The Charm of Instant Honesty (2X) and Also, a WARNING!

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For those of you who don’t know from reading my past posts, I have been after this one girl for quite some time now. She’s a VERY good girl (and not the type that may be bad behind closed doors), almost too nice, and very naive. She is in a relationship right now, with a guy who is her first boyfriend. They have been dating for a bit more than five months now. I TRULY think I am better for her than he (then again, who doesn’t think that way who’s in a similar situation), and I’m just overall better looking, better personality, more warm, funnier, more entertaining, more charming, more romantic, AND have done more for her (but trust me, guys, I am NOT in the friend’s zone, and hopefully won’t ever be as long as I am trying to go after her).

ANYWAYS, I used to wear:
1 drop A314(rubbed on wrists, spread to behind ears)
2 sprays IH TO-GO(on cranks of arms)
1 spray IS4X(on top of head)

At first, she was all flirty and cutesy to me, until her boyfriend messaged me on Facebook. He threatened me telling me to ‘stop flirting w/ his girlfriend, or he’ll make me.’ I told him to come see me, the kid is 50 lbs lighter than me, shouldn’t be a problem. He never responded. It didn’t get awkward between the girl and me, but I slowed down the flirting, so coincidentally, so did she.

I was VERY unhappy about our relationship. JUST FRIENDS it looked like it was going to be. She was still very smiley, laughing at everything I say, but it lacked that flirty feeling. So, I posted a thread on this forum, and said I wanted her to get a sexual vibe from me that said “I DON’T WANNA BE JUST FRIENDS” from me. After talking to a couple of guys on this forum, I changed my mix to:
1 drop A314 (applied the same)
2 sprays IH 2X (applied the same way I applied 1X)
1 spray Ammo (on neck)
2 sprays IFM (back of neck)
1 spray IS 4X (top of head)
She seemed to me VERY uneasy around me, but not like she didn’t want to be around me, b/c she would just walk up to me w/o saying anything sometimes b/c I feel SHE DID want to be around me, she just seemed nervous. Whenever I even MENTIONED another girl’s name, she looked uneasy.

This past Wednesday, I went home right before my club’s event (I’m president, she’s secretary) just so I could get some “stuff” (reapply pheros.) At first, it seemed like she didn’t want to be there, and frankly, neither did I. She told me she HAD to leave before it ended (it was 3-6).

Make a long story short, she told me her ENTIRE life experience w/ other guys, she kept hitting me, and at the end of the event, we were helping pack our advisor’s car and she was like chasing me, and I chased her. I drove her home. She was touching me A LOT (like, her knee was up against mine, she’d hit me a couple of times, she was looking at something and would put her head on my shoulder, etc.)

That night, I went on Facebook (haha you can probably see social networking has taken over my life) and, like usual, she was chatting w/ me before I start chatting w/ her!

That night, I got a mutual friend to message her telling her that “John didn’t want me to tell u this, but I’m going to anyways. He REALLY likes you, but he respects you have a boyfriend, and doesn’t want you to break up w/ him cuz u seem happy. But, after further questioning he told me that if you should interest in him and u did lose the boyfriend, he would make his move.”

IDK if that was a good move, but I’ve been patient for WAY too long (3 months to wait for a girl at the tender age of 18? Not worth it in my book) Unfortunately, she goes on Facebook twice a week, tops. So, still waiting a reply.

Point of this thread is, we were EXTREMELY honest to each other (except I didn’t say I liked her) and I told her that I wasn’t crazy about some of her friends, and she wasn’t defensive about it at all! She actually said she understood where I was coming from!

The warning: WEAR A SEXUAL PHEROMONE w/ SOCIAL PHEROMONES IF GOING AFTER A GIRL!
The friend zone is DEATH to any potential relationship, so I killed that chance with the Ammo IMO. She’s not a girl that would make any sexual advances, and probably wouldn’t accept any, which is why she probably felt uncomfortable, but I think she got the vibe that ‘this kid won’t let me JUST BE FRIENDS with him, yet I STILL see myself drawn towards him!’

Thoughts?

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Well, I really can’t comment all that well on your situation because I haven’t read any of your past threads. However, if she really liked you don’t you think she would’ve gone for you a long time ago? I mean, if she’s beating around the bush and maybe does like you, then why is she still with this kid? Doesn’t make any sense, she should just go straight to you if she does have feelings for you. However, she hasn’t. So I don’t know how she really feels about you. All I got to say is show respect. I know you may not like this kid, but what about if you were in his shoes?

Try dating/going out with another girl as a test, and if your friend shows jealousy then maybe that will show you that she does have feelings for you. If she doesn’t show any, then I guess maybe she doesn’t.

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If you’re 12 it was a good move, otherwise…:roll_eyes:

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LOL. Well, when you’re out of bullets you have to at least come down swinging. :stuck_out_tongue:

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HAHA this girl will be loyal to the death. Even if she liked me more, I doubt she would dump her BF b/c she’s afraid of ‘how it may look to her.’

Also, it wasn’t really going down fighting w/o any bullets left. I do think I’m “next in line” for her. I also think that she likes the idea of having a boyfriend, but doesn’t know I like her (like I said, she is naive and oblivious. Everyone else in my class KNOWS I like her, I don’t think she does). I’m not worried about the message, because I think it’s going to be more favorable than not, but I DOUBT she dumps her BF straightaway for me. It was more of a “just to let you know, John likes you” kind of thing. I even made sure my friend told her that “John doesn’t want you to feel divided between them two. He doesn’t want you to dump your BF unless it’s completely on your own accord.” (Sophistry at its finest)

But, I’ll let you guys know how it goes!

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Hm, why didn’t you just tell her yourself? I know you’re scared that maybe it’ll not work in your favor, but you also have to let her know. You don’t want to be like that guy from Sixteen Candles! It’s good that she’s faithful, although not good for you but we need more girls like that.

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Good point, but I think her loyalty is because he’s her first boyfriend and she doesn’t want to lose him.

I’m hoping that MAYBE she sees I like her and that I would date her, so she dumps him for me. On her own accord, of course.

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I don’t know man, tough predicament you’re in. So are you trying to say that in a way maybe she really doesn’t love him? And that maybe she just won’t dump him because she’s her first BF and is scared of what will happen if he leaves her or vice versa? Hm, I don’t know…

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Not that she’s scared. I think she’s comfortable dating that kid. He’s apparently a REALLY nice guy, but from what I heard, he’s just COMPLETELY boring, and safe.

That’s DEFINITELY not me.

So my friend allowed me to go onto her FB, and the girl replied:

“thanks. do you think there is anything i can do?”

i GUESS i could pose as the girl. but, i just dont know how to reply to that question with it sounding favorable to me w/o tellin her ‘DUMP UR BF.’

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Hm, I wonder what she means by that. Dude, just go for broke. Or tell her to ask her how she really feels about you and if she’d ever consider you as BF material. Just straight forward, especially now that she replied with that interesting message.

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IDK man. I’m seriously stumped. My friend thinks I should just ask her to talk to me, but that would make her look bad.

NO idea what to say.

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Also, I’m afraid of awkwardness b/c we are on the same team in an hour and a half class, and are forced to work w/ each other inside and out of class.

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IDK, if I were you, I’d give it sometime. But, not too much.

Hey, you never know, you may grow to like him. And we’re 18, it’s not like we are going to MARRY our boyfriends!

Just think about who you have more fun being around, Luke or John, and just whose more boyfriend material. Don’t act impulsively, think about it for a week or two.

If you do like John, I’m not saying dump Luke, but take John aside and talk about it. A good time to do it would be during our DANCE PARTY over break (John told me that he filled you in). Taylor and I already know that he likes you, so it shouldn’t be too awkward.

What you DON’T want to do, is wait until your relationship with Luke is over (hey, high school relationships don’t last forever) and then expect John to be available. I feel like is patience is kind of running short, but, of course, I could be wrong.

Also, I wouldn’t mention this to your friends. After that messaging incident with Luke, I was VERY surprised to see him keep his cool towards Lizzie. If anything were to slip, I couldn’t promise that he’d keep his cool next time.

Hope I could help,
Hershey lol

That’s the message she and I wrote. What do you guys think?

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lakerman34, thanks for sharing your story. I have a couple of thoughts about your situation. 1) Dating is not engaged; dating is not married. Most of the girls I know (especially college age) go from one relationship directly in to another. Sucks to be on the losing end of that deal, but that just seems to be how it works. Point is: I think you’re way to worried about this other guy. You don’t owe him anything, and unless she’s made some commitment to him, she doesn’t either, other than her honesty. So I don’t think you need to worry about damaging their relationship.

  1. The indirect move you took on Facebook is fine, but it seems to me, that the only reason to go that route was if you were worried about damaging your friendship. But since you’ve said yourself that you want to stay out of the friend zone this seems like a non-issue. As others have said, I think you should tell her how you feel directly. You come off as stronger and more honest that way. Plus, from the way you describe her and the situation, it sounds like she does have feelings for you, but is scared to disrupt things. So disrupt them for her…make your feelings known so that ignoring them is no longer the path of least resistance.

Just my two cents, I look forward to hearing how the situation works out for you.

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If I were you, I’d would talk to her in person. You have to take charge. Gather your courage and give it your all. Life is too short to be waiting around. If she accepts then you’re golden. If she doesn’t then maybe you can try again another time. But until that time you have to MOVE ON. Life is too short to spend it waiting around for one girl. She might seem perfect for you now, but you won’t know if there is anyone better unless you are willing to look.

She definitely likes you and like apronikoff said, you dont owe her bf anything. It sounds like he’s a jerk to you. Stop being so nice. Assert your alphaness. Eat or be eaten.

I think you mentioned this in your FB msg. That’s good but I’m not a big fan of internet or texts to discuss important issues such as this. She might assume you are uncomfortable talking to her about this issue or that you dont have the courage. You are posing as your friend on FB to influence her. Meanwhile she is thinking that you are oblivious to what’s happening. Don’t you want to be the one in charge?

Lastly, you have to realize that its not a decision between you or Luke. She will always have other choices like a third person or even no one.

Anyway. If you want it, take it. Otherwise, you’ll be left with nothing. Don’t be boring and safe. Take some risks. I know you can do it man. Good luck.

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First of all, I dont get the warning. Are you saying it’s a BAD thing to take things out of the friends-zone? Because A) I think it’s a good things & leaves more doors open & B) if it is a good thing, then why warn us? I thought you were gonna warn us on how powerful IH can be. Because…it can be!

Anyway, when I have someone I’m interested in & there’s constant contact & always an assurance that you’ll meet (like in a meeting) I’ll at least one time wear a big amount of sexual pheromones ONLY & not say a word. It builds mystique & displays a powerful presence. You’ll be in her head as someone she fantasizes about. Then the next time wear a lot of something soft like IH so SHE can open up to this sexual presence that was around her. Maybe wear 1 shot of Ammo or TUTH to keep that feel in there. To remind her who she’s talking to. This works well, I’ve done it w/a cute waitress @ a diner.

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I have read your first posts on this. There comes a time when you have to read the signals. She just wants to be friends and no mone in the world is going to change that. It really dosnt matter her reasons, they are hers and hers alone and you may not like them but that wont change anything. Just because a girl likes you dosnt mean she want to be with you.

If she does have feeling for you beyond friendship pushing the issue wont help. She knows how you feel, she has to deal with you because of your positions on the school counsal. That is what her question ment.

… To make him stop.

Her boyfriend may be boring and unexciting to you but she obviously loves him. There comes a time when attraction crosses over to obsession and harrasment. You need to back off., Maybe is she see’s your losing interest and she does have feelings she will finally make a move. Most likely not though.

I have posted about this in the “What mones can do and what they cant do” thread in the ladies forum. You may be able to arouse a person with sexual mones but you cant make them do something against there will. I think the mones may arouse her and that makes her feel uncomfortable because her connection and her heart are with someone else.

Sorry to be harsh but your a nice looking kid under those glasses and hood. The world is filled with girls. You need to let this one go.

Tisha

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I agree Tisha.

Lakerman you are focused on this goal but the goal is not focused on you. Back off and relax and put your attention where it is better deserved. Why do you want someone that is not available and does not want you? You are young and handsome and seem like a decent guy you deserve better. Sometimes we get so caught up in the goal that we loose sight of what is really goiing on. You have done more than enough chasing. If you back off and she is interested she will come to you. If she doe not come around,who cares. I am sure you can get yourself a really hot girlfriend that will really like you and treat you right. There are more women than men on this planet. You will find someone else. Let this girl go and move on.

Good luck and all the best!!!..Siren

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Sorry bro, but Tisha makes sense.

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Ugh…yeah she does.

Getting over someone is easier said than done though. Believe me, I’ve tried getting over her, not so simple.

My best friend said it best: “Dawg, it’s like having a choice between The Rock and Clay Aiken. For whatever reason, this girl prefers Clay Aiken in her panties.”

I’ll do my best.

Thanks for all the help!