saw some amazing hits, and thats what converted me into a believer. These days though, i think my body has just adapted to synthetics too much. I actually am getting better responses without them…Dunno y this has happened? Maybe the older products r off…and anyway, if the argument: “mones r subtle, people r expecting too much”, then okay, valid argument, but then whats the point of wearing pheromones if they r so subtle that it hardly makes a difference? or, as happens to me on some occasions, compleley backfire like when O’diing? My other concern is when Androstenone does work, it is 1 nite stand fodder only, and usually results in a “buyers remorse” situation when i try to follow up. or Androsteone management…always carrying socials just incase they wear off and im left with raw -none and OD possibility.
Having said all this, i have had great and plentiful results with these products. They have just completely dried up the longer i have used them and way too many bad experiences atm using them that i cant really understand why.
The 1 product im totally a fan of is IFM…very memorable and powerful connections can be created.
mahalo sliver… Have you tried stopping mones? If so how long? I understand what you mean by ‘than what’s the point of wearing mones’ but like it say the mones do 10% of the work and its true! In fact one day at work I was ringin up this lataina milf(my fav) I didn’t really say anything to her until the end of her order… The sun hit my face through the windows and than I asked her ‘hey am I glowing?’ she laughed we talk alil more and bam! Got her number…did I mention she had a big ass wedding ring on?
yes i extremely agree pheros are going to be a waste of time if u have little or no knowledge in body language…hits are very easy to notice after that point… which later will help u pick out ur favorite products that give the most consistent results for u
Bingo! Last night my buddy and I watched a girl IOI a guy for close to an hour. Later when we asked him about it he looked confused. He didn’t think she was into him because she didn’t say anything "sexual".
lol life would be so much easier that way wouldnt it…
Ive met so many guys like that at the club, and whats worse is if u try to help them…they dont believe u most of the time, i think its an ego thing. most guys dont like to think that they dont know what there doing already.
I think the guys that get good are the ones that can admit to themselves that they need to learn social interactions with women, as with anything else in life that u seek to be good at.
knowledge + alot of blown sets = perfection ( ;
I wish u could just walk up to those guys and smack them and say
This is definitely the assumption to what pheros are “supposed” to do. You can’t just sit down at a barstool wearing 1-4 sprays of ____ and expect to have someone fall for you. Hits can be a lot of different things(and there is a pretty big sticky if you look up of IOI’s) and they can range from subtle things like a little smile to obvious hits like eye contact and she’s biting her lip. I had one instance where I was at Chipotle and the cashier couldn’t stop giggling and smiling at me when I was paying…you just have to pay attention
Actually there can be many reasons its not working for them. Not being able to read people is just one of them. Usually when I coach people I talk to them and get a feel for their personality, their expectations for pheromones and how they have been using them and sometimes even discuss the characteristic of the target person if the have one to get a better feel for the problem. Each person is different with a different set of hurdles they must get over. Your steps are right on the money but not knowing the steps is not the problem. The problem is they dont know how to do the steps. Its like handing someone a knife and telling them to go remove that kidney. They know the steps…Cut open… cut kidney… close back up. But if you dont teach them how to remove it they will fail.
LOL good point. I love that. When someone tells me “Oh my mix is working great”. I always ask "how do you know ? " I have heard things like “Today a bunch of guys in a car going by yelled out the window to me” Or " I was jogging and a guy running past me made eye contact and said how ya doing and then did a double take " That is not pheromones that is visual attraction. Pheromones can work fast and at a reasonable distance but not that fast LOL.
But my absolute favorite is
“My pheromones are not working” and then I find out they never left the house and they tell me “well my roommate or my mother didn’t react and I didn’t feel anything”
Getting out and looking for whats not your normal experience is key. If you never go out and are not quite sure whats normal then spend a week or two getting out and observing people before you use your mones.
Actually I have two or three detailed guides on this somewhere in the forum if your serious. Pheromones are not going to do you any good if you cant carry on a conversation or approach a person.
I see a lot of this and its happened to alot of long time users. I cant say for sure why in your case without going a little deeper but by what you wrote above the pheromones have not changed your goal has. I find when people start out using they do so with a purpose. Some people want to spice up a relationship and some just want to get laid more or meet more women. Some just want to be noticed. When you go into a stall you have to ask yourself is my goal the same as when I first started ? Are you using the same combos and mixes that worked for that original goal or have you been holding onto products that once worked and were your favorites but dont fit your needs anymore ? Is the ratio of combos I am using correct for my goal ?
To many people see all the combos being posted and go a little product crazy and slowly over time they drift away from the original intention or fail to notice their intention has changed. So they say, Well the products work a little but not as well as when I first started or they end up not working at all.
If your looking for a long term connection heavy anone products should not be on your list. Buyers remorse situations occur because you didn’t make that connection before you had sex. If your going anone heavy your screaming lets fuck not lets get to know each other and in today’s social scene there are plenty of women ready to answer the lets fuck call with no strings attached. Maybe its not the pheromone its the signal your choosing to send. Its just not the signal that fits your needs.
Its something to think about.
Another great point. Body language is so important. They should teach it in school. They never really teach you the important stuff in school, they just kinda throw you out there and let you flounder around until you figure it out. Some people never figure it out and need a life coach to help them. Maybe I should be glad they didn’t teach you everything in school. LOL
We communicate with all of our senses not just verbally. If you cant read and write it makes life harder. If you cant speak or understand the language everyone speaks it makes life harder and if you can not read body language it makes life harder. Pheromones are more effortless or that is what some peoples perception of them are when they first start out. People figure OK I just spray this on and my world will change. Nope takes more to change your world then spraying on some hormones. People dont want to hear you say you have to make a effort. They want magick but all magick is first created with effort.
I think what also happens is that the initial results with first time use of pheromones are so dramatic and incredible that users are totally shocked and overwhelmed. The new reactions from other people are so obvious and noticeable compared to the previous baseline without pheromones that it almost seems surreal at times and at an entirely new level. However, as time passes and these hits continue, there is a degree of diminishing returns compared to the previous uses of pheromones, and there is a perception that the effects are not as strong as they were originally. For example, if the first usage resulted in 10x stronger reactions than prior to the first usage, and a year later, the 300th usage is only 1.5x stronger than the 299th use, then it appears that they are less effective, but only because the frame of reference and perspective has shifted to the immediate rather than the overall (1st usage vs. 300th usage).
The first time I used pheromones, it was like a whole new world opened for me. People were so much more friendly, social, animated, and direct than before - it felt like some magic was at work A year later though, the hits were still noticeable and significant, but compared to the initial hits in the beginning, they weren’t AMAZING as often as they used to be. I had gotten used to seeing strong hits, and in some ways they became expected and normal. Fortunately, because I had learned to become more observant of IOIs, I still realized that they were having a great effect, and it became more of an effort to tailor the results and reactions than just to get strong reactions of any kind.
Ultimately, the most important goal should be to determine what works best for YOU, not what has worked for other people. As Tisha mentioned, people read the forum and find fantastic combinations of products that result in insane hits that they want for themselves. Because everyone is different and the conditions that produced the hits are unique, there’s no way to guarantee that the results can be reproduced. Even with MXes, not everyone gets the same results. Instead of building up from knowledge gained from testing what works for them, they rush out to try these new combinations expecting to see great hits and results. While some are able to work the mixes to their advantage, more often than not, others will end up with bad results and then blame the products rather than the method. It’s like working out at the gym - you use the routines that work best for you because your body and circumstances are different than others. If another gym member suggests this super duper workout routine that’s guaranteed to build tons of muscle, would you automatically jump into it and try it? If the member were a professional weight-lifter and was used to working with weights four times your maximum, would it make sense to try it because it works so well for him? Or if he suggested squats when you have bad knees? Find what works best for you and use it! Then after you’ve mastered that routine, move on to a new, more advanced one, and so on. The same applies to testing, using, and mastering pheromones - that’s how you can learn and improve your skills and really improve your life
dancing joker… Than why do so many ppl report here? is thisplacce not for reference?? I understand everone ids diff but you make it sound like you can’t take any results from here
A year later though, the hits were still noticeable and significant, but compared to the initial hits in the beginning, they weren’t AMAZING as often as they used to be. I had gotten used to seeing strong hits, and in some ways they became expected and normal. Fortunately, because I had learned to become more observant of IOIs, I still realized that they were having a great effect, and it became more of an effort to tailor the results and reactions than just to get strong reactions of any kind.