[quote=“jessejester”]
It’s not the IS that I had reservations about…it was the TUTH…That one I think is too much for a first date with a shy girl that the guy said he really likes…
I agree with River…Shine is always brilliant 
It just wasn’t in the mix Diamond had such success with, that’s the only reason I didn’t include it
dss, Hope I catch you before the date, if not, hope it went well.
As Xiphoid said, my ‘magic mix’ was 2 shots heavy ammo ( don’t forget I’m an old git), 3 x IH and 3 xIFM. That got me sexually assaulted by a Spanish woman whilst dancing with the wife!
Definitely add shine as a polish and I would suggest dropping the ammo to 1 or 2 shots as you thought. Loads of socials with just a hint of sex from the ammo. should work nicely now get out there and sell yourself!
before I start let me thank all you that give me advice so THANK YOU 
now it be nice to get your honest feed back about last night dont worry about hurting my feelings just say what you want.
so the story goes as :
okay like when I met up with her she give me a hug and ill give her the flowers I got her (tulips her fav) and she gives me another hug and we get in car to go eat.
I made her smile all through out the night and in car she was facing me for the most part like sitting side ways… I saw her playing with her figures at movie and playing with her hair at end of night but when we w in a movie she didn’t really made physical contact even when I tried but she said she was cold so I kind put my arms around her and I could tell it was a tad odd to her… I mean she said I was sweet and all about 6 times that night but ya I don’t know and at end of the night she give me a hug and step away like shes getting in her car so didn’t have a chance to even kiss her.
she said she wants to get know me and all but the stuff I told you says something else to me.
not sure if its because of the fact that she hasn’t dated in long time or its because she only had two boyfriends ever or because shes a virgin (didn’t know that)
I really like her I mean god my mouth drop when I saw her and I want this to work and ya its just hard as hell because ya 
I haven’t been able to stop thinking about it since I drop her off by her car. and she said ill talk to you later not ya ill see you later or something.
sorry I was just thinking and writing. but looking forward to see your feed backs and maybe next steps.
my reply is why i am totally useless to the mens forum.
you guys are all so skilled in figuring out what moves to make and when.
things are executed precisely and there is this game that goes back and forth.
i think its cool,
but after reading your post,
all i could think of to say was
why doesnt anyone just ask where the target’s head is at?
id die if i were to wait to see how someone felt about me!
unfortunately dss,
girls are so freaking silly that even though she wasnt giving lovey dovey signals (and i totally agree that she was NOT)
alot of all that definately could be that she is still really unsure in her sexuality.
think about it,
when your a virgin how do you know how to take any signals and then respond to them appropriatly?
and-
say she really digs you-
i imagine her head might have been full all night with “what do i do now that i know i like him that way”
see, i am soooo unskilled with any games.
im used to straight-up saying
i like you,
your hot
life is short.
im looking forward to everyones answers here because i really wouldnt know what to do with this situation either :o its unique.
I know its really hard and the one girl I truly like and I can see my self with acts like that …I am at work and people are talking to me but all is going through my head is what is she thinking about and what I should do next.
I told her last night that I don’t play games at all and if I say something I mean it and all she said was its good to know or its goo to know for futre that was her response to most of the facts I told her about me.
OK, to my mind it would go something like this.
Playing with her figure = making sure she is showing herself to you as best she can, sort of like a guy sucking in the beer gut when he sees a girl looking at him.
Playing with her hair can mean either she is distracted and her mind is elsewhere OR, it’s a classic IOI
Like Lor said, virgin, nervous, doesn’t know how to react. Next time round, take the lead a little. Don’t rush her but, if you’ve seen the movie Hitch, you’ll know what I mean about going in for the kiss but letting her come the last 10%. I tell you, if she’s into you, she’ll let you know after that.
Finally, you’re 21, it took me till my early thirties to realise that us guys will never, ever understand the female brain. We can get useful insights but we will never understand them. If you want to know her thoughts, ask her, she might be at home getting stressed because you didn’t try it on in the cinema, equally she might not be into you.
What would you rather have, a girl that’ll jump you on the first date or one that takes a bit of effort. There is no right or wrong answer.
well I guess I am so use to having girls jump on me the first day we meet and so now I guess I feel like I got rejected and I hate not knowing what goes through her head …as you said I ask her what she was thinking about and she said she was just taken all the information / facts in and I ask her a direct question as what she thinks about me and her respond was I like you but I need to get know you better. I guess shes holding back with feelings if there are any and showing motions.
I still want see more feed back maybe I can put something together after today and I am not sure if I should contact her or anything because shes going to be alone tonight and for V day and I don’t think its right but than I don’t want push anything too much …
Sounds like you’ve got the interest of a nice girl who isn’t looking for a ONS. If she hasn’t rung you, give it a day or two then ring and ask her if she would like to go out for another date. Might be a good idea to read some of the PUA threads beforehand to get an idea of how to play it.
You weren’t rejected, as shown by the fact that she needs to get to know you better.
Keep your chin up, I reckon you’ve got a good chance with this one 
2 friends together for V day, thats not a bad idea…
see,your in love dude.
the fact that she didnt jump on you means shes a keeper…
it matters to her what you think, whether she’s thinking friends or more.
and-
if she jumped on everyone, she wouldnt BE a virgin,right???
if you like her but not that much,
you can take any and all advice.
but
if you like her and like you said, “can see yourself with her”
then friends come before lovers.
i think you two should hang out for Vday.
Thanks diamond
I might text her later on today to say I enjoyed are time together last night and hope we can do it again soon.
that way I can see what her response is if any at all … this could make a great weekend or a shitty one.
bad idea?
Trust me I like this girl …I mean shes everything I want that simple. no games just good O sean.
Now see, i usually agree with your advice Lor, but here i’m going to have to quibble with you. I 100% completely agree that friends come before lovers in any strong, lasting relationship that i’ve had. I’m with ya there. But as to the v-day advice, not so sure about that…
I see that as giving off two seperate vibes. V-day is a holiday meant to spend with your sweetie or with “just friends”… or getting a booty call, but that one’s right out with this girl. If you push for the romantic date on v-day, i could see her feeling rushed, especially as she mentioned wanting to get to know you better. If you do a “just friends” date on a romantic holiday, theres always the chance you’re gonna get stuck in that category and never make your way back out.
I’ve spent v-days with female friends before when i wasnt dating anyone and it was a BLAST, but had no attraction component to it at all. Just friends hanging out on National Singles Day. Not sure that’s the vibe you’re going for either.
Then again, here could be a plan for you… call her up tomorrow afternoon (if she doesnt call you first) and ask her if she’d care to go out again. If she suggests v-day, then run with it. If she leaves it in your court, then try to schedule a date a bit later. And maybe think about something where you could actually talk and get to know each other. Bowling, walking in a park, just getting a cup of coffee, sky-diving… wait, how’d that one get in there? That way she’ll get to know you and feel safer if she has feelings developing for you.
But thats just my 2 cents. 
last thing I want do is to rush her because from past experience girls get freak out when that happens and the completely shut them self down.
I am going to feel bad for her being alone tonight and tom night …
Think about it this way, DSS… she’s been alone for the past.. how many nights since her last boyfriend? I don’t think it’ll phase her for a few more, especially at the cost of her feeling rushed into this. Slow and steady, my good man, slow and steady. Be the tortoise! Well, a sexy tortoise. Be the sexy tortoise!
ya I just have to suck it up and control all the emotions and stuff.
take your 2 cents and…
a gals view
is that it sucks to be alone on Vday.
its better to be with a friend,
then to sit around thinking “wow, this is a day people are paired up.
its like im at a dance and its better to be dancing than to watch other people dance.”
im not speaking for all women,
just all the women i have ever spoke to in my particular lifetime
it be nice to get women point of view
And lick it? That’s just generally unhygienic, Lor…
I agree, but that’s what girl friends are for! Every single girl i know has about 2-3 other single friends who actually LOVE going out on v-day and making it a girls night out. Go rent a movie, get some red wine and chocolate, and completely rag on the male gender in general. It’s bonding time!
And the view from a guy who can (to some degree) think like a woman…
PUA advice would be to keep her dangling for a day or two then ring and say I’m gonna be at such and such a place, you are welcome to join me.
However, it is Valentines, sometimes it is good for a guy to show he can have feelings and sensitivity. Sorry MFG but on balance, I’d go with Lor on this one.
If she hasn’t rung you by tonight, give her a call, leaving it till tomorrow afternoon means she won’t have the required 8 hours to get ready and she’ll get stressed about her hair, makeup, which knickers to wear ( do I wear the black lacy ones, oh no, then he’ll think I’m expecting to get laid but then, what if I wear the big applecatchers and we get it on, how embarrassing… No, don’t deny it ladies!)
the truth is,dss, if we really have a thing for you,
you cant screw up.
that is the truth.
think about what women put up with from JERKS they love,
and here you are…
this romantic awesome guy…
i wouldnt sweat it.
anything you do will be ok if she likes you.