Hello,
My nickname is headbetter, head stands for my mind en better stands for getting better if you keep learning for more information about seducing.
Greetings,
Headbetter
Hello again,
I hope to learn here more about seducing, I read a lot of books about seducing, I read the mystery method, now I’m busy with the game from Neil Strauss about 400 pages to read I’m now at the half.
Greetz,
Walter
Welcome.
Tell us a little about yourself, your personality, the ways you relate to people, and what you are looking for from pheromones. We may have some ideas for you.
You may wish to read the sticky posts at the top of the men’s forum. That will give you some basic information.
Hi,
I go out much every weekend Friday and Saturday sometimes Sunday,
My age is 23, when I was 17 I first started to go out, and I had difficulties and I was really nervous to talk to girls, now I am not anymore because I changed myself, now I’m not anymore so nervous that I couldnt say anything. Now I talk to girls but I can’t keep the conversation open, I say something, then they say things back like, ok and some don’t ask back. I want to learn how to keep up that conversation with that beautifull woman and eventually kiss her. I hope I can learn from you people how to go to that stage of kissing. In the last 3 years every year one girl was coming to me and wore asking things about me, and They kissed me, so I didn’t had to do much about it, I only had to kiss back. Within 3 years I kissed 3 girls, because they wore coming to me, but when I try to kiss a girl, she will not kiss back, what do I do wrong? I want to know everything about seducing a woman, and I will studie everything I like reading books and information about it, and If I know it works I will try it. I need desperate help!!!
Greetz,
Headbetter
Ammo is a popular product for guys your age.
You may also find io, ih, and ig useful.
You can do searches on those products and see what other users have experienced.
OK thank you
Hello headbetter and welcome to the forum.
I see that you are doing some reading about how to communicate with women. That is good.
As far as products here for someone your age you have a lot of choices.
Some of my recommendations:
I like Instant Gentleman - it gives you a cool/suave kinda vibe. Another good aspect of it is that it is safe.
Like GWTW, I would recommend Ammo for social settings. The Ammo has the 'none in it to spice things up just enough. Be careful though - start with one spray. Young guys can hit an OD if you go too heavy with it. And then the girls will either ignore you or run the other way.
I would also recommend more social products. Instant Openness helps make way for general conversation. Instant Honesty helps produce deeper conversations and perhaps a feeling of intimacy. Come Talk To Me Mix 2 is a 50/50 mix of the main ingredients of IO and IH giving you the best of both worlds. It all depends what you want to do. Just remember - most girls are looking to establish some kind of rapport first to get a feel for what kind of guy you are. These products will help do just that.
You have to be careful with self effects with the social products. You may end up talking too much or about things you would rather not if you are not careful.
Again - welcome to the forum and we are looking forward to hearing more from you.
Hello Headbetter Welcome to the forum 
You got some good advice for the men above. If you have any questions just ask. We look forward to your participation in the forum 
To get you started your GC will be in your email box in the next 24 to 48 hours
Have fun
Tisha