Okay, so I have been dating this girl for a few weeks now. I kissed her, but haven’t heard back from her since. I guess she doesn’t like me as much as I hoped… In the past,the best way to get out of a friend zone was to ignore the girl that just doesn’t seem too into you, and then go meet other girls. Very frequently, the girls that only wanted to be friends change their minds, after they realize they miss something and I am actually a HIGH VALUE to them. Too bad, I will be VERY VERY busy for next few months.
Too bad, I will be VERY VERY busy for next few months. I won’t have chance to meet new girls and have to settle with what I got… Any thoughts how I can break through in this type of situation? It sucks, because she is the only one you have in your life- well, I have other girl friends, but I don;t like them more than that… Only if I weren’t so busy and can go out and meet girls … I feel trapped, because I can’t do much about the situation. Either ignore my duty and possibly risk losing what I do… That just won’t happen, lol… Any suggestion on breaking this cycle? Ignore the girl and not see anyone for a few months?
I haven’t used much phero around her (~50% of the times I met up with her); From now, I will go with 1xTUTH, 1xAMMO, 1.5x IS, and 2x IH … Let yall know how this helps
do you mean u havent contacted her or she hasnt contacted you after the time you saw her and kissed her?
how was the mood straight after you kissed her?
ive always found that if im genuinely interested in a girl (which you seem to be in this one) you need to make sure they know that what happened (the kiss) was ok. i always send a girl a msg after seeing her saying thanks for a fun nite etc. i keep it simple but it lets her know that i wasnt just using her and that i think shes special. i think guys tend to ‘play’ to hard sometimes. if u havent made any effort to contact her then i think you need too- otherwise shel feel u used her and u wont even be lucky enough to be in the friend zone. i know u mean to play it cool but once uv hooked up with a girl the ball is kinda in your court- its just the way it goes.
if she kissed u then she clearly finds u attractive or desirable- u dont need to keep playing the game so hard!
send her a message, dont mention the kiss, tell her youd love to catch up soon and suggest a time and place. good luck man!
well, I did leave her a message, so I will wait and see. If things don’t work out the way I hoped… well… I guess it would suck, but it is okay. I have had it a lot worst, haha. This is really nothing. I will get back to using mones and trying to go after other girls after I am done with my EXTREMELY essential project; I got ~ two more months to go…
Once, when I was younger, when I was doign ROTC and other Army stuff, I was stationed in this remote area with a very small population of soldiers and civilians. Even worst, over 90% of the females were engaged or married, haha… An attractive single girl, let alone pretty decent, was a rare commodity at that time. Anyways, I got to know this one girl in my platoon, and I fell for her. She was okay. I say around 7.5 to maybe even 8, when she is fully dresses.
I did everything I could for her at that time and she was close to me. However, she would never let it get past friendship. One day, this other guy I knew, out of loneliness (I say this because he had a gf back home) he just came and asked her out for a dinner and then made her his girlfriend for next 3 to 4 months. How do you think I felt stuck in a remote, tasked area seeing this guy going over to her tent every night… I tried to convince her a lot more than he ever did, but whatevers… in the end, after our task was done and we got back home, they broke up. I knew she wanted to re-establish her contact with me but I didn’t even bother contacting her anymore. I saw her a few more times, because of the after task meetings and stuff, but outside the meetings, I didn’t even bother talking to her. Even if was going to give it up, I wouldn’t take it. I have other options when more girls are around
I had no choice but had to go through that because of the circumstance. However, I got over it and it only made me stronger and have thicker skin…
Thanks for sharing that. Sometimes other users on here make me believe that they didn’t have any pitfalls with the opposite sex/ other social circumstances. We’re only as solid a person as the experiences we face and go through.
Same thing goes out to mikoto as well. I lost my pop when I was 15 and being socially inept for quite a long time he never really showed me the ropes when it came to girls thinking I’d know better or learn on my own. Only through finally seeing my fallacy of concept and situation of being a man and being a man with a women have I learned the steps to become the person I want to be. Life is a challenge we never stop conquering yet we should relish in that fact for the very fear of mediocrity that comes with a state of no perceived aspirations to shoot for.
My father’s death was extremely hard on me and only after last year have I truly come to grips with it more. As much I don’t like to say it I look to my parents for direction even though I disagree and bicker with them more than anyone would ever want to know.
A lot of good, deep, conversations here so I’ll just add my 2 cents.
I’ve escaped the friend zone once, and it was last year with my ex. I asked her upfront if we could be more than friends however she turned me down.
So I just continued on, (I still hung out with her, and some other friends) but I didn’t give the situation any more thought. I just continued to bombard her with A314, TAC, Meo-EST and also some good old MX302 along with a bunch of other stuff as well as my own personality.
I did this for around 2 months and finally after a long texting convo she told me to ask her out again, and this time she accepted.
Of course this was last semester, and since then a LOT has happened to me since then and I’m in a “soul searching” state right now however from my experience A314 and some socials (Instant Honesty in particular) are great ways of breaking the friend zone barrier along with some A1.
Yeah, i like this conversation. I think the world of pick-up 1st attracted me to it because my father was never there to show me the ropes.
I feel ya. My mom divorced my father when I was born, so I never had one. I was raised with only a mother and frankly once I hit adulthood I realized my ineptness with women was a symptom of this.
I took a few years, of doing things like Men’s meeting, real social dynamics programs and other programs to realize I needed to thank him for that really, cause him not being there taught me the greatest lesson of my life: That a little boy needs a father.
well, got a call back and have a dinner appointment tonight. Should I go with AMMO and IS or IH or A314? She already thinks of me as HIGH VALUE, so I don’t know A314 would make her intimidated and make her disappear (What I mean by is that she will get shy and will play hard to get for next 3 months) I guess AMMO would be a better choice … or IG
This is why I think A314 isn’t good for most guys, esp those that use pheros to QUCIKLY hook girls and try to have sex with them. Yes, you might get ur targetgirl, but it will be A LOT harder, since they think of you as a long term prospect rathetr than their immediate boyfriends. Maybe, if you REALLY love the girl and hope to marry her or something, but otherwise all that effort and toying around is not that interesting
If you like ur girl playing games with you and tease you, go ahead and get her to think you are out of her league. Some guys actually do like the challenge, but girls themselves are challenge already, unless you are THE MAN like Barrack Obama
Good description of her demeanor, age, what shes like and maybe even her birthday can help in this situation in terms of what we could offer advice wise. I still think that Ammo + IS in most situations is a staple to be reckoned with and can’t really go wrong with it.
that is what most guys make a mistake. Being hot alone doesn’t cut it. Above 9 , in my opinion, is someone who is sexy, classy, well-educated, modest and kind-hearted. Yeah, I said it: Look alone doesn;t mean jack. Unless a girl has all other things going for herself, she still isn’t all that. Plus, those that lack other qualities besides look still tend to have a bit of low self-esteem - just not as much as less attractive ones
Normally, I wouldn’t consider myself an A314 man. I say more like an IG man: I get respected by young and old; very friendly and kind to most people; also, people think of me as chill and cool; girls think of me as high value and classy and good-looking. I am not bossy or alpha be-the-leader type of guy. Not mysterious or power-needy. That is why something like AMMO probably complements me really well
I think that is where most guys make a huge mistake. Don’t think highly of a girl just because she is hot! Being hot alone doesn’t cut it. Above 9 , in my opinion, is someone who is sexy, classy, well-educated, modest and kind-hearted. Yeah, I said it: Look alone doesn;t mean jack. Unless a girl has all other things going for herself, she still isn’t all that. Plus, those that lack other qualities besides look still tend to have a bit of low self-esteem - just not as much as less attractive ones
Normally, I wouldn’t consider myself an A314 man. I say more like an IG man: I get respected by young and old; very friendly and kind to most people; also, people think of me as chill and cool; girls think of me as high value and classy and good-looking. I am not bossy or alpha be-the-leader type of guy. Not mysterious or power-needy. That is why something like AMMO probably complements me really well
P.S. my dinner with her went great. I used 1x IH + 1x IS + 2.5x AMMO + 0.5 TUTH. A great deep conversation. I had kino escalating and we were watching a movie together. However, she had to leave early so I couldn’t go all the way Well, at least she said dinner next week at her place
Hey, don’t forget to throw in IH with your friend, with anone products. It makes them feel connected physically AND emotionally==> arousal at a deeper level = good thing Use 1x AMMO and 1x TUTH with 1x IS and 1xIH. I get various DEEP arousal and interest from many girls with IH and IS thrown in
Hey Cool, How you doin?, soo you remember eh? I’ll definitely try that, but going to have to use half a spray of TUTH since I got the 2x lol. I’ll definitely try it Looking for a moment when I’m alone with her you know Shouldn’t matter though if there is another friend (a guy) with her though should it?
Yep yep, nah it’s not that though lol, long story, we’ve been close on( for the most part) and off. Lately i’ve been taking it lightly, trying to atleast, it’s just that attraction I want which is the hardest thing. The only way possible is while I get close (which I certainly don’t see or want happening right now), or over time by raising my value (thanks rad + everyone) and then come out as a whole new me visibly and emotionally. Sounds complicated but I hope the TUTH + IH can make some change. As summer comes, I will be seeing less of her, well planning on it because as it is I see her max 2-3 times because of college. Hoping to before end of college, a couple times get in a proper mix with the use of TUTH
Also, have A1 + a314, so if you want to recommend something with those to consider If not, I’m definitely taking advantage of the other combo you told me
well, I texted her a few times, and she said she works late now, and so, she doesn’t know when we can hang out again. I don’t know. She might be playing hard to get or re-thinking about everything. She wrote back soemthing like: “Thanks for thinking of me. I really have a lot of stuff to take care of you at work at this time. see you around.”
I will see what happens. I don’t know what went wrong, but maybe I should have been agressive instead of trying to kino her? haha. Oh well. My heart has already pretty much left her more than half way, so anything good comes out of it would be a bonus. I am not putting much hope into this at all.
I won’t have chance to meet new girls and have to settle with what I got… Any thoughts how I can break through in this type of situation? It sucks, because she is the only one you have in your life- well, I have other girl friends, but I don;t like them more than that… Only if I weren’t so busy and can go out and meet girls … I feel trapped, because I can’t do much about the situation. Either ignore my duty and possibly risk losing what I do… That just won’t happen, lol… Any suggestion on breaking this cycle? Ignore the girl and not see anyone for a few months?
Well, at least she said dinner next week at her place 
If not, I’m definitely taking advantage of the other combo you told me