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Hello everyone.

I’m 27 year old male living in cold and socially strange country called Finland.

I’ve been reading this forum for awhile and I found plenty of interesting posts, feedback and reports. There are good bits of information here and there but hard to find answers to the ones I had in mind. (so many posts!)

I’ll start by telling something about myself and then what I would like to achieve with pheromones. Please comment on my thoughts or assumptions.

…This is really hard to start

I’m laid back and quite down to earth kind of person. I have a good sense of humor and I like to joke much and be quite childish even. Lucky me for having few friends that are the sameway.

My life is quite boring. I go to work and spend most of my spare time at home and that’s about it. My hobbies are bit unsocial ones.

Around strangers I tend to be very quiet and distant.. even shy, but if I get comfortable (over time or with alcohol) I loosen up and get a bit talkative. For example being a guest at weddings, graduations etc. I think I have kind of army mentality “speak-when-spoken-to”, which is usual Finnish man behaviour. (Finnish are very quiet and unsocial without alcohol)

When I’m not talking to my closest friends, my mind sometimes rushes too fast and my words can’t keep up and so I get clumsy. Meaning, I say stupid things or my choise of words is silly.
Good example would be if I would be just walking in public and somebody would stop me and ask something, I would get instantly confused or out of words. So it’s not just around girls.

During those most common social meeting days, weekends, I usually don’t have a friend to go out with. It’s usually just me sitting in at the bar table drinking my beer hoping I would meet someone I know.
Because I’m not very attractive AND becasue of my loooow confidence I get the ghost effect quite easily. People ignoring me and I get lost in the mass.

If I see pretty girls in the bar I just stare at them, nothing else. It’s the usual story: “I don’t know what to say” or “She is way out of my league”.. basic low confidence Sh*t.

Sometimes, in that rare occasion, I actually get to talk (and she talks back) to a pretty girl because she’s a friend of my friend or something like that. Pure chance basicly.

When that happens I can keep myself relatively calm, but unavoidably heart starts taking few extra rounds, leading to the “mind rushing”, thus making my speech clumsy now and then or trying desperately to find a topic to talk about, leading to some occasional awkward silent moments. Since the girl doesn’t find me interesting she basicly just keeps talk to minimum and get a bit uncomfortable. Common thing for me.
I’m polite and listen what they say to me, but usually that just isn’t enough to make me otherways interesting. I get stuck to “he’s-such-a-nice-guy” thing.

Also, I’m really lousy at flirting. I might be even too polite since I don’t know how to get forward with a conversation or situation without being rude or intrusive.
Since I can get a little hyperactive sometimes, I’m afraid that it would scare girls off, if shifted from mr-cool-and-calm to laughing-out-loud-nerd-on-cocaine person too quickly. I would like to be more.. master of the situation so to speak.
I would like to test the girls humor, but I think there is a dangerously thin line not to joke about wrong subjects and blow it all off. I’m hoping that pheromones would give me a bit more flexibility on that.

Come to think of it.. I might have found the problem . Thing that causes the “mind rush”.. constantly worrying what to say so she won’t dislike me. Damn.. getting quite psychotherapic here..

It’s kinda funny because I aknowledge most of these things but can’t do anything about it !

So:

In order to see if I could change some of that even for one night now and then would be a positive little change. That’s why I’m VERY interested in pheromone products.

These are the products that I am considering:

  • Instant Shine
  • Instant Opennes (Honesty ?)
  • AMMO

My motives:

I’d like to go into a bar and just be my casual semi-calm self and have that “something” that would make me easily approachable or if I would start a conversation, girls wouldn’t ignore me/leave.
That’s why I’d like to try Instant Shine. I would be more approachable and have that friendly presence. It would be nice to wear that just generaly.
Also from what I understood, IS makes the wearer more confident too, so that is nice bonus. I know A314 is the one that gives much confidence, but I don’t want to be too alpha or cocky.. just enough so I could start a conversation if I would want to.

Since I’m better listener than talker, I thought Instant Opennes would be good. If I would get into conversation with a girl I could get her talking and I would just gather my thoughts and just reply.
I like to think I have enough good manners not to be needing Instant Gentleman..(?)

AMMO (TUTH, ILM etc.) is a open option still. Although I would like to proceed socializing with a girl with only those 2 pheros, to get more natural and honest way of connecting or getting to know them. (Wow, being a bit hypocritical here =) ..using pheros in the first place)
I must admit, the thought of having that instant attraction is VERY tempting. Could try it atleast :wink: Picked AMMO since I’ve read it’s more subtle and could be used alone.

I somewhat am intrugued about Instant Jerk, since it kinda makes sense. Be this jerk character at start, when talking to a girl she finds this “soft-and-nice-guy” underneath the tough shell.. totally can see it happening.

Basicly just trying to achieve boyfriend quality by just being myself as much as possible. + Being more in control.

My questions are:

    • Important one: IF I would get a girl to meet me for the second time and I wouldn’t have pheros on me, would she be totally dissapointed noticing that “the magic is gone” ?
      (Would like an answer for the scenarios if I would have used IS+IO+AMMO, only AMMO and IS+IO)
    • If I would use some regular deodorant along with pheros, could I possibly a make “memory association” to the deodorants smell.. so she would hopefully remember the feelings that pheros created even if just using deodorant? Some say that pheros have quite strong scent so would the deodorant even be noticable ?
    • Someone said IO might cause even too much of chatter and it’s almost a must to have sexual phero with it, so I won’t get stuck on that “only-a-friend” zone ?
    • What would be the difference if I would wear: Instant Honesty instead of Instant Opennes with AMMO and IS ? What’s the major difference between IO and IH ?
    • I would like to know how you all have gotten away from the situation where a unwanted girl is caught in your pheros, when you have set your interest on some other girl in that same place ? Or just, how do you say no politely ? =)
    • Does Instant Opennes make girls more adventurous ?
    • If you have used Instant Jerk, have been in some not-so-friendly close call situations ?

Sorry for the long post and grammar/typos.
Please comment your thoughts, experiences and ideas.. I would be very grateful.

Humble thank you.

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Hi anton! welcome to the forum!

You have made QUITE the introduction. Let me first read it thoroughly first, but I just wanted to let you know I am here so give me a minute to read it all!

-mco;

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    • Important one: IF I would get a girl to meet me for the second time and I wouldn’t have pheros on me, would she be totally dissapointed noticing that “the magic is gone” ?

-No, the initial impression is left for some time, it would take you not being around for that impression to fade.

    • If I would use some regular deodorant along with pheros, could I possibly a make “memory association” to the deodorants smell.. so she would hopefully remember the feelings that pheros created even if just using deodorant? Some say that pheros have quite strong scent so would the deodorant even be noticable ?
      -Yes, this is what most people go off of, ie. someone asks “Are you wearing a new scent?”
    • Someone said Instant Openness might cause even too much of chatter and it’s almost a must to have sexual phero with it, so I won’t get stuck on that “only-a-friend” zone ?

-Instant openness can do this, however it is when you prod it along, Come Talk To Me Mix 2 is more suited to “they will not shut up”.

Instant Honesty with Ammo and Instant shine would be a date mix really, it assures attraction and opens the rapport up she will feel like she has known you for a long time and talk more easily with you.

    • I would like to know how you all have gotten away from the situation where a unwanted girl is caught in your pheros, when you have set your interest on some other girl in that same place ? Or just, how do you say no politely ? =)

“I like your friend, could you introduce me?” That works for me

    • Does Instant Opennes make girls more adventurous ?
      -Yes and no, they will want to talk to you, but may choose not to, as far as adventurous, well that is up to them and the attraction they feel.
    • If you have used Instant Jerk, have been in some not-so-friendly close call situations ?

-Yes, I personally do not recommend Instant Jerk for short slender individuals, unless you look like you could kick some ass…

I believe Instant Gentlemen or A314 coupled with Ammo and Shine would help you the best.
Best of Luck,
-DJ

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Ok! Very informative! Ammo is a very good choice as an all around pheromone. Great starting pheromone for learning effects as well. You mention Instant Jerk, to find a mean guy on the outside, nice on the inside. I don’t know if that would be the best course of action for your current predicament. Also, it is very Hit-And-Miss. Some girls like jerks, some do not. Seems like the kind of girl you want in your life is NOT that kind of girl. Also, it can very often make your male friends more temperable with you, and just be mad at you for no reason. If you do up choosing it, be cautious with it. Very powerful stuff. Ok, on to your questions:

  1. I actually had the same exact question when I arrived here. And the answer is no, she won’t feel different about you, because the connection has already been made. She has made up her mind about you. As an example, perhaps you know of a good friend who is having a bad day. They are STILL your friend, though, the next time you see them. Nothing abouy your feelings for this good friend have changed. The same concept with pheromones. They are very subtle things, after all. If you want some more information about it, take a look at "What pheromones can and can’t do, in my signature below my post.

  2. The pheromones in the consumer line have thier own cover scent in them. So using another cover scent is entirely optional. I personally love the scents. Stand alone phermones though, with nothing else, smell like body odor. I don’t think you could acheive a phermone “placebo” effect though with your deodorant. She may end up enjoying quite nicely your phero-deodorant smell, but when you take out the pheromones, sshe will still like it, but “something is missing” to her to get that same feeling with the pheromones in it.

  3. Some say that yes, so if you only use that, over and over again, she will think of you as her friend she likes to talk to yes. So to answer the question, its always nice to have a little -none (sexual phermone: Ammo, TUTH) to help balance that out. IO is an amazing product though, and your current predicament of shyness/ loss for words may be entirely destroyed with just this one product.

  4. Another question I asked as a newcomer. Instant Openness makes people more chatty. They will talk to you about thier dog, that scratch on thier mailbox, how the deli down the street carries deviled eggs, and the like. Sometimes, I find myself asking, “Why are you telling me this nonsense information?” The QUANTITY of talking increases, but not the quality. IH is more for deep, intimate conversations. Much more meaningful conversation. Much more interesting. It increases the QUALITY of talking, not the quantity. Be careful when first using it though, as you will be effected like everyone else, and came spit out your secrets and things better left untold.

  5. Various ways. I personally try to act casual around them, and at the first moment of escape, take it. walk off nicely, and go talk to someone else. The pheromones wont be so powerful that they will be begging for your company. They will take it as ah “oh, he doesn’t like me like that. He was nice though” type thing.

  6. I would say no. Perhaps the conversation can lead to an adventurous conversation, and through spontaneity perhaps it could spark some adventurousness. It seems to be primarily just talking which it effects.

  7. I have not used Instant Jerk personally, because of some of the things I have heard and researched about it. But I can tell you I have read of fights from it. Irritability from people around you from it. You being too cocky and hurting a friends feelings. All very negative things to attract a select group of women who don’t like you for you anyhow. Never made much sense.

Phew! Hopefully that was helpful enough to merit writing it! As for recommending for you, Ammo, Instant Shine, and Instant Openness seem like an awesome start! Hopefully I have answered all your questions, but if you have more don’t hesitate to ask, we are here to help.

Best of luck anton!

-mco;

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That would depend on a lot of factors… mostly, how you acted without them. In your case, you’re probably going to want the social pheromones for loosening yourself up, not affecting her so much.

It is possible. Pheromones can have a strong scent, but not all do. Typically, it’s the sexuals that are strongly scented, while the socials tend to be softer and sweeter. Androtics scents the pheromones so they don’t put you in an embarrassing position.

IO can cause a lot of talking and even blathering, but at those levels, unless you have become accustomed to it yourself, it’s actually lots of fun. And who can say it’s a problem when women are just spontaneously talking to you?

You do not need to add sexuals to IO. IO itself is considered a social pheromone, but can be very sexual to younger females. In general, though, it signals youth and harmlessness, and what results you get depend heavily on what you can do with your tongue. In your case, I would say that the masculinizing pheromones would be helpful, since you probably already come across as harmless and it sounds like you are not super high on the self esteem scale. But IO is good for comunication, and communication can lead anywhere you make it lead.

Isn’t that two questions? :slight_smile: Also your grammar has me a bit confused, but I presume you mean: What is the difference between wearing Instant Honesty, Ammunition and Instant Shine, and wearing Instant Openness, Ammunition and Instat Shine. So to answer that… using Instant Honesty will enhance a sense of comfort/trust/closeness and tend to make you and those around you respond with more honesty than otherwise… which can be interesting in how it affects women who are being affected by the other pheromones you are wearing.

Instant Openness, on the other hand, will tend to give that mix a more open, fluid “cool” playful kick.

The major difference between IO and IH is that IO is youth and volume of communication, whereas IH is more intimacy, trust and quality of communication.

There’s a situation by situation answer for that one… sorry.

It definitely can, in the right circumstances.

Haven’t used it. Have been in some not so friendly close call situations because of high androstenone products, though. It’s not common, but it can happen if you overbalance with aggressive mones.

I suspect your English is significantly better than my Finnish, so you have nothing to worry about in criticism from me. :slight_smile:

Hope this helped.

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Thank you so much for your answers !

Mco-gnv’s info about the Instant Honesty was really helpfull.
Now I have to choose between Instant Opennes and Instant Honesty. I think Instant Honesty would be more suitable for me after all.

To Catlord:
Yes, that was what I had in mind.. good thing you could understand the idea behind that mess =) Thank you for your output too.

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Welcome to Pherotalk Anton!

All I can say is Wow. Your introduction was really interesting and detailed. Not to mention your post got the information juices flowing from our pheromone doctors like I have never seen.

Cheers to that. You were well taken cared of and I am happy to have you here.

Your GC was already issued!