Hello my name is Osku and I’m a 18 year old male from Sweden.
I began reading about Seduction about 5 months ago and I became addicted to the learning. Social dynamics, the understanding of people AND women is something that fascinates me.
I went from being a wussbag that was “nice” to women to the person I have become today. I have to admit that I’ve spent to much time reading about the subject the last 5 months, but it has paid off. I now feel confident enough that I can attract any woman that I want.
My life changed. I no longer fear getting into new situations, I live for them and I appreciate the unknown, the adventure. I no longer look down on the ground when I walk or act as if I were a victim. I’m now a rockstar, I walk as if I don’t give a shit, and that’s how I feel. Men look like they want to beat my face in and women look at me with a “Holy shit WHO IS THIS GUY?” look.
I can do better.
Once I’ve decided to get something in my life handled there’s nothing that can stop me. Since I was a child I’ve been a fast and dedicated learner, I talked to my father earlier today and he told me that when I began learning bicycling it only took me a few hours. I live by the rule that I can achieve what ever I want in life as long as I put enough effort into it.
That’s why I’m here. That little extra to spice up my conversations and my life. I’m somewhat skeptical but that’s alright. I’m extremely open minded I welcome this new hobby of mine as a challenge.
I’m creating the life that I want to live - do you have what it takes to be a part of it? Reply below!
Welcome bro. Sounds like you learned the most important thing about approaching women and that is self confidence.
I’m skeptical myself and if you’re are anything like me meaning naturally alpha and magnetic personality than you may run into the same issues as I am.
Right now nothing seems to me working for me and if it is, I can’t tell. Since we don’t have an issue approaching or talking to women ‘nones’ might be useless to us. I’m experimenting with socials today so if anything magical happens, I’ll post it in the mens forum under my first go post.
Welcome to the board, see you around.
BTW, cool name.
I was skeptical also when I started using mones. I knew they worked from science journals my only question was which companies used legit chemicals. Believe me brother you’ve found it. I suggest you go with a314 to compliment your new alpha vibe or instant shine to make the room happy upon your arrival. Explore the forums and you’ll learn much. Soon you won’t be able to stop! Happy hunting!
Are you just randomly splashing stuff on; or are you sampling one at a time and noting reactions? Also, you’re young, and therefore producing metric tonnes of hormones, pheromones and attitude all by yourselves. Wait for some of the experienced guys to drop in and add their thoughts.
READ!! the stickys - that’s what they’re there for.
Read, because at 18, there’s a few things that are (apparently) useless for you at your age - just because you’re already producing buckets of your own.
What an interesting introduction. I like the fact that women fascinate you but I hope you put those talents and effort in something good and not just towards women.
The men here will eventually take you under their wing and show you the ropes.
My first recommendation to you is Instant gentleman to go with your personality. To give off that cool yet mysterious guy vibe.
Instant honesty to make ppl feel that they can trust you. For deeper levels of communication.
As you go along you will find more products that interest you and suit your situation or situations as they come.
It’s interesting really. I get a lot more crap from men than I used to. I’m looking for work and there is this company that I go through when looking for jobs. I met this guy there who criticized me like hell. He tells me: “You can’t walk around like that - like you’re on top of the world, better than everyone else” “Like some kind of alpha-male who doesn’t give a shit” (He is the boss of the place)
Made me feel really glad because that’s the vibe I’ve been trying to achieve.
But at the same time I’m somewhat worried that somebody who has never even spoken to me before became so angry for no reason. In the biological world we call this a “sexual threat”. From observations I suspect that about 10% of men feel like this before even talking to me! The men who don’t feel this way give me a lot of respect. Nobody dares messing with me anymore.
The women on the other hand were looking at me like they wanted me more than anything, (it was a group of perhaps 20 people) I even had one of them stalk me that day! But it does come with its disadvantages.
Back to the pheromones - I’ve never had any issues with being open and honest with people and I’ve always been the one who gets to hear all the dirty little secrets due to my prejudiced free attitude. I don’t need to play around with Instant Honesty.
Gentleman seems to be somewhat similar to A314, would it be better if I bought that one instead? Because I feel that it would create a stronger vibe than Gentleman, and I don’t want to come out as being warm and fuzzy. If people want warmth and fuzz they can come closer.
Hey there, it’s curious to have those responses from guys toward you. I’d suggest that not only your attitude that you have groomed to that vibe is causing that effect, but also, from your age, you are producing none naturally. This can produce extreme behaviour on either side of the spectrum, smother you with love or hate your guts. AMMO is a well rounded mone product as it has about the same amount of rone, none, and anol. Could it give you an OD if you already have an intimidating effect on insecure males? Possible… you’d have to test that out yourself, which I recommend with the standard strength, togo bottle of AMMO. Using one spray ONLY and if it does give you excessive negativity from the guys, then, smear just a bit on your finger and spread to your wrists or neck. It isn’t precise in that instance, but, you want to minimize that freaking out toward you and at the same time want to highlight your sexy alpha role.
A314, though, may put you through the wringer in that you’ll likely be tested about your position. I’ve also seen it give off an intimidation factor, projecting a ‘I don’t take sh*t from anybody’ vibe. Sometimes I use the A314 oil just for that purpose and act in congruence to get my stuff done without the annoyance of people buzzing around me.
Though, as you have this vibe already, you may see this just amplified to others around you. Hence the suggestion of IG which will give off a leader man, vibe, but a softer one. You can DIRECT these mones to a large degree with your attitude and personality. Instant Shine is that warm and fuzzy mone. I enjoy it’s laid back signals that others perceive when I wear it. They, guys and gals, normally maintain that coolness or if they’re worked up, come down quick from there anger session… Instant Shine and IO may be good for you in certain situations as well. No rone or none required as YOU are already demonstrating those in your attitude and possibly producing the chemical signal in your natural none output.
Check out my sig, intro to mones as well as P51’s Awesome Overview to help you decide as well on which mones to get. You could also talk to Steve O at the number above… I always have a positive outcome getting mone advice from him.
IH will temper the male reactions better than IO. Take the advice seriously - these people are seriously experienced and have a history of data to support recommendations. From what everyone says; and what you’re going through, A314 would just add to the general aggro. You’re young, don’t go rocking the boat in your workplace. Don’t try to out alpha the alpha’s - this kind of thing can get you moved to deadend positions or got rid of entirely. There is a thread specifically for A314 users - read.
You’re telling me what to do? Who the hell do you think you are bunn bunn?
I appreciate the advice, the thing is that I want to out-alpha everybody, this is my reality and the people living in it are my chess pieces that I need to learn how to manipulate in order to get what I want in life.
I want to enhance the rock star effect that I already have. I have no problem with trying out some of the products you’ve recommended. But it’s important for me that you understand that I’m not afraid of other men. I can handle them. I can handle any situation I’m put in.
I’m also thinking that the reason I get this alpha-vibe now is because of my body language and not my pheromones since I didn’t notice this effect at all just a few months ago. I’m thinking that the pheromones could back up the thing that I’m already “faking”.
Will I have to pay additional taxes once the package arrives in Sweden?
I do hope you know the vibe your describing and displaying is not the Alpha vibe. Its the Jerk vibe. Men feel like kicking your ass and women find you fascinating so they stare, kinda like a car wreck on the side of the road. Its attracts attention but you dont want to have one.
An alpha male influences and leads they do not manipulate and over power. There is a vast difference. They command respect, they dont insult, disrespect or disregard.
She is a intelligent member with experience with the products who just gave you some good advice. She’s not your bunn bunn.
Its hard not to get you wrong when your coming off with the Jerk vibe. I can feel it without even being on the same continent as you. Mickaelia is highly experienced and trained with these products.
Now before I give you pheromones advice and you call me bunn bunn, suggest I lack experience or dont know what I am doing, let me make it clear that I am a expert pheromone coach as well as a expert in social interaction and influence in both males and females. I have over 10 years of study over your 5 months and I very am good at what I do.
IG will fit your needs better then A314 especially because your not being congruent with the alpha vibe and you need to tone done the aggressive offensive jerk vibe and you want to increase the respected trusted leader vibe. While A314 is all of those things using it with your current vibe will just push more people both male and females away.
I think for “spicing up your convo’s” either IO or IH would be fine but I do agree with Astrea and think IH will temper your vibe better then IO.
I suggest you get some Ishine to create some warmth. Its not that you lack it but this persona your “faking” <<< your words not mine>>> is highly lacking in warmth or pull.
Ammo shouldn’t freak guys out and its a good well rounded mix for you as it contains the arone of IG.
It depends on the country, you may have to pay duty fee’s. I believe Sweden has a duty fee on cosmetics over a certain limit.
Good luck and if you have questions just pop on down to the forum and respectfully ask
Whats up Sulfide. I appreciate you have a specific goal in what you are expecting from the mones.
You’re young and I can see where your attitude to wanting to become more alpha than everyone else comes from. But you know in life there will always be someone more alpha than you. I think you’ve not really meet a real “alpha” guy yet, because if you did, you will realise what it really means to be alpha.
Trust me when I say focus on being more respectful in treating people as equals and being smarter in thought. If you want respect your going to have to give it.
I do also want to see that you become a alpha guy, it’s healthy and needed to get through life. But at the moment I don’t think it is what you think it is.
This is your chance, learn now, or learn the hard way.
I’m not disrespectful, indecisive or mean. The reason I come out this way is because you guys don’t know me. I’m somewhat of a jerk, but there needs to be a balance. It’s extremely important to me that the people around me are okay. I don’t tolerate disrespect towards myself or anyone else and I will do everything in my power to make everybody feel alright. I also don’t believe in criticism even though I appreciate getting it myself considering I’m a self development freak.
I will never give my approval or respect in order to get yours in return. You have to earn it, just like I have to earn yours.
I know people who are truly alpha, I have family members who are as high up in the politics as you can get. I also know how normal they can be. I want to be the alpha who doesn’t take everything to seriously. That doesn’t mean I can’t lead, I just don’t give a shit if people follow or not. They do though. If you believe that I don’t know, then I’d be glad to listen to your definition of an alpha-male but saying that I don’t know, or assuming that I don’t know any is biased.
“There will always be someone more alpha than you” That’s an excuse and nothing else. I refuse to accept that. I might not be the best, but I will be the best that I can be and I wont let the things that I can change stop me in life.
I’m already the alpha-male in my group of friends. People come to me for advice and look at me when there is a time of conflict. I’m always in control and women tell me this repeatedly. I think they like being my bratty little sisters. Maybe it’s because they feel safe around me.
I don’t think I’ve insulted anyone here, I’m just having some fun. Calling a person bunn bunn isn’t an insult. Jokingly saying that somebody who clearly has a lot more experience than I have doesn’t know what she is doing is fun. It’s sarcasm.
I’m not going to change because you want me to. I love myself, I love my life and I love you too.
You’ve hit the nail on the head, you are right we don’t know you. I’m sure you are a great fun guy to hang out with. But in life peoples first impressions count. Let this be one of those lessons.
Relax nobodies trying to frustrate you out of your goals, it’s just that some of us have been that cocky, sarcastic young guy and know what it is like. Hence knowing how bad things can get due to our thinking and attitude.
Now back to topic, what are you goals with A314? That is some strong stuff when you are young, you can easily OD on it as I have found out. With your personality that might make things awkward.
Well, I’m a pretty small guy. I’m about 5’6, 112 pounds. (People are afraid of me - freaky) Even though I have extreme confidence and I always assume the leader role immediately some guys who are bigger just assume that they’re better.
I’m hoping that A314 would make the transition phase smoother. A314 shouldn’t only help me with the respect and leading part but might also make it easier for women to trust me and my abilities to protect them physically in case something were to happen.
I think this is one of my greatest weaknesses with women especially, even though I’m very physically fit and I do martial arts several hours a week there’s nothing that screams “I can save your life” more than a really big guy.
But more importantly, I like the rockstar-effect that I’m currently getting and I would like to enhance it. Do you believe that A314 is the way to go or would it make me seem to serious? Because I’m open for suggestions, I can always get togos to try them out.
You’re right, first impressions count. And mine says “I’m on top of the world and I don’t give a fuck” with a lot of strong eye contact, I’ve noticed that some get afraid while others see me as approach-friendly. For some reason older people (50+) always begin talking to me! I smile a lot for a douche, and I think that’s one of the reasons people don’t freak out a lot in real life. They understand that I’m teasing with them, and they enjoy it.
I just moved to the city a few weeks ago and I’ve realized how amazing metros are in comparison to buses, because you get to look people in the eyes! It’s such an ego-boost having women IoIng you all trip long. The amount of IoIs I get is so insane I don’t think you’d believe me if I told you. It’s amazing how much 5 months can change your life. I had a woman stalk me all the way to my apartment gate today. Crazy bitch. (in a good way - I had to spell it out, you’re pretty retarded)
(Special - to me)
You don’t have to worry, you haven’t upset me the slightest and there is nothing that can distract me from my ambitions. Appreciate the concern though, kinda sweet. But don’t get any ideas.
