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Hi guys!!

Im an economic university student at the moment. Male. Im almost 19 and I will live from September on in Barcelona (north of Spain… very close to France).

When I first started looking at pheromones I was a bit dissapointed. I saw a lot of silly marketing and I honestly didn’t think this would really work (referring precisely to this vid: ‪EL PODER DE LAS FEROMONAS‬‏ - YouTube ). I found a lot of products like this ones… but after a bit of researh I ended in this page.

My first impression was that this could perfectly work!! Most of you (practically all) have good experiences with pheros and you have a very succint info in the forum… so I decided to register in order to have a way with pheros!!

I’m a shy guy (From the last year I have made a lot of efforts to change that and is actually changing!! I continue feeling more comfortable with me… but the nucleus, the core, is very difficult to change. Though I made advances I feel that I am not like the guys which can easily open a conversation… I block a lot of times).

I went to psychologist to tell him why I was going to Barcelona (changing city) and, apart from that, he told me a “problem” that I had that is completely true: I have a lot of doubts. I think a lot: when I see, for example, a white sheet of paper I say… well, it is not completely white, it has some black horizontal black lines on there… This is what blocks me. He told me to start a medication but I didn’t like it at all (because I thought that could create dependance.. and what I want, though is hard, is changing me to a better person!!).

So, basically, I have those 2 problems which I want to solve: a lot of thinking (constant bullshit in my mind which blocks me of acting) and being shy.

When I started to see this forum, there was a lot of info… I am going to be honest, haha: I came here for the sexual pheros, not the social ones… but I am seeing that maybe the social ones will help me a lot more!!

I would want to use some social pheros mix for university (in order to socialize more easily). When I was like 7 or 8 years old I was completely different: I was the leader of the group… and I was not shy… that is my natural essence… but I suffered from bullying later on school, my father died, mum had cancer… and I think that changed me… made me more mature but less happy. So, basically, my objective is to become more social (a leader!! … why not? I like that). I know that phros will not make me a leader, or made me sociable… it is just a tool… but, for example, if people start me talking and I can not continue pheros dont do magic. I have this clear enough…!!! But if you could tell me some pheros to m ake a good mix and have a good tool to start this new academic year it will be great!!

As well, I would want a fucking-mix, :stuck_out_tongue: When clubbing, what I need is getting off my blockings and be more sexual.

As well, and as a 3rd mix, I would want something to go to party with classmates (not specifically to pick up, just going with the people in university and have a good tme).

I know that the one who has to make the mixes is me!! I have read the post of the sweet spot, the pheromones (description, and so on).

more or less, from reading, what I saw is:

Social mix 01: IO , IS, IH (dont like that one… will explain it), spaceland, MX407 (CTTM2), maybe A314.

Why?

IO: Be more open… people breaks the ice with me by start talking (or is me who is going to be more “open”?).

IS: I will be more happy (this I think will help blocking my internal bullshit, my doubts and my shyness).

IH: I dont think I really need this because I know I can talk very deeply… And because I suspect that if this is going to make me honest… how I am going to be without my doubts if that wouldnt be honest?

Spaceland: I understand that what this makes is to improve our sense of humour.. and we start laughing more etc. Good point!!

MX407 (CTTM2): The people feels attracted and starts talking to me… so I suppose it would work as a IO reinforcement.

A314: to feel more confident.

So, initially (correct me guys if I am wrong) what would be good:

2X IO, 3X IS, 3X Spaceland, 1X MX407, 2X A314 (there are 5 products there… I’m afraid that would be too much, right??).

Clubbing mix 02: Experiment with TUTH, Ammunition, IS, MX 407 and Spaceland.

University parties mix o3: Experiment with Ammunition, IS, Spaceland.

Im afraid it was a very big post… :confused::confused::open_mouth:

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Welcome! You found the right place!

Hi estravaganzza.

It’s a superb intro post, dude! :wink: The gc is yours, don’t forget it. The sweet Mickaelia don’t need more as 24 hours for that.

Yeah, I like Spain and Bracelona really much, the country, the city and the football… You must be a lucky guy…
Loool this clip is poor shit marketing, I would also dissapointed with this promotion… :smiley:

Yes, we are all crazy in a positive way here, it’s mone madness!!! :pBut we also nice and we help us each other. No worries, you find the right place.

Do you know pick up, PUA stuff like David DeAngelo? Try it, it’s perfect for your self-confidence and social skills, together with the right mones is this a superb tool. Mones are more effective if you are more congruent with them. I mean with your personality.

For your shyness and bad thinking try Instant Shine, it’s a mood booster and party maker. And or A314 for a better self-confidence and high value + respect, but alone maybe to intimidating. Perfect also for workplace, try it with social buffers like IO or IH. You can also add Instant Shine.

You have a very sad life story, I’m really sorry dude. :(Yes, it’s true mones are a tool, not more, not less. But you have the right attitude. I think you make it!!! :wink::slight_smile:

For clubbing take TUTH to the combos. Alone to intimidating for younger women, but in a mix/combo, yeah!!!

Clubs:

Ammo + IO + Instant Shine and TUTH. IH is also a option.

Daytime/Uni:

Ammo + IO + Instant Shine or for more value A314 for Ammo

Party/fun:

Instant Shine + Ammo + IO + IH

MX407 can maybe sub for IO and IH.

Have a super time here on the board and with the mones and rock Barcelona!!! :wink::stuck_out_tongue::slight_smile:

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hi there,

Economics must be pretty fun.Barcelona should be an interesting place to live.Haha,yeah.A lot of the pheremones on the market are marketed stupidly.You wont see women running after you with no free will with pheremones.Haha,its definitely more reliable to read on this forum because even the bad experiences are because of the way they are used rather than the pheremones themselves.The persons behaviour also has to be the same as the vibe your putting out or people get mixed signals similar to if you have the wrong body language while hitting on someone.Heres definitely a good place to learn since everyones helpful and friendly.This was a rather interesting post on what pheremones can do.

What pheromones can and can't do: realistic expectations for newcomers

Haha,im also pretty shy.Us shy guys need to stick together(^_^)Haha, im also trying to change like you but its a hard and long process.Even when we get comfortable enough to open a conversation,we may dry up after a while followed by deadly silence(:-p)Haha,can actually understand the arguing everything.Dont think medication is the solution for that.Thinking a lot is actually a gift.You just have to use it positively and to be curious about everything.Things like psychology and science live on doubts and new ideas.Its always better to try and sort yourself out than to rely on medication to supress the problem rather than deal with it.

haha,we sound pretty similar with the shyness and random things buzzing around in our heads.(><)It gets annoying after a while of all the nonsense floating around.Haha,think everyone comes here for the sexual pheremones first.They are fun but the socials are definitely better for improving peoples lives,maybe mixed with the sexual ones(:-p)Instant openness will be awesome for you to help with the shyness and instant shine may help with the feeling of doubts.If you feel good you will be less doubtful of everything and will doubt things in a more positive light if that makes sense(><)

Sounds like youve had a really hard life.Can see how that could affect your personality.Bullying is always bad for our types of personality also,people just dont understand.Haha,actually instant gentleman and instant openness would probably be a good mix for you.It will give you the leader vibe and make people more chatty around you.Instant gentleman is out of stock at the moment but it will be back shortly so you may want to wait for it.Haha,its true that they wont make you the leader or sociable but they can help with it.If the mood and vibe is set,all it takes is a little effort to live up to it.For your new academic year,since your pretty young.Instant gentleman,instant shine and instant openness would be good pheremones for you to start with.Will give you a confident leader vibe and make people more talkative around you.

For clubbing and a sexual mix you could try,ammo mixed with instant shine but would be careful with the dosage so you dont overdose on none or it will have the opposite effect.Parties also,instant gentleman and instant shine would be good with maybe a little bit of ammo as a recommendation.

Since your pretty young i would go with

Social mix:instant gentleman,instant shine and instant openness

Instant gentleman is basically a314 with a slight more relaxed vibe.A314 may come across as a bit intimidating for a social mix

Spaceland is gone and the mx are not recommended for new members.

Clubbing mix and party mix:instant gentleman,instant shine and maybe some ammo

TUTH may come across badly and may scare off people instead.You should use it for relationships or to seal the deal but not in a normal mix,particularly since you 19 and are probably already producing a lot of your own pheremones.

Youll be getting a 25$ gift certificate so will make it easier to afford some to-gos for your first purchase.Also recommend that you read a couple of the stickies below if you havent already.All the best and hope you have an awesome time with pheremones and im sure you will feel right at home here.

An Introduction to Mones: Names, Size, Strength, Use, Effects & Duration

The Snook's big book o' pheros for rookies

Updated AndroticsDirect Pheromones for newbies

Phero color chart by MuskCloud: a visual guide to choosing mixes

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Hi Estravaganza

that´s an Intro .. WOW

Looks like you´ve digged through the whole Forum …

i´m impressed .. you´re going to get this thing right

and you´d get fantastic advice by the boys ..

Johnny Hard laid it out perfectly …

you should follow his advide !

best start will be to get a few products and play around with them … this way you´re getting a good feeling for what works …

do not spend to much time thinking about a perfect combo yet …

the products are designed to work on their own … and they do

a buddy of mine who was a virgin did get his first girlfriend with Ammo … and it was a real hottie from Venezuela

this lucky … a… you know

As for the PU - stuff …

i like Ross Jeffries too … he has an fantastic inner Game programm …

Pago

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Hola Estravaganzza.

Bienvenido al foro!

I see you have done lots of reading, and also been given some great advice, so there´s very little left to be said.

AMMO, IG, IS, IO, TUTH and IH are great products. I would also suggest you to take a look at MX297. I´ve found it´s a beast for social situations. 3 sprays make me feel centered and very self assured, and people seems to be more than eager to talk to me. Add some AMMO and some IS and you have also a great attraction combo. I´ve used in a couple of parties (at least 8 hours long) and has always work like a charm.

I start the evening with three sprays MX297, and after 4 or even 5 hours refresh with one spray MX297+ 1XAMMO and 2XIS, and at that point the real fun begins. You also have to play your part and work the room. Start by the gentleman and gradually start hitting the ladies. When you put on the AMMO+Shine, they will start flocking around you like crazy. Add some more AMMO and IS as needed. Just be carefull not to overdo AMMO, as you are a young guy and almost sure you will be producing enough androstenone.

If you want to get a hot MILF, TUTH seems to be a better choice, but have not already tried it.

BCN is a great town, packed with hot girls. There´s a bar at Plaza Real, i don´t remember it´s name, that´s perfect for trying new mixes. If you are into electronic music, Razzmatazz is also a great place, though people tend to get really high there and it´s a bit of a mess for my taste. If you like rock and indie music, go to Sala Apolo or Sala Sidecar. There are so many great places all around the city… Only by staying in BCN you can have lots of fun. Add mones and you are going to have the time of your life. Don´t forget to do some studying also.

Hope this helps.

Talk to you soon.

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Thank you all of you guys!!! U have given me a very warm wellcome!! I think u are wrong… today I’m not wearing IO :stuck_out_tongue:

Now serious, haha:

JohnnyHard: Love the football team… not just for the quality they have… but for the morals they have acheived with their effort. For me, their coach is an example of an Alpha Male. I read a bit of PUA… but not a lot of it. This year I improved myself a lot precisely by this. I had the luck to know here PUAs that have taught me a lot of things… now I am a completely different person… But I do not took it in a “seductive” way. I made improvements in my life, tried to make my hobbies a reality, winning confidence, and so on… because for me the really seduction is in there. Here in Spain we have a community that offers “classes” and a great stuff free. There is a guy that copied mistery’s book and says that all that theory is of her own and wants only to make money… But, on the other side of the coin, we have a very good group of people that make a lot of good things for free for us… great people!! honestly, they make me what I am know. Without them I wouldnt be even a normal person!! I wont finish to say thank you to them for all the things they have given to me in my life!! They maybe will not like to see me in here cause this is probably seen from the outside: “u picked them up just by the pheros”!! but thats not true!! We are what we are. If we want to be sociable, to pick up, this is a tool more. Ok, it gives us a help that we wouldn’t have without this product… but the ones who achieve their objectives are us!!

In Spain we see seduction not in a sexual view… We give more importance to the human evolution, improvements, etc. I’m surethat in the US is like that as well, but we have that guy in here that gives us a bad vision!! For us is not so improtant to know picking up good… the values are the most improtant thing a person has… and it is about building a good life, being honest with you, make good thing fr the people… the other just comes when you are in the right way and u know what u want and fight for it.

To have an idea, just read one book (first one of Style)… and didn’t read more. Just practice with my friends there… but didn’t get much improvement in seducing (being honest, I didnt spend a lot of time on it).. but this year one of my objectives is improving.. sooo.. we’ll see how it goes, hommie.

About my life… u dont have to be sorry man, its not ur fault. I even dont thing it is bad… it made me the person I am… Before that maybe i didn’t think about the important things… but that put me in a situation where precisely that was a must. My personality became a bit depressed… but we are here to fight to acheive what we want… but maybe, if I didnt pass that difficulties, I wouldnt have the morals and the attitude that I have today. I think that people are only capable to acheive what they want when they know what to loose means!!

btw, the first impression I have from u is very possitive. I like the way u express things and u seem a very good person. Nice to meet u!! :wink:

Looifookmeng: I have read all the articles u have there unless the one about the colors (I am exhausted men… I have run in the morning, then read a book and the articles in here, then prepare the suitcase as tomorrow I’m flying to Miami, playing basketball, more reading…) and they are SO INTERESTING. The one about what pheros can or can’t do is exactly the same point of view that I have.

Look, all the ones that are in here have ethics… for me is the most important thing in the world. And… honestly, if pheros were like a magic potion that give me everything without effort… I wouldn’t be here. It wouldnt be for me the best form to fullfil my objectives.. I want to fight, to make my efforts, to grow as a person… because the most important thing in life is not the second before dying when seeing ur achievements but all the moments that form ur path… all the values that u get when acting to acheive things. Look, in live u have 2 beleive in what u want and in ur possibilities and give thank u for all the opportunities that life gives us.

Pheros just help us, but the ones who are there fighting for our dreams and objectives are us… We can have the things more easily or not, but if we do nothing we get nothing.

If we really similar then we will have to give a lot of support between us men!! :wink: I want to be in touch with you by PM in order to redularly know how are u feeling, how are u going, what thigns are u doing to enrich yourself. In fact, we both can make a group and, weekly/monthly/whatever we can tell the others our plans to reach our little goals… I think we can be more effective like that :stuck_out_tongue:

Pagodeiro: Ammo does that?? want that for sure, haha. Love latinas :stuck_out_tongue: What I have thought is getting not the to go but the ibg ones of: Ammo, IG, IH, IO, IS… and may be thinking about the A314 to go one. It will be a big inversion… u know, for having the bottles 6 months r so (if each bottle has aprox. 200 sprays I think most of them will last a year… but IO and IS may be less, about 6 months). thanks for the wellcome!!!

extraballislit: ké tal?? jajaja, sabes español, ké bueno figura!! Seguiré tu journal a ver ke tal!!

I will definitely go to the places u are suggesting… and think about getting that MX u told me… it seems interesting!! Getting in touch as well, men!!

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I wanted t write this in a different post.

Thank you all for this wellccome!! Seriously, I liked it.

Just wanted u to know :smiley:

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Yes, you are right not only the players and the system, the team, the personality of each one, but especially for what the total club stands is admirable. :wink:

It’s absolute right what you are describe, this is real pick up, pick up 2.0. Your own personality is important, your goals, the attitude to life. And you must be authentic. The rest comes from self. I love the Spanish, or better the Hispanic attitude to life. I see the PUA technique only as a tool for my own lifestyle. Many people see this stuff as a mechanic and obsessive behaviour. They are not authentic. By the way I’m german.

It made you to the person you are now. Great mindset dude. :wink: But it’s sad that your are resp. back then so depressive. But it’s logic and I know that the relationship to Hispanic parents (resp. the total family) is often much more intensive. I love this friendliness.

“I think that people are only capable to acheive what they want when they know what to loose means!!” You say it!

I like you also dude, I wish you all the very best. :wink:

The community need much more people like you!

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Hey, estravaganzza!

No sólo sé español. ¡Soy español!:smiley: El journal lo tengo un poco abandonado, pero espero darle un empujón a mediados de mes. Si tienes cualquier duda, mandame un PM y te contesto en castellano, que me sale mejor y tengo que pensarlo menos. Eso sí, a la vuelta de vacaciones, eh…:cool:

It´s cool to see someone who lives in spain in the forum. I think there are many spanish speakers around pherotalk, but most of them from south america and the USA. Anyway, we use english to communicate, as there´s many people who does not undesrtand spanish.

Believe me. You are going to have lots of fun with mones. You will never forget your first year in college! I´ve only been using mones for about 12 weeks, but i´m loving every moment. Defineitelly, they will help you with your social objectives.

IG is a great product, but currently is out of stock. You should keep an eye on the store to see when it´s back. I think it will work great for someone your age and in your situation. I would suggest you to get some A314 alcohol spray, so youcan give androsterone a try. Both IG and A314 are androsterone based, although they have different buffers.

Hope this helps. Talk to you soon.

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Hi again,

Thats awesome that you read all the articles already.Very few people take time to read the beginner information and it actually covers a lot of the bases.The colors one is just about what vibe different mixes give.That sounds like a really busy morning.Hope you dont get too overtired.They are pretty interesting,was fun to read them the first time.Glad that we agree on the point of view on pheromones.I personally wouldn’t want anything that can be gotten completely without effort.A lot of people come here expecting a miracle potion and go away disappointed when its not as powerful as they expected.

Yup,its definitely what happens before that makes us.We woulnt be us if we hadn’t done the things to bring us here an it makes us a better person from it.Its definitely a more fulfilling feeling when youve worked for something rather than when you get it free.Haha,i dont mind pm’ing once in a while with you to see how your going.Haha,mine is a lot less lately though.I find i think a lot less when i keep myself busy and although i still doubt a lot of things,doing hobbies that im good at keeps me happy so my doubts are more positive than negative(><)Still have the shyness but hasn’t really come up lately since im quite busy at work and hobbies so dont have to socialize that much(><)Haha,we could make a group.That would be rather fun.Wonder what we should call it.(:-p)

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Welcome to pherotalk extravaganza!

When it comes to assisting persons who are shy we are at the top of our game and I can see your thread generated so much chat with the fellas and you will continue to get more feedback in the men section.

If you ask me thinking too much or what I call actually thinking is never a bad thing and you don’t need medication for it unless it has become a hazard to you.

Most persons don’t think at all and so maybe you are just over thinking for those who don’t and are one of those who have a creative mind.

In everything we should have a balance so try to find other persons or natural methods to rationalize and balance your thinking.

That is just my 2 cents.

Your gc was issued! :wink: