well to be sincere and truthfully as a man can be:
a possible explanation could be from rational point of view (not regarding to you in person)
IF a woman sight/face/body/openly and sexually character doesnt meet his criteria a woman could use a lot OD of all those pheros and would still not attract him at all.
What a person defines as ugly and unfitting to his personal standards will never be influenced by the Pheros. it just gives a nudge (the famous 90:10 ration)
Except u give the man a bottle Vodka then he can be persuaded to a lot things
bottom line: maybe ( i don´t know you!) your optic presence doesnt fit the mens standard. also there could be a lot of other factors (shyness, being a emo)
If so i dunno what you could do there except for the crazy stuff (beauty operations, fat suckings, diet) which repels a lot men too and doesnt help. But there is always someone fitting to be found, so there is always hope
These are somethings u have to live with…
update: as there are to much ppl here who cant “understand” a text, here the special note: i did in no way refer to the original poster as a person.
i just stated a typical man´s view and perception mostly because of biology and genetics. It has not to be the real reason for the bad luck of her.
Ugh. I wish I could delete that post Trantorx, it really isn’t helpful or even a worth while read. No matter your idea of attractiveness or unattractiveness there are many others that don’t share your opinion or tastes.
I’d have to go back and read your posts to find your products and the amounts you applied and so on Copycat. Care to make it easy for me and give a quick summarization?
With out knowing what you’ve worn I would suggest starting over with just instant openness or instant honesty and wearing consistently until they’ve trained you to be more socially aware. A smidgen of taf can also be helpful and eye opening if you’re just missing what is going on around you.
that was completely unnecessary. she posted her concerns up and i’m sure she is a beautiful person inside and out. i really feel that you would edit or delete your post and issue an apology.
inkling whats your problem with my statement? (which was just a objective opinion in GENERAL without any personal direction. I specifically noted that i do NOT know her, so i don´t know if there are any beauty issues or just bad luck)
i just stated the hard truth as most of the men see it (regarding their view on potential partners) and thats what the original poster asked here for.
Or is it better to lie here and tell everybody :“NO its not you, its always the others fault…”
that might be the “american way” to handle complicated issues, a thing which we europeans don´t like at all. We prefer the direct truth.
And boy there are a lot of hard truths in life you have to swallow.
I too have to swallow the fact, that 80 % of the women/men are intimidated and repelled by my incredible negative aura (though it is alphalike) when they see me the first time (which thank god disperses very fast after knowing me deeply better)
But who cares i never asked any other ppl for their “liking me”
BTW will soon report my test with A314 (got it today) and Alpha7.
I am curious how it will be compared to my TUTH.
remmy i would advise you to read and please understand what i posted, at first before complaining? or why do you accuse me of things i didnt even do.
** i just offered a possible explanation of an objective point of view ( i am a studied and practising psychotherapist! so i have a lot of experience in this field) for her unsuccessful try out with the pheros! and thats what she wanted/asked for**
i specifically said i don´t know her, so she can surely be a beauty inside or outside or not.
doh…i really dislike those politically correct ones who like to misinterpret everything…
Remmy is not the one not misunderstanding the point here. You’ve posted an offensive, potentially damaging and certainly not helpful reply in the womens section to forum member requesting help.
inkling please we are not in the kindergarten here, we try to help the original poster with his question.
So a question was asked (possible reasons for having no sucess) and answered rationally as i can as a psychotherapist experience.
You would be suprised :There are a lot of women who don´t understand mentality of a man and are glad to hear a rational explanation.
AND there was nothing offensive in it at all! dunno where you get this crazy idea. Is that an american thing to be offensed by rational things/statements for no reason?
And by the way we should advise the original poster to the fact that seasons have a big influence on mens behaviour.
In the spring i assume pheros will work much better than in fall In Germany we have really bad rainy weather here, which affects my clients very negative and depressive as well, which makes them unresponsive to a lot of things.
That could be a very big factor for her misfortune.
Copycat: You’re NOT broken! LOL! It just takes some time to figure out which of the products works for you. Don’t be discouraged. A lot of the time success depends on the environment you’re using the products in. For instance, something that works well at the office may not work as well in a more social setting, and vice versa. I think everyone here has had hits as well as total misses Keep experimenting till you find a product or a combination that you like.
I suppose referencing kindergarten in relation to my response is not an insult either? If you are german I could see the possibility of your words being misunderstood simply because english is not your first language. Otherwise my opinion stands and I do find it insulting that you would relate me to a child while trying to explain away your crass posting.
OMG Copycat, of course you aren’t broken! OR unattractive! I don’t know much about the girlie pheromones so I’ll leave phero advice to Inkling and my name twin__ @remmy__ .
I will guarantee that you pass guys everyday who look at you and think “Man I should say something to her”. For whatever reason they haven’t yet. Guess what? It’s THEIR negativity that is stopping them don’t take that onto yourself. Find something that empowers you and dump those negative thoughts. Stick with these “successful chicks” around here. They rock!
TrantorX didn’t say anything insulting to the person who started the thread. He has never seen her, so how could he possibly have insulted her? She hasn’t saud she felt insulted either, so why are some choosing to put words in her mouth?
Umm… as a mental professional (psychotherapist), shouldn’t Trantorx be a little bit more PC about these things - he’d be driving all his patients into depression otherwise. Besides, it is of my firm belief that personality trumps looks (in the long term anyway) - I’ve seen men with their ahem non classically beautiful looking wives. There’s got to be some sexual attraction there. Good in bed? Money? Explain?
My post did not insinuate that Tantorx insulted Copycat. I do however think his post is garbage, potentially hurtful and in no way helpful. What I do find insulting is how I’ve been replied to.
I’m sorry Copycat I did not mean to take your thread so far off course.
Copycat. Dont give up! It takes many of us several weeks to figure out what works for us. Everyone has to find the right combos that work with their personal signature. Also the personalities of the people around you are experiencing you in a different way (if they already know you), and need some time to adjust subconciously.
Keep plugging away - I know you will see great results soon!
Trantorx: I know that you’re trying to be honest but geeze can you be a little bit more sensitive when you speak. You could make a woman feel even worse with that awful kind of response. If you don’t have anything nice to say, then please, keep your gorgeous mouth shut, thank you.
Copycat!
Pheros just enhance you, the rest you got to work it yourself. Here’s an example if a depressed girl wears instant sexiness B with 20X cops and everytime she meets a guy and she gets pessimistic about how ugly she looks, do you think that a guy would want to be with her? Guys don’t like dealing with those kinds of things unless they’re your friends from the first place.
Oh stop it, with that kind of attitude. If you think you aren’t attractive, then other people wont see you attractive. Hell, I believe that every single women on earth is attractive (skinny or not, pale white british lady or dark chocolate jamaican, frizzy hair or limp hair…etc.) if you’re comparing yourself to celebs, or the blonde girly girl next door…lady, they’ve got make up and push-up bras (or breast implants lol )
Not ALL men go for -only- the looks, believe me. There are also a**holes who go totally for looks because they just want to get laid, period. Do you want to look totally gorgeous to get laid only?
Beauty is not only on the outside, hell, lol, did you know that I never go out with the hottest almost flawless “model”-looking guys? Cause most of them are sooooo fricken boring! Basically most get drunk, wanna get laid with you when they feel like it, and make-out somewhere cause they can’t control their urges, plus they always have a “flavor of the month” with the ladies. And they will only date you if you’re super gorgeous. Blah, that why, I always put those kind of men down.
Whereas, I find that most average looking guys, seem to be more smarter, funny, and friendlier looking, you know what I mean? And I feel more comfortable around them, there is less pressure. I find their personalities so fricken hott, it just shines from the other guys. And I bet most guys feel the same way with the ladies
However, there are some nice hot guys too! I’ve seen some of them going out with “average” looking girls, what I mean by average is that they’re probably intelligent, curvy, not skinny, not outwardly sexy, and most of all, they look like someone you would be friends with. You know what I mean? What can a guy do with a super hott looking girl? Ugh, yea just have sex with her all day. But then it’ll get boring when he asks her make him dinner, and she’s just filing her nails lmao.
All you need is confidence. People make judgement of you on the way you carry yourself. Being negative about yourself is just no good, you’re hurting yourself, you’re discouraging others from talking to you, and you’re wasting your time.
I bet you’re a fuckin’ hot lady. C’mon lady, straighten up with your head up high and a tiny smile, and knock the floor with your stilettos. If none of the men looked at you, come tell me.
There are men out there who can be prejudiced and shallow…I am sure you would not want to be involved with anyone like that. Then there are really great guys out there who are considerate, thoughtful and have brains that really work. It is the same with women as well - some are more shallow others have depth. Surround yourself with people who have depth and good character - your life will be more satisfying and fun.
Try your best to think positively about yourself and life. If that means you write in a journal to release feelings try that. There are also affirmations you can write on stickies and place on places like your bathroom mirror. Another suggestion is start a list of your positive qualities that make you see how lovable you are…i.e. I am - smart, good sense of humor, creative, enthusiastic, helpful…
Everyday add a new positive quality to that list that describes the good person you are…
We live in critical times and occasionally people are unkind, badly mannered and just plain rude - ignore those people they are not worth your time.
Pheromones are awesome but they will not make or break you - just enhance who you are. Use them to enhance the terrrrific person you already are.
OK, before I lash into Trantorx, I’m going to say that you are NOT broken and I want to talk about something that Selva and Shell sort of touched on, but really didn’t delve into. I agree that feeling good about yourself is extremely important in any social setting: If a person projects an attitude of unworthiness, depression, ugliness, or other negative attitude, it is almost certainly going to be at least a little apparent to others, and how can anybody develop a great impression of someone that doesn’t have a good impression of themselves. have a shiny positive attitude and feel good about yourself, and it’s a whole different world.
Something that hasn’t been mentioned at all and which really surprises me, is to talk about congruency. Several examples: TAH projects a kittenish quality, which some of the women compare to Marylin Monroe’ish. While TAL projects more of an alpha and in control woman, that some of the women compare to Angelina Jolie.
If you were to wear TAH, but come across as aggressive, forward and maybe bordering on being full of yourself, that TAH signature would be completely disregarded, as peoples brains would see it as incongruent with your attitude and actions.
On the other hand, if you were to wear TAL, but acted meek, timid and uncomfortable around people, that signature would also be incongruent with what you were projecting. And again, the phero signature would be disregarded.
I have seen a number of guys come to the forum saying they are shy around others and that people walk all over them, and expect that a bottle of A314 is going to be that magic bullet that’s going to completely change not only how others treat them, but also who and what they are.
Pheros will not transform anybody and make them into somebody their not, and they don’t have the ability to overwhelm all the other senses. To get respect you have to earn it, to be approached you have to be approachable, and to be desired you have to feel desirable.
The point being made is to insure that your attitude and actions are not in conflict with the phero signature you’re putting out.
OK, class is over! Now get out there and knock em dead copycat!
Excuse me Mr. Psychotherapist! What gives you the right to speak for most men, or define what the typical man is? You want direct truth, well here it is: You have offended at least a number of the ladies with your negative postings, and at least one man…Me! And, I disagree with your assessment of how most/typical men see things and act.
Yeah I could look at your post and say that I’m one of the few and these statements don’t apply to me, but that was not the spirit in which you wrote the post. You wrote that post with the intention of telling the ladies, or at least copycat, that most of guys are shallow and insensitive.
I’ll grant that you started out by saying that you’ll be sincere and truthful, but I saw NO sincerity, and the only truth to what you said, may be in your own feelings and attitude toward women.
As far as your statement about people being repelled by you, it’s pretty easy to see why. Before making generalizations about others maybe you need to take a hard look at yourself!
She accused of exactly what you did! And your explanation was not at all objective.
If you are in fact a studied and practicing psychotherapist, I am actually shocked that you would see fit to have provided such a response to copycat, then defended your position repeatedly!
Pleas point out where in your original post you said that you didn’t know her and she can surely be a beauty inside or outside, because I surely saw no such comment!
And nobody has said anything that remotely resembles being politically correct or misinterpreted you. You post is very clear and concise and not a lot of room for interpretation. We have spoken out to say that your post was offensive and uncalled for, and rather than apologizing, you continue to defend yourself and strike out at others.
Keep experimenting till you find a product or a combination that you like.
but geeze can you be a little bit more sensitive when you speak. You could make a woman feel even worse with that awful kind of response. If you don’t have anything nice to say, then please, keep your gorgeous mouth shut, thank you.