I am new to this site today and highly skeptical of what I have found here as well as the products available from all the pheromone merchants. My interest in pheromones is not new and I have tried two different types of pheromone colognes in the distant past. One was a waste of money, the other seemed to work. These two products were bought at least 5 years apart, and it occurs to me that when I bought the first one my social skills and general personal power were rather weak. The other was purchased during a time when my personal power (aura, attractiveness, whatever you want to call it) and social skills were at a relative peak. So, it is possible that my belief in the product combined with more refined social abilities was the only thing at work and not the pheromones. Even minus social skills, a strong belief can influence behavior and thus outcomes.
I do not need a pheromone to attract women, but the ideal of it appeals to my inner laziness. Eliciting emotions/states of mind in others is not new to me, and I am curious to know how much more powerful in this aspect of communication I can be with a really strong pheromone. The problem with making another purchase of this kind of product is that everyone wants your money and will say anything to have it. I’d like to have feedback from a REAL pheromone user, not some andriotics shill, or “junkie” (I am hardcore skeptical). I’d be more interested in feedback from a woman who has been the “victim,” or (give me a better word to use here), of a pheromone product.
I’d like to cut through all the B.S. and get to something verifiable and true. Anyone?
Hi CrownWalker!
Welcome to the forum! Let me say that I’ve read your post with itnerest. In fact, long time ago, when I started with pheros, I was also quite skeptical. Ok, maybe now you’ll be thinking “This is an Androtics guy”. No, I’m not. I’ll never say that Pheros are magical stuff that with a spray you’ll attract all the girls on the planet and you’ll earn cash out of thin air. None of that. Most of the results will depend on you. Anyway, Pheros, could enhance your results.
You wish to be more “easygoing”? Use instant shine.
You need to be pissed with the world? Use an heavy dosage of NONE containing stuff (like AMMO).
I can’t help you more than trying some in TOGO and decide yourself. If I may, start with Instant Shine, Instant Openness and AMMO.
What pheromones have you tried?
You can trust pheromones from Androtics here.
You can start with social pheromones to see the effect.
Try IO. It can make people want to tallk to you. It is like an ice breaker and it makes you much approachable to people.
IH will make them talk longer and deeper with you. They will feel they have known you for long time.
Hey, it’s OK to be skeptical I was too at first. However, Androtics are trustworthy with top notch products. With your GC you’ll be able to decide if they work for you or not so I’d suggest AMMO and some IO with IH for you to try first. These three should be great to start with.
Plus - you have nothing to lose with their 200% money back guarantee plus your initial 500 store points ($5) plus forum giftcard ($25).
You’re right - I do sound kind of conspicuous…
If you’re at all skeptical or unsure, the advice you’ve just been given has been pretty good - I’d recommend IG as well - but give Androtics a call directly. Steve and Mickaelia are both very friendly and will look after you as best as they can.
I was skeptical at first too - but took the leap. It’s fun. Give it a try
There are also plenty of journals with thousands and thousands of words of experiences that users have had found on the forum. Have a skim through to get an idea of what it’s like
Welcome to Pherotalk! Usually, there is a response we give to new users because at this time we do not have a forum host/hostess.
After reading your introduction I just wanted to roll down laughing because it was so bold and truthful. I work for this company so I guess you probably won’t trust me to say this stuff works.
I am not the pheromone expert so I urge you to give him a call, his name is Steve and he will answer all the questions you have. You won’t be disappointed.
Your $25 gift certificate will be issued sometime today.
Hello again, and thank you all for your answers. Though, without any negative feedback, it all seems so one-sided and suspicious. You guys come across as sales people. I like the team-effort, though. Make that money.
Of particular interest to me are the self-effects reported by some users; e.g., headaches, loss of mental focus, etc. Those, along with ethanol/methanol scents, are potential deal-breakers for me. Ideally, only my “mark” should experience the effects while I remain in control of my own state of mind and the situation. And I should smell only my own cologne (Armani Black Code). Does anyone know how to avoid or counter the self-effects and intrusive odors?
The responses I’d like to elicit from everyone are compliance and submission, along with a tendency to believe everything I say and a desire to please me. With women, specifically, I’d like to elicit all of the above plus intense, uncontrollable, melt-down lust. This is probably beyond the scope of pheromone technology, if you can even call this pseudo-scientific shortcut to influence an actual technology. Anyone know something from Andriotics that might even come close to approximating those results?
We aren’t sales people, the responses you get to your intro are all from members here who use phero’s themselves (with the exception of Mickaelia) and we don’t get paid for this.
Androtics do sell products yes, but they are primarily a research company, not one that’s out to scam money out of you. Many, if not most, of the product (in particular the experimental and putative ones) are actually sold at a cost that Androtics don’t profit from, but they are selling it to recieve feedback from the users on the various products. They use the reports and feedback to gain data about the various molecules.
Androtics products come scented in a few different scents so there’s no ethanol scent to worry about. It’s also perfectly fine to apply your own cologne on top of the phero’s as a cover scent
I’m not sure if you are telling us what you’d want the ultimate hypothetical phero, or if these responses are your actual expectations? If they are, then I think your ideas of what phero’s are and what they do is a bit unrealistic… There is no product that will make everyone do your bidding, believe everything you say or make women lusting after you in an uncontrollable way. Phero’s don’t create feelings or emotions, nor do they give you the ability to control other peoples behaviour. Phero’s simply enhance what’s already there to a certain extent be that attraction or peoples perception of your personality etc. Take the attraction for example; if a woman doesn’t already find you interesting or attractive on some level no phero in the world will make her lust for you uncontrollably.
Xiphoid, thank you for your reply. Yes, it was a hypothetical I was describing. As you point out, some initial attraction and interest must be there first so it is easy enough to make things happen in a social context without pheros. I stated the hypothetical because it would be perfect to accomplish as much with less effort and less time.
I notice you have an extensive collection of “toys.” I also noticed some of the putative pheromones have a really high price depending on the mcg (up to $4K for 5000 mcg/spray…insane price for something that doesn’t do much!!)
Xiphoid, if you were talking to someone for whom you normally wouldn’t expect to feel a growing attraction or interest in…would you suspect the person to be wearing a pheromone IF you were to begin to notice those kinds of feelings/thoughts? I am interested to know how you perceive, or become aware, of the effects a person is having on you; i.e., your own internal responses of attraction, etc., and whether you’d know the difference between a pheromone-induced attraction versus something completely natural?
These questions are mainly based on the product descriptions; e.g., Instant Honesty. You know the normal range of your own honesty, right? So, given that you believe the pheros work as they say, would you attribute any unexpected honesty on your part to the phero? Out of all the products here, I.H. would seem to be most easily incorporated into my own methods. Another hypothetical: suppose you are being interrogated and the detective is wearing I.H., in whatever dosage you fully believe is truly effective, (further, you do not know the detective is using pheromones) do you think you would end up answering honesty despite yourself?
What are the limits of the pheromones, in your own experience? I ask because you claim to have so many.
Crownwalker, I can’t answer for Xiphoid, but I do have experience with Instant Honesty at x4 strength.
It’s not a truth serum. It doesn’t work like it would in a Hollywood spy fantasy. People think that it will make the subject - and yourself - spill everything in intimate detail. A determined liar, if faced with your pheromone-enhanced detective, will continue to lie.
What I’ve found it will do is produce more slips of the tongue than normal. If someone has a secret bubbling just on the tip of their tongue, or if their mind is occupied on another subject when talking to you - amusing if it’s a Freudian slip! - or if they feel they absolutely must tell you something but can’t, it will help get the information out.
All it might do for your detective is promote a feeling of ‘I can really trust this guy’ in the suspect and make it slightly harder for him or her to remain tight-lipped. An experienced detective will recognise that and work it to his or her advantage.
As for attraction with pheromones, I’ve never been knowingly influenced by something whipped up in a lab, but I once encountered a woman not wearing perfume. I know, very unusual. That alone was enough to get my attention.
She brushed past me and I caught her natural scent. Something about her was just intoxicating. It was a turn-and-stare moment for me and I would have followed her out the door, but we got talking. Anyway, there was this indescribable energy, this raw animal vitality radiating off her.
Was she using pheromones? I don’t know. I couldn’t pick up on anything artificial.
Is it possible for scent to play a part in attraction and was I aware of it? Yes.
I’ve decided to purchase P83, but I’m not sure which dosage is best. I’m interested in eliciting obvious responses. What dosage is recommended (I was considering 37.5 mcg/spray)?
I will be using this primarily in bars and clubs. What would P83 mix well with in this kind of enviroment/context and what dosage specifically to have OBVIOUS and POSITIVE responses from women (age 18-30)?
Is P83 good for a bar/club atmosphere? Oil base or alcohol base? Also, if you dance and sweat, how does this affect your phero’s effectiveness?
I, as well as a lot of other users on here, would probably recommend that you stay away from the Putative series until you’re more experienced! Not only will you be able to decide on dosage/scent/effect, they’ll also be a whole lot cheaper once you’re a reporting user. The Putative series are meant for experimentation and research - and are in no way intended for a regular consumer or first time user.
Try make your first purchase something from the instant line or a314. If you’re looking for obvious - go for Spaceland or IJ!
You sound as if you still think pheromones are magic potions. They’re not - and you have have HAVE to realise this. Otherwise you will be thoroughly disappointed no matter what you buy - be it from the consumer line, or the Putative line.
I understand what you are saying about the Putative series, and my decision to purchase P83 was not ignorant of the fact that it is meant for more experienced users.
I have never considered pheromones to be “magic” potions, as you might remember from my first post. I understand fully the necessary part that my own behavior will play in each social context, along with numerous other variables that can make results less than predictable, with or without pheros, PUA-skills, etc. I’m not an idiot. I’ve been doing well enough without pheromones, and I just want to add another dimension to my business (Auto Sales) and social encounters.
I purchased the following: p83 (50 mcg/spray), tuth (5 mcg/spray in togo bottle), mx302, mx272, and A314…any suggestions concerning these pheros specifically?
