Surprising first date

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I went on a sort of blind date on Saturday - but I knew she was hot cause she does part time modeling / cat walking. She’s Asian (and so am I) so I did not put on any androstenone, here was my mix for the night:

2 sprays of shine on my chest so that I can be interesting.
1 spray of instant openness on my chest so I can be talkative but not too much.
2 sprays of instant honesty on the back of my neck so that I can feel comfortable talking to her too.
2 sprays of instant honesty on my ankles (it was one of those traditional Japanese dining places where u take off your shoes and rest your feet near your partner’s).
2 sprays of instant openness on my wrists.
4 sprays of instant honesty on my wrists.
2 sprays of P97 on my wrists.

So all up that’s for me: 2xShine, 1xOpenness, 2xHonesty and for her: 6xHonesty, 2xOpenness and 2xP97.

All I want to say is the date was amazing, when we first met up, her facial expression looked like she was uninterested and wanted to go home. But after about 20-30 minutes the pheromones took effect and she could not stop talking, we talked and flirted non-stop for 6 whole hours and she said it’s the first time she’s met a guy for the first time and feel this comfortable talking (likewise I have never been able to talk like this with any single person, guy or girl).

After the dinner she walked reaaaally close, she was constantly rubbing herself against me. We didn’t hold hands or anything. You guys must think I’m stupid which is quite true, I’m not very good with this relationship stuff, I’m 25 but haven’t had much experience… But to avoid falling into the “just friends” basket I will need to make a move next time. I will be seeing her again this weekend for a movie, I was thinking of using two sprays of instant female magic to help, and when I see her offer my hand and expect her to take it? But generally how should I approach this thing?

[galydrum]

If you’re Asian, don’t be afraid of the -none. Asian men apparently produce lower amounts of it. So a bit of Ammo isn’t going to hurt you. I’m Asian as well, and one of my first hits was from an Asian girl after I’d fairly doused myself with Ammo (maybe 5 shots).

BAM! Instant DIHL.

[perronec]

Great to hear your date went so well!

just a few things i’d like to note.

1. I looks like you joined the forum a while back, but didn’t make too many reports. thats fine, but in the case that you haven’t tried any of these products by themselves, i would highly highly highly recommend it. you’ll be able to mix them to gether more effectively more consistently.

2. you can’t separate which pheromones are for you and which ones are for others. They are airborne thus they affect everyone. you can only really judge by the strength of the rxn. even if you put it on your ankles, you’ll still be affected a little. additionally the back of the neck will also cut down on your personal reactions. so unless you are afraid of telling to much truth i would suggest keeping it to the front or sides of the neck.

so your mix was essentially:

Instant shine x2
IO x 3(1 to chest 2 to wrists)
IH x 8(neck2, ankles2, wrists 4)
p97 x 2

3. when you say you sprayed to the chest, do you mean under your clothing?

4. what affect if any do you think the p97 had?

5. The mix was obviously at work for you here, there is no doubt about that. however the only reaction i see here is very instant honesty like. not surprising due to the huge dose of it you had. The IO and IS may have been helping you too, especially at the beginning to get things rolling.

If i were to retool this mix a bit for the next time you go out with this girl it would look like this:

IS x 1
IO x 3
IH x 4
ammo x 1-1.5(if you have some basic chemset -none, i would put on 2.5-5mcgs of that instead)
touching x 10000000(you need to start playfully touching. this will do more than any pheromone could ever do for you.

good report!

@Standard

I went on a sort of blind date on Saturday - but I knew she was hot cause she does part time modeling / cat walking. She’s Asian (and so am I) so I did not put on any androstenone, here was my mix for the night:

2 sprays of shine on my chest so that I can be interesting.
1 spray of instant openness on my chest so I can be talkative but not too much.
2 sprays of instant honesty on the back of my neck so that I can feel comfortable talking to her too.
2 sprays of instant honesty on my ankles (it was one of those traditional Japanese dining places where u take off your shoes and rest your feet near your partner’s).
2 sprays of instant openness on my wrists.
4 sprays of instant honesty on my wrists.
2 sprays of P97 on my wrists.

So all up that’s for me: 2xShine, 1xOpenness, 2xHonesty and for her: 6xHonesty, 2xOpenness and 2xP97.

All I want to say is the date was amazing, when we first met up, her facial expression looked like she was uninterested and wanted to go home. But after about 20-30 minutes the pheromones took effect and she could not stop talking, we talked and flirted non-stop for 6 whole hours and she said it’s the first time she’s met a guy for the first time and feel this comfortable talking (likewise I have never been able to talk like this with any single person, guy or girl).

After the dinner she walked reaaaally close, she was constantly rubbing herself against me. We didn’t hold hands or anything. You guys must think I’m stupid which is quite true, I’m not very good with this relationship stuff, I’m 25 but haven’t had much experience… But to avoid falling into the “just friends” basket I will need to make a move next time. I will be seeing her again this weekend for a movie, I was thinking of using two sprays of instant female magic to help, and when I see her offer my hand and expect her to take it? But generally how should I approach this thing?

[yogalefty]

@perronec

Great to hear your date went so well!

just a few things i’d like to note.

1. I looks like you joined the forum a while back, but didn’t make too many reports. thats fine, but in the case that you haven’t tried any of these products by themselves, i would highly highly highly recommend it. you’ll be able to mix them to gether more effectively more consistently.

2. you can’t separate which pheromones are for you and which ones are for others. They are airborne thus they affect everyone. you can only really judge by the strength of the rxn. even if you put it on your ankles, you’ll still be affected a little. additionally the back of the neck will also cut down on your personal reactions. so unless you are afraid of telling to much truth i would suggest keeping it to the front or sides of the neck.

so your mix was essentially:

Instant shine x2
IO x 3(1 to chest 2 to wrists)
IH x 8(neck2, ankles2, wrists 4)
p97 x 2

3. when you say you sprayed to the chest, do you mean under your clothing?

4. what affect if any do you think the p97 had?

5. The mix was obviously at work for you here, there is no doubt about that. however the only reaction i see here is very instant honesty like. not surprising due to the huge dose of it you had. The IO and IS may have been helping you too, especially at the beginning to get things rolling.

If i were to retool this mix a bit for the next time you go out with this girl it would look like this:

IS x 1
IO x 3
IH x 4
ammo x 1-1.5(if you have some basic chemset -none, i would put on 2.5-5mcgs of that instead)
touching x 10000000(you need to start playfully touching. this will do more than any pheromone could ever do for you.

good report!

Couldn’t have said it better myself. Don’t be discouraged if she doesn’t grab your hand at first or something similar to that. She may be testing you, just play it off unaffected, stay flirtatious. With the chemistry you two seem to have, the ammo could set the date much better than the female magic. Good luck keep the posts coming!

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Thanks for such a detailed reply! In response to some of your questions…

@perronec

3. when you say you sprayed to the chest, do you mean under your clothing?

Yes, under my t-shirt, so only I can smell it.

@perronec

4. what affect if any do you think the p97 had?

Um, from what I understand, it intensifies / lengthens the effect?

@perronec

If i were to retool this mix a bit for the next time you go out with this girl it would look like this:

IS x 1
IO x 3
IH x 4
ammo x 1-1.5(if you have some basic chemset -none, i would put on 2.5-5mcgs of that instead)

So no instant female magic? I admit it does make me a bit depressed, but putting more IS on my chest and few sprays of IFM on my wrists should balance it out, or should it?

@perronec

touching x 10000000(you need to start playfully touching. this will do more than any pheromone could ever do for you.

Can you define playful touching? I was thinking just to offer a hand of friendship when I see her and see if she takes it.

@perronec

good report!

Thanks!

[dhh]

Look for IOIs and if they are present, see how far you can take it. Touch her hand, arms, shoulders, back, etc. and gauge the reaction. If she pulls away it doesn’t mean she doesnt like you. It means she isnt ready for it yet so don’t be discouraged.

A good time to try it is when you guys are walking close to each other or maybe when you open the car door for her to get out, offer her your hand.

However, don’t get too touchy because then you’ll seem desperate.

How did you guys end the date last time? Hand shake? Hug?

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@perronec

IS x 1
Instant Openness x 3
Instant Honesty x 4
ammo x 1-1.5(if you have some basic chemset -none, i would put on 2.5-5mcgs of that instead)
touching x 10000000(you need to start playfully touching. this will do more than any pheromone could ever do for you.

On the second date I was SICK but I really wanted to see her so I didn’t cancel it, but I felt shocking the whole day. I followed your advice on the mix with slight differences:

Instant Shine x 2
Instant Openness x 3
Instant Honesty x 4
ammo x 2

@dhh

Look for IOIs and if they are present, see how far you can take it. Touch her hand, arms, shoulders, back, etc. and gauge the reaction. If she pulls away it doesn’t mean she doesnt like you. It means she isnt ready for it yet so don’t be discouraged.

We went to see a movie and had a lot of playful touching, I first touched her arms which she pulled back so I didn’t try again. But very soon after she started edging herself towards me so I again put my hands on her arms and she didn’t back off. Throughout the second half of the movie it was like a cat and mouse game, she’d offer me her arm and I hold it for awhile and then she’d remove it, then I offer my arm and she holds it but then lets go. Not too sure what was happening here.

After the movie, as I escorted her out, i put my arms around her waist and she didn’t mind at all, but again she’d move out from my hold from time to time but always comes back.

I still couldn’t find the right moment to hold her hands though. But one thing I know for sure is that she knows I like her in a way that is more than just friends and that she wants to see me again. I am seeing her again on NYE, any ideas?

[catlord17]

I’d say you’re definitely making progress, but you may have gone a bit high for this girl’s taste with 2 sprays ammo. That might make her feel like things are moving too fast. Try holding that last mix, except for doubling or tripling the instant shine next time, and try adding some TAL at around 5 mcg. That should make her feel decidedly more good and want to be physically closer, while making her more comfortable acting on her desires. If you don’t have TAL, a little more IH might do it, but too much and you’ll be bombing yourself. If you have it, a spray or two of IFM might help also, as long as you cover it well.

Once she seems comfortable with touching, start reducing the buffering agents and leaving the ammo more “exposed” by itself.

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@catlord17

I’d say you’re definitely making progress, but you may have gone a bit high for this girl’s taste with 2 sprays ammo. That might make her feel like things are moving too fast. Try holding that last mix, except for doubling or tripling the instant shine next time, and try adding some TAL at around 5 mcg. That should make her feel decidedly more good and want to be physically closer, while making her more comfortable acting on her desires. If you don’t have TAL, a little more IH might do it, but too much and you’ll be bombing yourself. If you have it, a spray or two of IFM might help also, as long as you cover it well.

Damn I don’t have TAL and don’t think I can get it in time. Is there anything I can replace that with?

[jankren]

@galydrum

If you’re Asian, don’t be afraid of the -none. Asian men apparently produce lower amounts of it.

If that is true then Im sure 1 spray of Ammo is already overkill for black men. LOLOLOL

Thanks though Im an Asian myself and Im planning to get an Ammo. I guess now I need to get the 2x strength.

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@catlord17

I’d say you’re definitely making progress, but you may have gone a bit high for this girl’s taste with 2 sprays ammo. That might make her feel like things are moving too fast. Try holding that last mix, except for doubling or tripling the instant shine next time, and try adding some TAL at around 5 mcg. That should make her feel decidedly more good and want to be physically closer, while making her more comfortable acting on her desires. If you don’t have TAL, a little more IH might do it, but too much and you’ll be bombing yourself. If you have it, a spray or two of IFM might help also, as long as you cover it well.

Ok, I replaced TAL with Instant Honesty, my mix was:

1 x ammo
6 x instant honesty
4 x instant shine
2 x instant openness

I met her at her apartment where I hugged her and talked a bit while she put on make up. The conversation was good and flowed like it always has, then it went downhill when she asked “do you want to know a secret?” I said yes and she informed me she was actually 5 years older than me, she apologized for lying about her age because she said if she had told me earlier then I would not have asked her out.

Okay at this point in time I was a bit overwhelmed, while driving to the restaurant it was dead silence in the car and I was re-assessing about what I want. When we arrived at the restaurant, we got out of the car and I told her that I don’t care, she’s still the same girl that I liked three dates ago. She didn’t respond. As we walked to the restaurant entrance I put my arms around her and she quickly broke free - and I was puzzled - wasn’t she ok with me touching and hugging her before?

During the dinner she was a bit moody and wasn’t very interested in talking. After the dinner it was cold outside so I gave her my jacket which cheered her up a bit and we started talking again. When I drove her to her apartment she insisted that I should drive her to somewhere nice because she wants to talk more and listen to music in the car. I suggested the docks and she liked that idea. On the way she asked me about my ex-gf’s and before we got to our destination it went downhill again when she suddenly said “I want to keep you just as a friend.”

For the rest of the night it was pretty much silence, again I was re-assessing whether I am comfortable settling for “just friends”. In the end I told her that being just friends is not good enough for me and that we should go separate ways. She said I am too serious about this and that I should be flexible and just go with the flow, she thinks I am great, funny, confident and when I’m around her she feels comfortable and relaxed, almost like I’m her stress relief. On the other side she said I am naive and a bit feminine. She also rephrased and said “I want to be more than just friends, but at the same time less than a relationship”. She asked me to stay the night which I did.

The next day she asked me a lot of beauty questions like “am I pretty without makeup” and “does <this> and <that> look good on me”.

@catlord17

Once she seems comfortable with touching, start reducing the buffering agents and leaving the ammo more “exposed” by itself.

What puzzles me is after I told her being friends is not good enough for me, touching from her side has noticeably increased while on my side it has been pretty stale since the night before. It’s like she doesn’t know what she wants…

Before I left she asked me what are my plans for next week, I said I haven’t thought that far yet and I will call her when I know. What should I do now? Stall? Wait for her to come to me?

[skeeter]

What puzzles me is after I told her being friends is not good enough for me, touching from her side has noticeably increased while on my side it has been pretty stale since the night before. Before I left she asked me what are my plans for next week, I said I haven’t thought that far yet and I will call her when I know.

What should I do now? Stall?

I would play it cool for a while and I bet she calls you sometime this week. But don’t jump through her hoops and try not to put “conditions” on the relationship as it sounds a bit needy.

When she calls, treat HER like the friend but be nice. If she calls I am sure she is wanting to see you again.

[catlord17]

wow, this girl sounds like she’s all over the map. What I would do is if you ever go out with her again, just wear Ammo. I’d start off with one shot to my wrists. Then if she’s responding well in about 45 minutes, add another shot… and after another hour or two, if she’s responding positively and the effect is ramping up with the pheromones, add one more. 2 shots of ammo is good stuff, though, with most women, I have found.

Then again, perhaps someone with more asian experience would be better to give you advice on this one.

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@catlord17

wow, this girl sounds like she’s all over the map. What I would do is if you ever go out with her again, just wear Ammo. I’d start off with one shot to my wrists. Then if she’s responding well in about 45 minutes, add another shot… and after another hour or two, if she’s responding positively and the effect is ramping up with the pheromones, add one more. 2 shots of ammo is good stuff, though, with most women, I have found.

Then again, perhaps someone with more asian experience would be better to give you advice on this one.

Since the two things she complained about me were:

• A bit feminine
• Naive

Do you think it’s would be a good idea to also wear 2 drops of A314 to offset the femininity and 2 sprays of instant gentleman to offset the naivety? Possibly another 3 sprays of P83 because according to https://pheromonetalk.com/t/perronecs-research-aka-what-works-best-on-asian-girls/22911 it works well with Ammo on asians.

Also, according to https://pheromonetalk.com/t/taa-tal-taf-tah-questions/10193 TAL makes guys appear feminine, correct me if I’m wrong but since Instant Honesty is very similar to TAL. I have a feeling my OD on instant honesty could have created that femininity aura, should I replace that with instant female magic next time?

[galydrum]

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Since the two things she complained about me were:

• A bit feminine
• Naive

Do you think it’s would be a good idea to also wear 2 drops of A314 to offset the femininity and 2 sprays of instant gentleman to offset the naivety? Possibly another 3 sprays of P83 because according to https://pheromonetalk.com/t/perronecs-research-aka-what-works-best-on-asian-girls/22911 it works well with Ammo on asians.

Also, according to https://pheromonetalk.com/t/taa-tal-taf-tah-questions/10193 TAL makes guys appear feminine, correct me if I’m wrong but since Instant Honesty is very similar to TAL. I have a feeling my OD on instant honesty could have created that femininity aura, should I replace that with instant female magic next time?

How about . . . don’t act feminine or naive. Hehe.

Actually, A314 and -none or -rone in general might help with the feminine part. Also, try adjusting your behavior:

Wear more masculine clothing, perhaps (darker and more muted colors).

Be more assertive (without being a jerk) and less tentative–when you make a decision, be definite about it and go for it.

Related to that is the way you project your voice. Be confident about what you’re saying. Take a lesson from Daniel Craig’s James Bond–he’s who first popped into my head when I thought “masculinity.” Hugh Jackman is good too though, now that I think of it.

Take the lead with her–you decide where to go, what to do, etc. Don’t wait for her to pull you around.

Wear a nice deep woody cologne. Try Cartier Declaration Essence or Armani Code.

You’ll want to do this in stages, probably. If you totally reinvent yourself overnight you might freak her out. Not sure about naivete. That isn’t an aura. It’s defined by actions and how you interpret situations. I guess it would help a lot if we knew what exactly she thought was feminine or naive about you.

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@galydrum

I guess it would help a lot if we knew what exactly she thought was feminine or naive about you.

I asked about those actually. For femininity she said she first thought I was feminine when I played a love song on the piano for her. Likewise for naivety she couldn’t come up with any examples and said “it’s only a feeling”.

Both were “feelings” without solid examples which makes me think it’s pheromone related.

@galydrum

Wear more masculine clothing, perhaps (darker and more muted colors).

Hmm I only wear dark clothes, I wear mostly g-star but she says I should wear cK which I think is more feminine???

@galydrum

Wear a nice deep woody cologne. Try Cartier Declaration Essence or Armani Code.

Hmm yeah she did complain about the smell of the pheromones I’ve been putting on, she asked me what I was wearing and I bluffed myself out of that saying it’s some generic thing, and she said I should wear proper stuff coz it smells a bit like piss lol.

[galydrum]

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I asked about those actually. For femininity she said she first thought I was feminine when I played a love song on the piano for her. Likewise for naivety she couldn’t come up with any examples and said “it’s only a feeling”.

Both were “feelings” without solid examples which makes me think it’s pheromone related.

Which song was it?

[Standard]

@galydrum

Which song was it?

First Love by Utada Hikaru

What difference would the song make?

[zeph]

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First Love by Utada Hikaru

What difference would the song make?

There’s that kind of love song and there’s stuff like Hawthorne Heights - Ohio is for lovers, 2pac - Unconditional love, Jay Z - Song Cry, Yellowcard - Dear bobbie, Fallout Boy - Where is your boy tonight?, The Fray - She is, Kc and Jojo - all my life, etc. All are love songs, but some can be construed as more feminine than others.

[galydrum]

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First Love by Utada Hikaru

What difference would the song make?

I was just curious. Okay. Until you two are like an “official” item, I’d recommend staying away from the love song dedications. Other than that . . . just stay cool and don’t be try-hard.

EDIT: I’m not familiar with that song, but Zeph is right (see above). Some songs are less masculine than others. For instance, there are two versions of “When you say nothing at all.” One is sung by a girl, and it’s really sweet. The other is sung by Randy Travis, who is one of the most masculine men in country music, and it just sounds WRONG.