Help w/depression...

Ok Im going to try really hard to say what I need to say w/o feeling like Im totally exposing myself here.

I read that Instant Female Magic could be good to help w/relaxing and possible emotional lows.
BUT it is out of stock totally.

I have clinical depression and I am being cared for by a doctor.
I started taking antidepressants when I was 21, and it does make a difference. I was hoping there was something I could try that would make life “easier” along w/the medication I am on.

I dont expect miracles but if something can help at all that would be great. I know phero’s are not “medicine” or anything like that, I just thought hey it’s worth a shot! Right?
Im already going to try Instant Shine.

Often I just feel really blah, no energy, no motivation, I am pretty sensitive and I tend to get my feelings hurt easily or feel guilty when I really shouldnt, and then you add PMS and the emotions just get rough.
I already have a doctor and therapist so that is not the issue.

So is there anything that might be able to help?

No there is no mone that is proven to help with clinical depression really.

Ishine is great and it is upbeat you may feel some euphoric effects with it but as your body acclimates to the vibe you notice it less

IFM caters more to the bad PMS mood as opposed to the feeling down mood.

They are both worth a try though. IFM is out right now but will be back

Tisha

Any “mood booster” would be great. I just feel dull and blah.
I’ve always had really bad PMS, but it’s not just PMS its also during my period, so thats basically half the month. Hormones suck sometimes.

Well I will ask them about IFM again and see if and when it will be back. I know next week a lot will be on the shelves again but he didn’t mention that one specifically.

IFM is really great for PMS and Ishine takes care of the blahs for a lot of people. So while they may not effect the actual depression they can influence some of the issues your experiencing.

Hormones can suck sometimes unless you have the ability to influence them a little and you now have that :wink:

Tisha

I don’t know if this helps, but I just discovered that a combination of IS/A with a bit of MX300 made me feel less sensitive and less likely to get my feelings hurt.

I just felt more “naturally” on the offensive, and tougher, less “fragile” than I occasionally feel. This was just one incident so far, though, that I’ve tried this on.

I will definitely try it again if I feel anxiety before interacting with someone who I know has a tendency to bully and be hurtful.

Thanks I appreciate that Tisha!
Yes, hormones are good as welll, so sometimes the suck and sometimes they dont lol. Im not on any kind of BC pills, it makes me nervous of the adverse effects they could have on me (I however have been on them in the past), one of which is weight gain and then other “stuff” (yes I am very techincal) it might effect me in a negative manner (though I know it can have postive effects as well, beyond the labeled use).

I take so many vitamins, supplements, the antideppresants, and antibiotics for my skin (a certain kind, that wont affect the useage of common antibiotics for bacterial illnesses) that bleh I just cant imagine adding anything else lol.

Thanks Sk thats good to know! Maybe once Ive tried this other stuff, I can get on the list or whatever to try the experimental phero’s.

I am for sure getting IS/B, Instant Shine, along w/other stuff, that hopefully wont affect my over all mood.
Im kinda nervous that some may make me irritable or bitchy, goodness knows I dont need that lol.

I hesitate to add to your burden of supplements and vitamins, but Tisha turned me on to the subject of nootropics a while back when in my unrelenting push to test every Putative Androtics has put out - I burned through all my neurotransmitters and got myself in one hell of a pickle.

Nootropics are considered brain boosters, and memory enhancers, but they do more, replenishing your neurotransmitters. It might be worth a shot to give them a try, since they shouldn’t interfere with your medications at all, and may help to lift your mood.

I also take 2000 mcg Vitamin C every day, and extra, extra B6 and B12. Vitamin C is necessary for Seratonin production, and the B6 and B12 are energy and mood lifting. Walnuts and bananas, I’ve heard, are good also, and Omega-3 fatty acids (I use Coramega - no fish taste or smell).

Diane

Oh that’s interesting Diane!
I take what I think is a very good women’s vitamin by Rainbowlight that also has hormonal support, along w/a lot of good vitamins in it.
I am also taking a separate essential fatty acid sup, although I admit I dont always take as much as I should, that pill is really a pill, freaking huge!
Also taking something called Tonalin CLA (conjugated linoleic acid)
It’s suppose to help you build muscle and help you burn fat (Im skeptical of the fat burning but meh).
I do exercerise, though w/the holidays Ive been slacking ha.
Not to mention other supplements, nothing harmful or anything w/caffiene or other stimulates, as I can almost guarantee those would only make things worse.

However, I really could use something for my memory/concentration. I feel like I forget stuff all of the time, it drives me crazy.
I feel like me and my dad are in the forgetful competition, but he has an excuse he’s 76! blah
I know this is also a symptom of the depression so it’s not too shocking but still highly annoying.

At this point Id almost rather have an injection of all this stuff than having to swallow it. I think me having to swallow all this stuff deters me from eating as much lol, so that might be helping w/my weight loss too lol. It makes me lose my appetite actually lol.

Hi AshesBlue,

I agree with Diane, vitamins do wonders! Seriously! But if you want to use vitamins for depression/anxiety/concentration etc you need much higher doses than you’ll find in a multivitamin. I take HIGH doses of VitB everyday… 1 Vit B comlplex and extra B12, B6 and B5. The B vitamins aren’t just good for depression and anxiety, they are really good for energy and concentration too. I use it for my ADD and it’s made a difference. It also has given me more energy. There’s a really brilliant book if you’re interested called “The food mood solution” by Jack Challem…tells you absolutely everything :slight_smile:

Don’t be so quick to discount the CLA…the fatburing effects of it has been tested in clinical trials and it does work. It has a tendency to work especially on abdominal fat which is the reason (I think at least) it’s getting more attention within the medical research setting as carrying a lot of abdominal fat is linked to diabetes and heart disease. How much are you taking each day by the way? I think most clinical trials showed it was most effective when taking between 4-7g/day but don’t quote me on it. I can look it up if you’re interested?

Sure Im interested!
I initially looked at vitamin and hormonal support as I feel that my depression is somewhat hormonally related.
The vitamins I take tend to have most of the amount that was suggested to help support the thyroid.

as far as the CLA, this is what I take
Swanson Best Weight-Control Formulas Tonalin CLA 1,000 mg 180 Sgels - Swanson Health Products

they are 1,000 mg per every two of the Tonalin CLA and I take 4 to 6 a day on average.

I had a feeling my thread would turn to supplements haha, phero’s can only do so much, but I had to ask. :stuck_out_tongue:

I have some stubborn body fat, that would be amazing to lose, some thats extra from weight gain and then some that I have had even when Ive been “thin”. That fat thats right under the belly button ugh!! I think that’s pretty common w/women?

The Tonalin is the one that was quoted as the most effective and with most consistent results in the reports I’ve read. It seems like you’re taking about the dose they used as well, if you take 6/day.

B vitamins help the thyroid too by the way… I think it’s B5 & B6 that are needed for thyroid hormone synthesis…that’s in the book too :roll_eyes:

About phero’s…well, they can’t cure depression, but I think they do have a transient effect that is beneficial and they can help boost your mood…even if it’s just temporary. :slight_smile:

Thanks for the info! That’s good to know!
Ill have to look into the B vitamins. I just wish it was easier, as in not so many pills blah. I use to poopoo supplements to help me w/my depression/anxiety, I thought my case was a lost cause, but I also probably didnt take enough or long enough to see a difference. I think especially when I was younger, I wanted everything right now! :o

I dont think there’s anything that can cure depression, just try to manage it, but I understand what ya mean. Well I think many people only need temporary help, but for me this is most likely something I will deal w/the rest of my life, so anything that helps is great.
If only there were a magic pill to take. :slight_smile:

I sometimes feel like Im having a meal of pills. :roll_eyes:

The problem with linoleic acid (omega-6 FA) is that an over abundance of this EFA is strongly linked with depression. Upping the intake of Omega-3 FA usually balances this out. It may be the culprit in your depression. Here’s a CME case study I did a while back through MedScape:

Here are some other links:

Omega-6 fatty acids found to be dietary cause of depression, heart disease
Vital Choices Newsletter: Omega-6 overload linked to depression
Omega-6 Levels in Brain Linked to Depression - Fish Oil, Omega-3 & Fish Oil Benefits
Omega-3 for Depression and Bipolar

Personally, I’d much rather be fluffy and happy than skinny and miserable.

Diane

Hey Ashes,

Try this tread for the phero/depression connection: Pheromones to Treat Depression, Futurist, and alot of the other posters in this thread, are some of the most knowledgable people that we have ever had on this forum.

This is one of the realated threads listed at the bottom of the page. You can also click on the tags in the lower left. Could even do it the old fashioned way, and enter terms in the search box at the top. This forum has been around long enough that you can find disscussions on almost any subject. (I haven’t tried a search for penguins yet)

As to your diet question, River’s New phero diet plan? thread is probably one of the best.

Diane,
I only wish my depression was linked to a supplement.
Unfortunately, Ive lived w/depression longer than I lived w/o it, ie about two decades. While Ive only been taking the CLA for a couple of weeks.
I appreciate your research as always though. :slight_smile:


OY, thanks for the links ill take a look!

Yah… the only problem is Tonalin might be like throwing gasoline on the fire.

Diane

Yeah Ive thought of that too, I will keep an eye on it, it’s nearly impossible not to. lol
So, far I havent noticed any changes. My struggles w/weight loss also add to my depression as well, so I have to keep all things in mind, pros vs cons and all that good stuff.
Im 30lbs over weight not something a doctor considers needing any medical help ither. The whole thing is a struggle really, and an annoying cycle. I just have to keep trying.

Thanks again! :smiley:

Yep, pheros won’t help with the clinical side of things, AshesBlue, but they may help with the behavioural side of things. In short, a new pheromone-hobby (like any other hobby in some respects) may be something that you will find a useful adjunct to clinical therapy. Some pheros do have the added bonus that they affect the wearer’s mood for the better, temporarily, but this shouldn’t be relied on. But going out testing various pheromone products is undoubtedly fun, and educational, in the sense that you can learn a lot about yourself and other people. And getting into the intricacies of pheromone-enhanced social engineering is a great activity :smiley:

Oh yeah! I remember that epic thread :slight_smile: Again, AshesBlue, these are just folks’ personal anecdotes, and YMMV, but there do seem to be cases of unexpected ancillary benefits from pheromone use!

Not to mention the added benefit that others around you respond to them in socially strengthening ways, like paying attention, giving you inviting body signals, talking to you, listening to you, treating you kindly or with respect or with interest, and all that other jazz.

Diane

Diane

That all sounds very exciting, I dont get out very much so I dont have many to test it out on lol. Hopefully I can encourage my bf do come w/me to some social “experiments”.

I made my first order a few days ago, Im trying not to think about it much or have any expectations.


It’s about helping w/the symptoms that all together add up to depression. Ive noticed that there are phero’s that say they can help w/things that happen to be related to depression.