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Ok I’ll be honest with you guys , i will tell it all and i know that the first step to wisdom is to admit that you always need help from others specially if they have more experience. :slight_smile:

I am 43 years old i live in near Ottawa Canada.

I’m interested in pheromones not because i wanna date and meet women … well maybe a bit hehehe… But to be honest this is not my main goal :slight_smile:

Last year after 18 years, i regained contact with my first love. she is still as beautiful, sweet and desirable as she was in her twenties. We splitted back then for a stupid reason i know she was hurt by that, i was too. We really loved each other but we wern’t ready for this kind of relation at that age.

She met another men , had 2 beautiful kids that are now teenagers but this relationship turned bad after 13 years. She left him 2 1/2 years ago.

So as i told you, we met last year… for me it was like falling in love with her again, we talked taled talked… and finally kissed and slept with each other. it was a bit awkward but we finally found each other.. there is stuff that you never forget event after almost 20 years.

Both having kids (i have a 3 year old son) we managed to try to come back together seeing each other every 2 weekends, i was a bit difficult and she became distant a bit over a few months.

She told a common friend that she likes me a lot but doesnt feel the “chemical”, in french you say: " the scent" of love.

So we are now in the friend zone and i obviously dont like that.

I know she is ready fot love, she met this guy in Europe over the internet (13 years younger than her), i know that at 42 she is affraid of getting old. She is still very teenage-like romantic.

She has doubts on this distant relationshiop for obvious reasons, but on the other hand i’ts good for her self esteem.

But she always stick around me, because she knows i am a good man, i’m faithfull and everything but.. she doesnt feel the oompf.

It’s funny, when she is not aroused by me she is always a bit negative, like everything i say seems not ok, she closes her mind, but on the other hand, we also are very good friends, so we can talk for hours and hours.

I have to say that since 18 years, i gained more or less 45 pounds (i quit smoking). I’m not fat (i’m 240 for 5’11") but i’m obviously far from skinny. I started back training since last week (if i could lose these 45 pounds, i ll be more than happy)

I’m trying to give you experts an honest picture of the situation.. I also know this is not a magic potion. But hey, for the women of your life, doesn’t it worth a try?

So here is the situation. I see her every 2 weeks, next time is friday november 19th

what would you recommend and why?

PS: Obviously i will share the results with you on the forum.

I read a lot of the threads so far. pretty interesting stuff. I believe that with team work, and good advice, we can all win.

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Welcome, mon ami!

Try AMMO, TUTH, A314.

AMMO and TUTH are sexual.

The A314 gives you the status.

Also, hit the search for “friend zone” :smiley:

You’ll find lots of similar souls to you, including me :stuck_out_tongue:

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Welcome to our phero family :slight_smile:
Since your’e 43 it’s most likely that a lot of your natural -none (androstenone scroll over word to learn more) production has either stopped or is at near to nothing. Products such as ammo and TUTH which are heavy in -none may very well be just what you need to get you out of the friend zone, and into the “potential lover” category. Though, from what your intro it is obvious that you’re looking for a long term relation ship so adding some androstenol products to the combo will push you even further; ie from the ‘potential lover’ category to the ‘mr right’. Obviously, this is not the case with everyone, but since in your situation, she is clearly already attracted to you, but she is (as i interpret it, though I could easily be wrong) trying to hide her feelings from you since she does not want to lose you as a friend. A good combo to try out would be Instant gentleman + Ammo + A314.
Instant gentleman makes you seem like that cool, suave guy, who everyone wants to be with. It’s been described as James bond in a bottle.
Ammo increases physical and sexual attraction, makes you seem more ‘alpha’ and elevates your status.
A314 gives you a very alpha vibe, when you have this on you chemically scream “I’m the alpha male! You will respect me!”. This can be a little intimidating on its own, but when buffered (layering different mones onto each other) with other mones, can make increase attraction greatly.
Also, don’t worry too much about ODing (over dosing/ putting on too much androstenone) since your body won’t be producing much natural -none, you’ll be able to get away with using more of a none product without getting the negative effects of an OD.
:slight_smile:

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Hello and welcome to the forum. I’m pretty sure you’re going to find a lot of us with the same story and you’ll feel right at home. I’m 43 myself and know all to well about getting stuck as friends with the woman you think you love.

Here’s the thing, she does want to feel young and alive and I bet this European guy fits the bill as the bad boy. She is looking to fulfill that missing piece in her life, the one that makes her shudder with anticipation. So you need to fill that spot and it isn’t going to come from IG or A314, or ammo or TUTH. I hardly ever recommend this to anyone but you sound perfect. I’m saying you go with IJ and here’s why. You see you are just like me, the super nice guy to woman who always gets stuck in the friend zone, always wondering why she would be with such a jerk. Well IJ gives you that extra edge, while you still are able to maintain your niceness. You don’t have to be a jerk to wear it and it doesn’t turn you into one either.

Just be yourself and let the IJ give off the bad boy persona. You get the best of both worlds and she is hooked :slight_smile:. Maybe throw in some IH to form that connection with you a bit deeper.

I’ll be sending out your GC to your email in just a little bit.

Welcome my friend

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Ok so i had to choose between all the solutions posted here. After much reflexions and a chat with Steve over the phone i choosed to go with the IJ solution even if it sounds extreme, it may be the key element that is missing.

So IJ for that ooopf, IH for the sense of connection and a bit of Instant Shine just to add sparkles and i hope i have a good cocktail.

I placed the order this afternoon, so if i receive it before the weekend i may hit the dancefloor or try a social event to test the thing and gain confidence on how to use these products.

Anyone here will recommend using IJ at a social event or in a club? (considering i am 43)?

Is it too aggressive?

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Bonjour mon ami! Si content on vous donne un tel grand conseil!

Isn’t Steve so easy to talk to!?

I would love to hear about it since I’m in your age range as well. I just ordered my first IJ myself! I’ve read that since were older, we produce much less mones than the younger folk…lies, I tell ya! All LIES! :slight_smile: Well, I have to concede I’m getting older…
So, IJ is a puzzle to me so I would also want to know how much to use? Recommended dosing? I will likely go with, 1 spray and give it a go and take the IS bottle to tone it down if people want to burn me at the stake! If that DOESN’T happen, then try 2 for to at the next event…and go through the same process.
Let’s see what the more experienced have to say! I’ll just be right over here, listening to your answer as wel!!! :cool:

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I wear IJ as a staple to the club. I’m 43 and its perfect to get the women swooning around you :smiley:

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Actually, my life is being really funny in the past few days. Apart from this 42 years old girl that i love and that i am stick in the friend zone with, i have this 24 year old chick running around me and damm does she is sexy :-0

So maybe in order to get this sexual pressure off me, i’m gonna have to do something about it.. The funny thing is that probably she will respond completely differently.

So the question is, do i have to adapt my weapons to myself or to what i am aiming agewise? Meaning is IJ too aggressive when aiming at a 24 yrs old chick?

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It’s 1h33 PM, i just received my order
Instant Jerk
Instant Openness
Instant Shine
Ammunition (cool gift from Steve… Thanx pal for that one)

In about an hour i have to pick up this 24 year old chick that i was telling you guys about. We have to work a few hours together

What recipe do you suggest me?

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Give the 3 x AMMO + 3x IS + 3x IO a try…

Cool, collected, attractive, relaxed and happy, easy to talk to, vibe… whew!!! that was long!

Hope you can see some results and build on them with IJ…

Take them to refresh if you’ll be together for more that 4 hours…

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No Instant Jerk at this time?

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I would wait on the IJ and work up to it…

My suggestion is that you want her to feel that confident guy vibe from you that she see in a different light…like a wow, I hadn’t noticed this vibe from him before…then, when she is liking the attraction vibe, feeling like she can really talk to you, then bring it up a notch with the IJ…

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To be honest i was already having this cool relationship with this 24 year old girl (i’m 43) but i was trying to go a little bit further, so… Let’s see what happened.

I wore all 4 (3 X of each; IJ, IO, IS and Ammo)

I picked her up at 3:30, we were in a rush to get in town before traffic she was very nervous we couldnt make it on time for her appointment…We got caught in traffic but even if she was starting her periods (she says it’s really painfull) she was very talkative and opened her mind a lot. (we got ther right on time)

She was talking a lot about her present relationship with a boyfriend that she doesnt see too often (he works away from town)… meaning she is possibly trying to qualify me as a possible mating partner :slight_smile:

The more time we were spending together (we went out to eat) she was really opening up, we talked really openly about sexuality, her experiences with different boyfriends, her fantasies. She then said " i really fell free with you, it’s incredible, i can really tell it like it is, i feel like i’m being myself with you" Hmmm interesting..

We then worked together for a few hours during nightime and when driving back to her place the conversation was really getting raunchy… wow… do there pheromones really work was i asking myself?

I parked the car in her driveway, she took her purse, kissed me on the cheek quickly and said “bye bye see you soon” :slight_smile:

Even if she was taking to me a few minutes before about how horny she can be and what she likes to do to please a man… I think she felt maybe a little bit affraid. Well actually i don’t know what i could have done to conclude tonight even if she was really sexual in her talking.

I didnt feel it was the proper time to tell her “hey you, comme here” then grab and kiss her

I didnt feel also that to give her a spray of instant jerk before she got out of the car was the thing to do as a “finishing touch” :slight_smile:

Any ideas? I’m open to criticism :slight_smile:

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WOW!!! Great report! Was that planned to have her bake in your mone cloud in the car for a long time?
That is what got her real into convo’s with you. Of course, worrying about getting somewhere in time, would have distracted her from your mone signature somewhat, but she noticed it for sure…The IO, IS and AMMO were coming through during your meal, feeling open and with the AMMO, looking at the attractiveness you were putting out, calculating you as a potential mate…IJ was playing in the background, she was supressing those sexually charged thoughts until you were alone again in the car…

yeah, I liked your conclusions to let it be, and play the mones again on another occasion, fortify that mental picture she has of you with the mones and your attitude…

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Tonight was the night

Same recipe, 3 spays of each

I met the love of my life (the 42 year old). We spent about 6 hours together, we went to a very noisy restaurant and then spent maybe 4 hours hours listening to music and having a few drinks.

She was pretty open minded but to be honest we always speak freely about ourselves.

I didn’t noticed anything if she was aroused (she talked to me a bit about the guy she is seing now (virtually cause he is in Europe).

I tried to notice anything different… nope

Good thing is, i may see her also tomorrow. It is my chance.

Any ideas guys? I’m sticking in the friend zone and i hate that

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Hey, start posting in men’s section! U will get more help.
Again, welcome!