Ya… fine… but why go around seething ? Human nature is a DNA driven constant over tens, possibly hundreds of thousands of years… we are, for better or worse, extra smart monkeys… well, primates, monkeys with speech… we have the evolutionary remains of monkey values, monkey attitudes, monkey craziness.… utopians through the ages have tried innumerable schemes to un-monkey our limbic systems… such as the advent of religions… the great effort to shape monkey consciousness… the early christinan church took great issue with the monkey self, one should turn away from the world, the sins of the flesh, and learn to despise one’s desires and urges as godless temptation… lusty pagans got on their nerves, and certainly the later stages of imperial rome was hypnotized with disgusting public spectacle of monkeyness, hunky gladiators hacking each other to pieces while the emperator howled with laughter and threw grapes at them… either solution to the monkey problem, total indulgence or total denial, was bound to lead to one catastrophe or another… so we’ve arrived at late phase adjustment to our monkey selves, Prozac or Zoloft for the monkey mind out of balance, lots of tempting monkey love on teevee, or monkey thrilling violent sports, or we can hang out with swingers (hmmmm… “swingers”… from branches maybe ?) or go to the club and paw each other, or enjoy “animalistic” sex… not so far from our cave dwellings, are we now ?
First off: Do NOT allude to Paganism unless you are well-versed - please.
Secondly: It is extremely rude to state that you see women of 40 as “unfinished,” and like it or not, all you come off as, is pompous. Your shining intellect counts for very little when snide comments prevaricate.
I thoroughly enjoy reading your posts, and you are highly intelligent, but you go a bridge too far with your insults on occasion, and yes, I take extreme exception to your comment.
I am anything but “unfinished” and that is not going to change in the next few months.
Stop using sweeping generalisations, and make the point that you see SOME women of 40 as being “a bit unfinished,” or you will find yourself in a cold place, where you are viewed as narrow-minded.
This is a friendly forum with lively debates, and that makes it fun and also very interesting, but there is no place for base insults, and that is what you basically just did. You insulted those of us women approaching that age - and there are indeed several of us in that boat here at Androtics.
Think a bit before you put fingers to keyboard - please.
Ail.
i know tacitus does not need anyone to come to his defense and i will not try. i understood his use of ‘unfinished’ as a relative term. as he has gotten older, women (and it should apply to men as well) of that age do not seem as polished as when he were, say, twenty. or was he trying to say that people are now maturing at a slower rate, as in the phrase ‘forty is the new thirty?’
Do you think his reply to me indicated that?
I don’t, and I am certainly no-less polished than I was at 20 - I am probably a great deal more so.
I like you a lot thenoser, and I like Tacitus, but insults as I said, do NOT have a place on a forum where we are all on a learning curve, and we are all having a fun time making that journey.
We all know if we want to get insulted and/or belittled there is another place we could go, but many of us came here from there BECAUSE of such gumff..
Ail.
to tell you the truth, i did not really know what to make of his reply… i guess you could consider me unfinished.
Ignore this foolishness… Scots are a little nuts… I should know, being one myself
this is our national passtime, we get intoxicated with our self righteousness... it’s our collective character flaw, we gotta chip on our shoulder from eons of foreign occupation… we just bug out about perceived insults, we really do… and half the time they were never intended as such… I’m constantly on my guard when I visit, I have been taken the wrong way so many times… these daft celts are, shall we say, loaded for bear… You have heard of the famous Hatfield vs McCoy feud in West Virginia ? Started in the scottish highlands and migrated with them to the new world… fookers just don’t know when to give it a rest.. thank God for my Welsh ancestors who knew when to chill out and lay low… 
I am a Scot. Born and bred. I am NOT from the US, and I do NOT subscribe in any way to the belief that belittling and/or insulting people is just an aspect of life.
It is NOT my national passtime to be self-righteous, and if you are being taken the wrong way, then YOU and you alone are perpetrating the “myth” by your rudeness.
That’s all.
Ail 
No my dear… you are hearing things that aren’t there… a form of emotional hallucination… look, I know Americans and I know Scots and I know Scot Americans… and I know, right down to my toes, exactly where you’re coming from, better that you yourself, because I can see the situation from two distinct cultural perspectives (I said this just to especially piss you off, and I know for sure it will…which will be great fun all around…) … Scots have the hearing of a bat when it comes to an insult … they even have special perceptual powers that will unerringly ferret out the veiled insult… and a third eye for the sugar coated veiled insult…. they think in terms of what is and what isn’t an insult, its our grand neurosis, sweetheart… and we just get stewed on the subject… a Scot will NOT be belitttled, EVER, causus belli there, of course , we see arrogance in everybody else… we have delicate arrogance feelers with special arrogance sensors… we do things on principle, baby, oh do we ever, and boy we do never love to bend to another’s will, nor be beholden to anyone, ever… my lancashire relatives have one kind of sensitivity, and the edinbugh another… but always and forever their fine bat’s ears for the tone of what’s being said, always ready to challenge an assumed implication… and frequently jumping to half assed conclusions… misreading, badly, mishearing, filling in from their own suspicions… it’s our narrow minded curse Miss Ail, our parochialism, our albatross, the thing that all to frequently makes fools of us…
Wisdom does not bear a gender, nor age. It’s how we choose, and fight our daily battles, with ourselves & others, that counts.
i2w
Geeez.. look at how the heats been turned up with this subject alone. lol.
How important are looks? Well no more important than a persons personality or how much he owns or what he’s good at doing. Look at the outside world and how it best responds to what. Also depends on what groups you want to associate with.
If you truly want to appear as a “beautiful person” to the masses.. of people of all walks of life.. then having a decent outer image as well as a good personality is both essential. No one is more important, because they all play their roles.
I have found that people who ignore things like Looks and are say all about personality lead their lives a certain way.. are only willing to live a certain way. I like living a more complete life.. I do not like being limited=) and yes.. there is no point in going against human nature.
what are wearing in this moment…
how attractive are a person’s looks?
different for both genders, apparently.
how effective are the pheromones we wear when we debate?
i must say, i have debated on TE/w, TAH, IH, SOE/w, and Isexi.
everyone gets the benifit if i wear IH.
if i wear TAH , i may be persuaded to allow another view,lol
Soe/w, im unlikely to focus on the debate at hand,lol
TE/w, ISEXI… you dont stand a chance 
***appologies are not in everyones vocabulary, nomatter how it was meant to be taken. manners are aquired, and have to be used regularly ,as to not atrophy.
these are not taught overnight.
Heh.. I’m wearing TUTH.. it makes me impulsive and I don’t have time to think =)
Yeah I agree with Rob.
Look I dont want to belittle Lor or Ail cause I really enjoy their contributions but I do think looks matter to both men and women!
Personality is definitely the deal-breaker when it comes to relationships, but looks do matter, even to most (but not all) women.
What about all those women who will not go for a man shorter than them. Or what about all those women who wont go for Asian men (even Australian-born Asian men I am talking about). Sure, if they get to know them they may go for them - but initially it is very hard for these men to get their foot in the door - they are pre-judged because they don’t look ‘acceptable’. Even women who don’t have all that much going for them can be like that.
And the thing is it isn’t that hard to take care of your looks and be at your best. Drink lots of water, take good quality multivitamins, eat a healthy diet, regular exercise (and it doesn’t have to be the gym!), use decent beauty products. Ive seen plenty of 40 year-old+ women that look fine because they do most of these things.
We (men) are pretty visual, some of us maybe too much so.
Visionary
There is lots of generalisations in the comments above.
I can not speak for a whole age group, gender, or generation. I’ll speak of myself and my close associations, and keep my mind open to others’ points of view.
Not everyone below 35 is into looks only, and not everyone over 40 has suddenly become someone else.
And, just a passing comment re women 40+. The earth need not existed if they were not here … How complete the few dozens of them (yes, I’m bad that way) can be, in their personality, maturity, and attractiveness. They have what it takes to be a brilliant companion, supporter, or lover.
hahaha
again, :
: you are talking about a specific kind of woman, not the majority. you dont see whats available because you dont want whats available…you want what you want… so alot of things are left out of your perception.
i find it funny that women say “this is what i look for, this is how i am " and only men say no no not true. we do not try to say your wrong- your not the way you are!
it would appear to me then that men create a game-plan , all kinds of terminology over game and this is how ya get a girl bs over their misunderstanding of themselves and what they really want.
i mean, how hard is it to admit " i only want sex,therefore im looking for a specific kind of girl, and she has to look this way” . but that kind of girl is looking for the exact same thing (like attracts like) and doesnt want YOU because your not meeting specific requirements. then you get cranky and think “all women are this way” ,lol.
and we women are instinctually programmed to sniff out shallowness.
some women will infact go for it. they are in fact younger. some are eyecandy. but shallow goes for shallow and you better be up to the challenge of looking equally as grand as they because they have better looking shallow people to choose from,lol ,so i guess it isnt fair that you are short or asian or whatever else you blame
point is that the majority of people (both genders) arent looks first/looks in the door. sometimes it would appear that way if personality is being expressed thru dress or appearance (tattoos may turn a person on because its speaks of opinions-art-freedom-ect).
the generalities spoken of here are perpetuated by people who are on a forum for self-improvement of some kind or fun. those that want improvement would of course be fearful of not being what the other gender wants. those here for fun aspects think the generalities are silly.
On a serious note .. Try wearing it a dozen days in a row like I did, the effects on you may subside, and you end up with your normal self, but the effects on TUTH on others remain the same.
RP is starting to look the same, just takes longer than a week to adapt self. Jury still out.
I think that Lor is absolutely correct…the importance of looks varies from gender to gender and person to person. However, just like a lot of things in life, I feel that the importance that we place on looks has a lot to do with how we were raised. I personally was raised in such a way that I value the inside more than the outside, and that looks will no more “get a man’s foot in the door” with me than anything else. I will give any man a chance, if they want one.
That is not to say that I cannot appreciate a fine male form, but it goes no further with me than thinking “he is hot” or “he looks fine”…I have had enough experiences to know that a relationship cannot be sustained by looks alone. Taking care of one’s body and staying fit can ward off the aging process, but at some point, nature WILL take over. So, that said, I guess the importance of looks would also depend on what the person is looking for…do you want a one-night stand with a real “hottie”? A date that will turn heads? Or something long term and emotionally fulfilling?
A couple of years ago, I dated a man who was “finer than frog hair”, with a body and looks that many men would give their right testicle for. But, whenever he opened his mouth, I wanted to run…he had an ego as large as his biceps, and everything was “all about him”…he is 37 years old, and never been married…he is looking for Barbie, as he considers himself to be Ken. No woman has ever measured up for him, or been “good enough” for him to consider being with them for the long term. And, in the end, it has all been about their appearance…he always finds one who looks better…the grass is always greener somewhere else. It shocked him when I dumped him and explained to him that it had nothing to do with how he looked…
Well, I know this post was long and boring, but I thought I should weigh in on the issue…
i think thats happening with alot of the mixes im wearing… i back off when i hear a sneeze lol.
i’m willing to bet he obsesses over you.
when a guy thinks he got the recipe down and someone deep throws them for a loop, your all he can think about. i dumped a “hot” guy and he went to all my friends asking what my problem was. i said no problem here,lol.
Where is your adventerous self ?.
I don’t back off, it is fun.