Hey folks, It’s been a while since I’ve dabbled with mones. I have a few questions to ask.
I have bottles of IS, IO, IH, IG, and A314 that are 2 years old, are they still good?
Also, this time around, I want to use mones to get laid. What do you guys suggest?
About me,28 years old, 5’7, 145 pounds VERY athletic. I am successful financially and career wise. As far as my personality goes, In business I am a sure fire bet and winner, but when it comes to regular social situations I am considered a “nice guy”. I have no problems approaching women, I don’t have any anxiety, I’m just not sure how to make that connection to get things to the next level.
My goal is to get laid. In return for advice from this forum, I will once again keep a dedicated journal on here to share my experiences with others.
As long as you keep them out in the sun, your mones should be good.
I suggest you try some TUTH. If you don’t have approach anxiety, and you’re already sociable, just get some TUTH. You may notice more rejections, but when you do get a lady interested that doesn’t mind the TUTH, you’ll know she’s okay with getting physical sooner rather than later.
How many Sprays of TUTH would you guys suggest? Should I combo it with AMMO?
Last night, I was at a local bar, very hip and trendy. I had 1 drop of A314 and 2 shots of IS, I opened the whole bar and talked to everyone. I noticed a few guys who were very riled up by my presence, I almost got into a fight twice just by being near them. One guy got really hostile just because I was looking at the chick he was with. I have no problem with defending myself and standing my ground, but I rather not look like a fool starting shit in a bar I go to every week. So I put my hand directly on his shoulder and told him I didn’t know they were with him and he should have a good night, then moved on.
I noticed women were following me around the bar but every time I got close to them, they would back away.
a314 can be a bit too harsh for nighttime usage. It gives off a very high status vibe that can give women the idea “he’s too good for me.” It sounds like you’ve already got a good alpha status going so I would say Ammo as it’s a well rounded product. It has the socials and a bit of none in it to give it a sexual vibe. Stick with the IS, it’s good stuff. Personally I have had mixed results with it but some people here swear by it.
Erm. All the other guys that posted advice are much more experienced than me so take my views with a pinch of salt but honestly, if you are 28 years old, very athletic and financially successful do you seriously even need pheromones?
To me it just sounds like you just don’t know how to escalate. With all due respect, you need better game, in your case I would recommending reading some PUA literature and of course practicing. This is just my humble opinion however.
I just don’t see how pheromones are going to help you. If you are 28 and very athletic, you should already be producing an abundance of -none and if you are financially successful you should appear to be high status anyway so I don’t see how Ammo, TUTH or even A314 are going to help you. Wearing any of these is going to make you even more intimidating to boot.
Also, you said that you were okay at breaking the ice and are already considered a nice guy, so that pretty much cuts out Instant Shine, IO, IH and IG.
Guys probably don’t like you staring at their girls because they consider you a viable threat. I notice this as well when I wear A314, when I am with couples, the guy usually becomes hell of a lot more defensive. Think about it. If a loser started hitting on your girl, would you care? No, because he doesn’t have a chance.
I am not saying that you shouldn’t use pheromones, you definitely should. I am just saying that pheromones are probably not the most effective solution.
Apu - You make a lot of sense. I first bought these mones 2 years ago when I was much overweight and had not developed my success in my career. I am considered a nice guy because I don’t have the confidence of a jerk or a guy who knows how to tease a girl. I am pretty much serious. Most of my life I have not been around women much. I am just starting to go out weekly. You can consider me a nerd that is just finally breaking out. As far as where I live, I’m on the west coast of the USA.
Mystery Method is a good place to start. Personally I’m not into gaming women, it’s just not my thing but studying up on PUA is a good way to understand the psychology behind flirting and seduction which can be very helpful.
Then A314 is the exact opposite of what you want, that makes you come across much more serious and LTR material instead of one night stand material. If you’re looking to get more physical, definitely Ammo or TUTH, but go easy on the doses, let me look up a thread you might find useful.
I know you are probably like me in the fact that you want to stay anonymous, but it would be a good idea to go post some photos of yourself on some site like Reddit to receive some feedback on your looks. Don’t forgot to wear clothes that you would go out with and also don’t use any weird camera angles or only take a photo of your top half or something to cheat. It doesn’t matter if they rate you poorly, you just need to know how you can improve and whether or not you look good.
2b. Especially considering you come across as serious, don’t dress like an accountant when you go out.
Definitely, as 2000GT recommended, read the Mystery Method. There are many many PUAs all with their own strategies and ideas but I think the Mystery Method is one of the best. When reading it you are probably going to go through a stage of denial as probably most people, including myself, went through and say ‘There is no way this crap actually works. Women are not like this at all.’ Well, incredibly my friend, the Mystery Method definitely does work. There is even a TV show about it if you are interested.
If you haven’t been around women, even as a friend, you should brush up on your ability to interpret body language. This is very important. Women aren’t going to explicitly say everything, in fact, you can get a lot more information from their body language than you can from the words coming out of their mouth. If you feel that you are not very knowledgeable on this matter I would recommend something along the lines of Amazon.com: The Definitive Book of Body Language (9780553804720): Barbara Pease, Allan Pease: Books
You mentioned you were ‘financially successful’. I am not sure whether this means you have enough to pay the bills or that you are rich. If you are rich I seriously advise you to communicate this fact. (Don’t brag though.) No matter what people say, one of women’s greatest turn-ons is still and always will be money and success. Wear clothes that communicate you are financially successful and have a good sense of fashion. You want everything to look good, but shoes and watch are the most important. I get ridiculous amounts of girls, a lot who I don’t know, compliment my Dolce & Gabbana shoes. When you get a good opener with a girl, it’s a great feeling, when the girl OPENS WITH YOU it’s better than sex. Their guard is down because it was them who initiated conversation with you.
If you have a good body remember to wear tight-fitting clothes, not Jersey Shore-esque, but tight enough to make it apparent to all those interested that you take good care of yourself.
My personal statement, would be dont get in to all the “pua” stuff alot of it is gimmics, if you really want to learn how to develop personal magnetism and be more natural, listen to corry sky or get his products.Seriously.
He admitted in one of his videos saying he didnt “attract” money in to his life such as Women. He teaches the real deal he is an authentic human being. A real Alpha who teaches real stuff.
I just checked out Cory Skyy on youtube he has some good stuff. Keep the suggestions coming guys! Also, picked up a copy of Venusian Arts from mystery that’s good stuff also!
I was exactly in the same situation as yours. I would avoid reading up too much stuff in the beginning because it can do more harm than good. You’ll eventually end up with a lot of knowledge without reference experience. Most of the PUA stuff is misleading and very hyped up, in reality it’s not so easy to get laid, and your mind plays tricks on you.
It’s important to do something NOW, anything, before reading a lot of stuff. By just trying something, it doesn’t matter if you succeed or not, by doing it you gain confidence or become even more motivated to succeed.
As on how to get laid quick, club game is the fastest: I’d suggest you put your 2-3X IG, 2-3X IS + 2-3X IO + 1x IH on, go the club, hit up the dance floor and start approaching women. You might get rejected in the beginning, keep at it until you get it right. You could attract a women by dancing with her, for a basic dance move lesson check out this video: How to Start Freak Dancing (Approach #2) - YouTube
When you find somebody that’s attracted to you, go for the kiss, dance a little bit more, then start leading her. Women will not go home with you if you don’t lead, for example, ‘let’s go the bar, let’s sit for a bit and talk etc…’ as for the connection, qualifiy her by showing interest in her as a person so she knows that you like her for her instead of just wanting to sleep with her. It’s not her responsibility to get laid, it’s yours, you can’t wait for her to pull the trigger. When you sense that she’s comfortable with you and she’s following you on the little things, tell her that you want to get out of here and go some place else. Grab her hand and lead the way.
These are just basic points, try them and later you could read up more on the advanced stuff.
I don’t think either Cory or Mystery are selling gimmicks, They are just two men with different approaches to teaching the same thing. I think the problem arises when people follow these gurus to the letter.
I feel they both have beneficial information to share you just need to take what they teach and apply it to your personality and life style. Not follow it but integrate it into your persona, make it uniquely your own.
Its the same with pheromones really. We can teach you what they are, what basic behavior patterns each one influences and how best to use them but you have to integrate them into your life style, take what works for you and go with it and leave behind that which doesn’t fit you.
Being a complete “man-in-full,” is the cornerstone in my opinion. You need to feel that in your gut and believe in yourself. Then be willing and able to present that confidence in one’s self to the world. Understanding the difference between pleasure and satisfaction is a first step.
The PUA stuff delves into the manipulative (aka leadership) techniques that have some applicability, much like a dog catcher needs to understand canine psychology to catch dogs. However tactically useful, it is a bit shallow.
A good understanding of the evolutionary biology behind gender roles and interests will make one more accepting of what you want to do and how women play their game according to their interests. A good site for that is:
No matter how frustrating women can be, it helps to respect that they have their interests which neither you nor they will change. Find where your interests and any specific woman’s interest intersect and you’ll find and give satisfaction.
Even though this recommendation isn’t for everyone, you should go with a high-class escort / prostitute (the ones who charge $500 per hour) and spend a couple of hours with her.
She will teach you things about the female persona, hone your sexual technique, etc.. that will help you massively. Once you have confidence in that area, that confidence will transmit itself onto your own persona and you will automatically (subconciously) escalate to more physical involvement!
Remember, there is a HUGE difference between the high-class escorts and the ones you see on the street.
PS86651, Great job thinking out of the box. Even though I have lots of money, I really don’t think that’s the way I want to spend it. Wouldn’t that mean I would need an escort every single time I go out?
